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If you are not a Native American, you're an 'Anchor Baby' (the decendent of an illegal alien)!

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posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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reply to post by JaxonRoberts
 


You are an idiot who knows nothing about history.

The white man created the nation of the United States and made it great.

The ancestors of the Mexicans, stole Mexico from the natives, a land of tremendous resources, and screwed it all up, and somehow white peole are to blame?

I don't know if you are a shrill for the powers that be, or just another a-hole racist, but one thing is clear, people like you are now starting to piss off even liberals like me.

It is becoming very evident that no good deed goes unpunished.




posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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Sometimes i like my native American lineage.

although its like 1/16th Cherokee, would that still make me an anchor baby?

0o



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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Both of my grandmothers were native american and my grandfathers were swede and german and the illegal situation still ticks me off. Its not all the illegals fault however. Its a huge internal one. Its the fault of a government allowing it and its mainly the fault of employers who hire illegals to do the jobs for pay that isn't a living wage. So as irritated as I am about illegals who are just basicaly taking advantage of a situation, I have to refocus my anger on greedy people who want to keep as much profit as possible but pay those that actualy work nothing. That's why illegals drive crap cars with no insurance and have to live 20 to a home. Its difficult for an american to accept aq job that use to pay 18 dollars an hour back inthe 70's and now pays only 10. That job is construction.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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I agree with most of your main argument. However, don't forget that all immigrants are not white. There are plenty of Caucasians that would like a slice of the American dream. I am an American myself, but you have to remember that it was the British empire who did this to the native Americans. In turn for our mistakes, we let them operate casinos tax free.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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To be technical, I'm not an illegal alien (or the offspring of) in American Society because I was born AFTER this country was legally established. According to Native American Society or Law (which I think should have more say in our political realm), though, we are illegal.

So legally speaking and technically I am not an illegal alien since the country I was born in is a legal country. Illegal aliens from other countries who come here AGAINST OUR LAWS are illegal because they broke our laws. When my ancestors came here 200 years ago, there were no laws that regulated immigration (in fact, there was no soverign country), so we were not here illegally to start with. Sure we wrongfully took over the Native Americans' land, but since they had not created a soverign, legal country, we were here legally to begin with.

So no, I'm not the child of an illegal alien. Sorry.


I'm legal


[edit on 27-1-2010 by Jibblin]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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If you want to fight back against the racists who hate white people, go to this site, sign up, and start sending letters to your government representatives.

www.numbersusa.com...

I am sick of all these racist attacks about what my ancestors supposedly did, especially when they mainly come from people whose ancestors did worse.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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Native Americans in the U.S. got the kid gloves treatment compared to the way the Spanish treated the Native Americans in S. America.

The Spanish enslaved the Native Americans and worked them to death, exterminating large populations.

These racists spouting about what early Americans did don't have a moral leg to stand on.

At least in the U.S. we gave the Natives a chance to compete, which many of them took and succeeded quite well.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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It's fashionable to bash the "white man" nowadays.

But being that this country is mostly white and most of the business/commerce, I would like to see ANY one of us survive if the "white man" fails.

White man fails= We all fail

And how I'M to blame for some crap that a 'forefather' did 400 years ago, is beyond me.

What if around that time my forefathers were hiding in some stupid shack in the woods with no care about the outside world. Has their been a study to prove which of us come from "murderous" families? No!



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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Not sure if it's been said on this thread before, but wouldn't stricter laws against business owners and their companies fix a big part of the problem? Harsh sentences with jail time perhaps?

I'd love to live in western Europe but I can't because I wouldn't be able to get a job.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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I live in the city. I notice lately that there is a hatred/anger towards white people more every day. I see it.

Bad economies don't help at all either. When stuff goes south, "minorities" start looking toward the "white man" , or any one of European descent like we're the enemy. Like we all live lives of privilege and we all have power.

Also, there is a lot of people lately making me feel like I should be ashamed of being white. Well, while I'm not proud(because racial pride is silly) ...I'll be damned if I feel guilt or shame for anything.



[edit on 27-1-2010 by Prove_It_NOW]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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The argument that *we* (those whose ancestors came over on a boat) are all "anchor babies" is emotionally flawed. Rather then think, you decide that history is not about an aggregate of past events. Any argument stating that "you're an anchor baby" is lost once you bring past events into play.

Wars with the Indians.
Wars with the Mexicans.
Wars in the Caribbean.
Claiming of territories.
Defeat comes with a price.

None of the people who lost the wars were happy about it, but they must accept it. It is how the past has defined the present and future. The original poster must forget that boundaries have been formed and even Mexico knows where that boundary is, as international treaties stipulate.

This is NOT just happening in the United States. People in UK, France, Germany are being bombarded by people entering their country and taking advantage of their socialized systems. These people are not only from Eastern European countries, but Middle Eastern and Asian countries also. With so many of these foreigners entering these countries, a shift occurs, creating "compassionate" policymakers and thinkers.

Compassion *is* the problem and existing laws are not being enforced to a certain extent. In some cases it is, but most of the time it isn't. Just recently, Schwarzenegger has said he would like to send the "illegal" prison members back to Mexico. What's the reaction of the "compassionate" crowd? Thinking is lost once people try to play on your emotions. It's the same with many other arguments:

What about the children?
Health care is a right because people are sick.
Those people have $40k in debt and we need to stop the bank.
Just insert any red herring here.

Policymakers are meant to be thinkers, not emotional. Emotional politics creates entitlements and votes and that is why many take that route.

Don't be dumb any longer. Start thinking over your emotions.

[edit on 27-1-2010 by Buckwylds]



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:14 PM
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There's a flaw in your logic.

By celebrating the condemnation of our past as 'illegal immigrants,' you are endorsing the condemnation of illegal immigrants today.


You're essentially making the same error of judgement criticized in the OP by claiming 'good immigrants' and 'bad immigrants.'



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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God, seriously. Just read everything that has been said so far.

This is why there needs to be some kind of disaster or some kind of shift worldwide if everyone's to work together. I'm getting sick of the division. Yeah, we're all entitled to opinions but geez. This argument will never ever get solved unless something happens that brings the people together.

Look at what we're doing with our so-called "advanced thinking". Sure, we might be sending rockets to space but we can't even get along with each other so what is the goddamn point to all of this, huh?



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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reply to post by JaxonRobertsEven the native americans were from somewhere else! They just got here before we did, so there is really no one that can say their family has the right to be here. No more than anyone else that is.
 



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:25 PM
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Need I say more, they lost their nation!



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:31 PM
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I am proud to be white! Thats right folks im 100% proud to be white. Im proud of my overall history. Im proud of my dad, my grandpa, my great grandpa, and everyone before that. And NO im not racist. Just because a white guy is proud to be white does not mean he's a racist. Stop bringing up stuff that happened 200+ years ago. I do not apologize for anything my ancestors did... you know why? Because I cant! I wasn't alive, I will not apologize for something I had no say in or no control over. Get over it. Oh and by the way... Native Americans arent native Americans, they migrated here just like everybody else did.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Ah so this means I guess that every US citizen should just leave this country then because our first European settlers came here "illegally"? According to who? But wait the "Native Americans" also came to the North American continent from Asia via the landbridge from Russia to Alaska. So they have no right to complain either. Then I suppose we should keep backtracking till we all go back to that first upright humanoid who wandered away from Africa millions of years ago and settled in Asia, Europe, etc. So if you want to go down this absurd slippery slope, then by God EVERYONE on this planet who is not living in Africa is an "illegal alien". Sorry but this is just absurd.

My family immigrated here legally from Europe, so no, I am not an "Anchor baby". And neither they, nor I, like it when people come here ILLEGALLY and break all the ESTABLISHED laws to take advantage of OUR system to take for themselves what does not belong, unless they did it the right way, like millions of others.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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reply to post by ll__raine__ll Name a country that the same isn't true, all other countries have done at one point or another the same thing. This is what all of our history is about, the stronger will prevail. I doubt most any people really know where they came from!
 



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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So if Americans go to Mexico to get jobs, doesn't that sort of make the problem worse in creating even more economic refugees who will come north to find a way to feed their families?

I'm a Caucasian of European descent but it's a little difficult to be proud of it, since I had little to say about it. I'd prefer to save whatever pride I'm entitled to for things I've actually accomplished. Being born a white American is an accident of birth, not a personal achievement.





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