If you are not a Native American, you're an 'Anchor Baby' (the decendent of an illegal alien)!

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posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
 


OP - You said it yourself that because native americans did not have any immigration control system in place, their way of life was destroyed, by immigrants.

I say lets learn from the past and do not let immigration threaten our way of life.


So immigration threatens your way of life? Talk of a White supremacist getting out of the closet, finally... Busted!

The point of this thread is that YOU are the descent of immigrants. Your people, the great White superior Americans that you think they are, are NOT FROM HERE. You came, you invaded, you imposed your "way of life", whatever that is, and now pretend to be a rightful owner of this land, excluding anybody else that is not "White" and doesn't commonly speaks English.

You have NO right to this land. People like you are barbarians, criminals and only deserve to lose all of your rights and freedoms and be kicked back to Europe... because you do NOT respect the land, as well as the people who were there thousands of years before you and your few generations of ancestors.

And remember that YOU are here, because the Natives were fair enough to allow your dirty, ignorant ancestors to live here. They could have wiped them all, but they were enough civilized to let them come and impose their crappy, disconnected way of life here. This is the only reason why could be born here, and be granted de facto, without any damn effort on your part, this irrevocable American citizenship that immigrants have to fight for obtaining.



[edit on 27/1/10 by Echtelion]




posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Did the Native Americans have a flag?



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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reply to post by mamabeth
 


but the problem is we haven't learned anything from our past, it's the same sh*t different toilet.

If you haven't seen that movie avatar you should give it a look because that is where the human race on this planet is at.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
So the next time you are whining about the damn 'illegal aliens', I suggest you go look in a mirror, and unless a Native American face is staring back at you, remember that you are the decendant of an 'illegal alien' (none of us were 'invited').


True, but it doesn't answer the very real, present, and negative nature of illegal immigration. Your whole O.P. has great points, but it's mainly hyperbole. It really doesn't answer much more than "Europeans did bad things...we're all "illegals"...feel some guilt over guys doing things hundreds of years ago(?)...."

I agree, we are all "Aliens" in some respect.

But that doesn't answer or explain much. You could very well say that unless we are all of African descent, and more specifically Ivory Coast African descent, we're ALL illegal aliens. I could say , like your hyperbole does, "If a black man isn't staring back in the mirror, you have no right to complain".

That's what is wrong with any form of cultural or ethnic "identity". It's meaningless. My "forefathers", my race, my color, my heritage, and all the other crap, has NOTHING to do with reality. It is used to divide and blur lines and it's all subjective or relative.

Being "white" or of European descent should not make me feel special, just as it DOES NOT MAKE ME FEEL GUILT. You say the "white man" destroyed this country. Well, yeah, and many Asians, Africans, Hispanic, Caucasian, destroyed their lands and others too.

People destroy things. Destruction isn't a "white man" trait. But many of those decisions by "white guys" were made for profit , under plots and devices that most of us wouldn't dream of employing. If you took most people that I personally know, and bought them back in a time machine to the 1400's, there would be no way they would do what "forefathers" did.

But hindsight is always 20/20.

Illegal Immigration is a problem happening within a PRESENT day nation. Yes the circumstances of how this country came about are full of murderous intention, thieving, genocide, and the like. We all know this. And nobody here would condone it (I don't think).

But these arguments don't address anything with the present. Illegal Immigration is aiding to the downfall of this country socially(in certain places) and economically. It's an overall negative effect scenario. It's an issue that can only be argued in the present.

Emotional appeals about past horrors done to people and all the "white man" mumbo jumbo....says nothing. Problems require solutions, not blame or finger pointing.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Jsmallz
reply to post by mamabeth
 


but the problem is we haven't learned anything from our past, it's the same sh*t different toilet.

If you haven't seen that movie avatar you should give it a look because that is where the human race on this planet is at.


The human race is full of mostly well meaning, "good" people. It's that we have parasites and vampires among us that are ruining everything for the rest of us. They are the true decision makers, the power elite, the ruling class. They need to be dealt with once and for all.

The human race can be saved with the annihilation of those certain forces I feel.

I personally condone the eradication of all their power or the halting all of their activity that makes most of humanity suffer.

Humans will thrive and be "human' again, once we rid ourselves of the Sociopaths.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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Im still waiting OP. My offer still stands. If your so sick of living in this horrible garbage heap contact me and ill get you a one way ticket out.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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How can we be called illegal aliens if we move to a different country? Because we crossed a line thats drawn on some map? Every great country has been built by migration of hard working people that poured their blood, sweat and tears into that country and gave it all they got to make it what it is today, personally i think that migration should be supported because that is how countries grow, i hope in the future we can all live side by side in peace, and the only illegal aliens will be those coming from space. xD



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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Its funny how all the people that say we should have no borders would get mad if they saw somebody camping in there back yard. Guess what, you set up your own borders when you got a house. Stop preaching about open borders until you tear down your walls and fences around your house and allow anybody to live on your property.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
All of this 'Illegal Alien' crap gets on my nerves at times. Too many self-rightous, pompous jack-holes like to hop up on their soapboxes and rant and rave about how the illegal aliens are ruining this country! Well, I happen to agree, but not in the way that you may think. It is the 'White Man' who has ruined this country after stealing it away from those to whom it belonged, the Native Americans. We took this country away from the proud peoples who inhabited it for thousands of years, with nothing but respect for the land, and within just a few hundred years have turned it into a giant garbage heap, while relegating the heavily culled native population to small, crappy 'reservations', which were placed in areas that we didn't want.

On the bright side, since we told them that these 'reservations' were their 'sovern land', they have recently figured out a way to strip us of the one thing that we cherish the most, money. Good for you!!!

So the next time you are whining about the damn 'illegal aliens', I suggest you go look in a mirror, and unless a Native American face is staring back at you, remember that you are the decendant of an 'illegal alien' (none of us were 'invited').


the white man ruined the country?

If I may, there would be NO USA without white people.

This irritates me more than those who go on about illegal immigrants.

Do you pay taxes? If you did, and were mindful of it, you would agree that illegal immigration is a huge problem that is effecting every american both native, white, black, hispanic or purple.

looking to live in the past is folly and ridiculous, it's not going to happen, get over it.

Need I remind you that it was white people who passed laws that abolished slavery? IN Europe and in America. And who now carries out slave trade? Africans, Asians and Middle Easterners. That's who.

You can say "well the founding father had slaves" to which I would retort, so what, did your dad have em?

Tr to understand generational shift. Try to understand the whole concept of conquering, assimilation and empire building that took place hundreds of years ago and that has been diminished ever since.

Hating on white people is plain stupid and only distracts from real issues.

shame on you.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Bahhh, you just took my thunder, lol. I was just about to say, hey OP, why don't you take the history back further instead of acting like history started when Christian Europe started exploring westward. Because the fact is, the "Native American" immigrated here themselves. They took the land from the innocent animals, using their skins and bones for their own purposes. I'm sure they even hunted a few species to extinction.

I feel bad for "Native American", I do. Especially when it comes to my views on the ancient histories of humans on this planet which include the fact that the "Native" type of humans, including native american, aztecs, mayans, samoans, inuites, possibly even the aboriginals, and some other islander types are the only humans that evoled naturally on this planet.

But we can't change the fact that our "wardens" chose this planet as their/our prison planet. And we prisoners made rules just like what happens in our prisons here. And the rules currently are: we have an economy. People pay into that economy to get things out of it like welfare if they need it, a certain amount of health care, stuff like that. What we now call "Illegal Aliens", are breaking the rules of the prison. They are taking all the things the rest of us are paying for without paying their dues. And not only that, but they're stealing the money out of our prison's economy and bringing it over to another prison. And that's without getting into all the other "prison laws" they're breaking. Killongs, kidnappings, rape, the list goes on.

It's time for some "prison justice" imo. I'd give then 3 options. Pay the dues, get out, or die. It may sound harsh, but I don't care. The prison's too over-populated anyway. And all their sympathisers can go with them, because they are just as bad, maybe even worse, since they're traitors. Prison justice isn't pretty for traitors.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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Immigration is supported. When its done right. You cant just open the door and allow everybody in. Unless you want the U.S. to be destroyed. I 100% guarantee that if the doors were opened and it was a free for all you would be crying to close the borders before long. Like I said, most people that want a free for all open borders arent effected by it on a day to day basis, they live in a gated community with private patrol. Lets say tomorrow the borders were opened and anybody could come. Our country would turn into iraq x10 mexico x10 basicly add up all the 3rd world countries and that would be us.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:04 PM
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Hm... tell me, where exactly am I being racist, or white supremacist, or whatever?

I have all the right to land that I was born in, because it is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT if my ancestors conquered it from someone. I am not my ancestors, I am ME.

That immigration affects our way of life is a fact. We, inhabitants of our country, have the right to control who can live here. SEE? I used the word inhabitants, not whites, blacks, pink... Where is any racism in that?




They could have wiped them all, but they were enough civilized to let them come and impose their crappy, disconnected way of life here.


Yes, and they PAYED for this. I dont want it to happen again, this time with us in the role of native americans.

[edit on 27-1-2010 by Maslo]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
All of this 'Illegal Alien' crap gets on my nerves at times. Too many self-rightous, pompous jack-holes like to hop up on their soapboxes and rant and rave about how the illegal aliens are ruining this country! Well, I happen to agree, but not in the way that you may think. It is the 'White Man' who has ruined this country after stealing it away from those to whom it belonged, the Native Americans. We took this country away from the proud peoples who inhabited it for thousands of years, with nothing but respect for the land, and within just a few hundred years have turned it into a giant garbage heap, while relegating the heavily culled native population to small, crappy 'reservations', which were placed in areas that we didn't want.

On the bright side, since we told them that these 'reservations' were their 'sovern land', they have recently figured out a way to strip us of the one thing that we cherish the most, money. Good for you!!!

So the next time you are whining about the damn 'illegal aliens', I suggest you go look in a mirror, and unless a Native American face is staring back at you, remember that you are the decendant of an 'illegal alien' (none of us were 'invited').


These diatribes sicken me. The native American Indians of a 150 years ago and before had practically no medicine, little written language, stone-age weapons, no large scale culture, hugh infant and mother mortality rates, tribes warred incessantly with neighbors long before the whites ever got here, sold lands to who ever had cheap whisky or fancy metal pots, ate grubs, prickly pear cactus, pine nuts, deer intestine, and a bunch of other crappy stuff, walked around naked, found bathing abhorrent, had no capacity to care for infants born with defects, and made few perminent dwellings....etc,etc,etc. Many tribes tried to enlist the whites to help fight neighboring antagonists.

I figure the native American lived a pretty screwed up and repressed life for thousands of years. They sure didnt mind adopting many of the inventions brought by white settlers; guns, metal knives, clothing, blankets, glass ware, and hundres of other items which made their lives easier and safer. Their religion certainly didn't help curb the use of strong drink or prevent the culture from breeding with whites.

The aboriginal Americans were a stagnant and ignorant race. Western culture did nothing but offer an increase of awareness and opportunity. Tribal chieftains felt threatened of loosing their power and prestige, and thus prevented their people from being lifted gently out of the stone age.

Dont't get me wrong, some of the whites were not exactly benevolent, but there were many more who merely wanted to help the native indians improve on their way of life. It's too bad that no one had the power to predict the devistation initally caused by european diseases.

I've visted a few indian reservations in the western states and found many to be filthy, and filled with under-educated inhabitants who live on welfare or casino handouts. I also lived in alaska for 10 years where I found native villages in absolute decrepit shape. Thousands of native Alaskan parents use their children's perminent fund and native corporation checks to get drunk for weeks at a time. Although they demand traditional hunting and fishing rights, you wont find any natives hunting polar bears with whale bone jaws, or fishing the arctic seas in skin boats. No native hunts without a rifle, 4-wheeler, or snow machine

I'm a bit tired of white bashing. We are not perfect, but rather then drag down society many of us take a bath about every day. We try to do something better with our lives each time the sun comes up rather then wallow in self pitty. Other races as well cant seem to appreciate latter day white generations who have done nothing but accomodate a bunch of lazy 4th generation welfare families

[edit on 27-1-2010 by regretable]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


This thread seems slightly familiar, lol.

Taking a little thunder and a few stars aye, do it to it.


.... Fortunately for me, .... as you can plainly see by my pic. I am 100% Native American. Get off my land !!


You got your ass kick. Deal with it.

And, I thought American Indians did not own land per say, they just took care of it. So, how can that be YOUR land.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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Nobody stole anything, this country exists because God wanted it that way, Manifest Destiny. If you don't believe in God, then I submit that "White" people obviously evolved faster to create and use higher forms of everything over "Native Americans," and we took this country by survival of the fittest, Evolution.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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I'm so sick of this argument... it's the height of effing ignorance.

Native Americans are "immigrants" too.

No civilization today, is the same as it has been forever.. The Irish are not the Irish of 3,000 years ago. The British are not the Gaelic peoples they were 3,000 years ago. Blah blah blah.

Native Americans mostly existed in warrior societies in perpetual warfare amongst each other, meaning that no one land was occupied by the same group forever.

There is evidence that pre-historic people are not the ancestors of Native Americans, that Native came in several groups throughout history.

so on and so forth.

I happen to be the descendant of Irish immigrants. They came on a boat, in the 1800's and 1900's ... they immigrated LEGALLY. Long after the "tragedy" of Native Americans.

We cannot look to the past and say "well they did it so can I" ... It used to be legal to rape a woman. Should I start now?
Slavery existed during the time of the Indians as well... maybe we should bring that back too. Wow, isn't this logic fun!



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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This thread is a worthwhile read, as I believe it effectively debunks the OP's premise.

I am not an American, but I sympathise with the situation and want the country to prosper. I mainly posted because I felt that tone in the OP's post, that tone of pure white guilt. And it makes me upset to hear people talk like that, as it is based on lies. Anyone who educates themselves independently of the mainstream education or media, will see this, that is what I believe.
I just want the hate to stop, including the self hate.

To the OP, I hope you can change the way you feel about the past. The US is a gift to you from your forefathers, and so is the comfort you enjoy.

Be grateful to them, they did it for you. They were good people who came from overcrowded slums or other such places for a better life, and they earnt it in the biggest possible way.

Im sure Indians were killed, and no one deserves that, but people kill eachother for land, animals kill eachother for territory, and we do that on a bigger scale. They were not killed for a laugh, it was war. One of the sides had to lose.

As for immigrants, I do sympathise with them, but letting them all come in, or letting them abuse the system benefits no one. They need to improve their own country, and by all means we should help them with that. But if the US just tries to absorb third world countries, it will become one.

If you don't like America then you can get out! (jokes)

[edit on 27-1-2010 by asd10]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

So the next time you are whining about the damn 'illegal aliens', I suggest you go look in a mirror, and unless a Native American face is staring back at you, remember that you are the decendant of an 'illegal alien' (none of us were 'invited').


Right back at you:

Tell us all exactly which laws (native American or otherwise) were violated when our ancestors came here?

Oh, so there were no laws violated?

But there are laws being violated now by illegal aliens.

Then get off your high horse and spend the time figuring out how to deal with the illegal alien problems we are actually facing.


[edit on 1/27/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Apparently the OP missed the little memo about our country being overpopulated. Perhaps the OP missed the other memo about how unsecured our borders are and how dangerous it is to have illegals here if they don't have the best intentions.

If you want to get into a country, do it legally. There is no argument here, only logic.

Yes, we are an immigrant nation, with rules.


[edit on 27-1-2010 by GorehoundLarry]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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Indians were not just sitting around North America chillin. They were fighting for land, taking slaves and killing each other. The Europeans came to America and just did it better. Don’t hate the playa hate the game.






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