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Originally posted by D377MC
... evidence to refute liars.
... I guess they can stick with incompetent idiots then.
And of course, yet no answer regarding the legendary 6,000,000. I guess that's why they hire inadequate individuals in the first place - they are never meant to get involved in scholarly debate. It does make sense, although I'm sure I can build a pretty convincing case on the need for you guys to raise your game.
Why? Why does it matter if less than 6 million jews died?
First of all, for the very reason that for decades the number of victims has been regarded as sacred. If the number of victims did not matter, there would be no reason for making it a taboo or even go so far as to protect it by laws, as it happens in several European nations. Apparently, there is more behind this figure of six million than just the sum of the individual fates of the people involved. It has become a symbol which must not be abandoned, because any justified doubts about this number would quickly lead to more undesirable questions into other aspects of the Holocaust. It is absolutely dumbfounding that, on the one hand, anyone who questions this figure of 6 million victims is made an intellectual outcast or will even suffer legal persecution, whereas, on the other hand, whenever valid arguments against this figure are raised, society and even judges will sound a retreat, claiming that precise figures are not the point and insisting on the criminal character of even a single victim. Is this figure of six million a legal yardstick or is it of no importance? It cannot be both.
If historians are ostracized or even prosecuted because their findings or even the questions they set out to answer are regarded as immoral, we cannot but assume that the results of such a distorted way of writing history will be unreliable. And because our view of history has a direct effect on the policies of those who govern us, a distorted historical perspective will lead to distorted policies. It is the fundamental task and the main responsibility of any kind of science to produce reliable results and data. Principles that have been established for the field of science and technology cannot be thrown overboard when the science of history is concerned – unless we are ready to return intellectually to the dark periods of the Middle Ages. Finally, the morally justified argument that one victim is one victim too many cannot be used to prevent the examination of a crime, in particular if this crime is claimed to be unique in its moral aberration. An allegedly unique crime must, in fact, be open to the detailed analysis of what actually did happen in a way that is applicable to any crime. I will even go one step further: anyone postulating the uniqueness of a crime must also accept a uniquely deep analysis of the alleged crime, before the uniqueness can be accepted. If, however, one were to surround this allegedly unique crime with a protective shield of moral indignation, one would ipso facto commit a unique crime, namely the denial of any defense against such monstrous accusations.
No one can refute your research.
The documents, testimonies, piles of corpses, photos - all faked.
I've seen pictures of old tattered shoes, millions of shoes, shoes piled high and laid out across an unbelievable amount of space.
I'm sorry but when people are accusing you of lying about one of the worst things to happen to you since Toquemata you get very sensitive about the issue.
Do you want to know what is truly disgusting?
Why does it matter if less than 6 million jews died?
What really drives you?
Why are you so hellbent on proving this notion that somehow the jews are this corrupt group of people who are purposely making up a genocide?
If the truth really was on your side, if this was a fact as you say it is, then why in the hell did they even bother to bring it to attention?
Why is it that thousands of jews, US SOLDIERS, russian soldiers and THE GERMANS THEMSELVES admit that 6 million of us jews and six million non jews were destroyed?
Is it because of some scary zionist plot?
I got news for you, the holocaust happened and millions of innocent people from all races and faiths were destroyed.
Yet irrational closet neo-nazis such as yourself insist that history needs to be revised.
Let's say that the numbers are exaggerated only a few hundred thousand jews were killed. The mere fact that you want to rewrite history in order to make the nazis look like innocent aggressors is disgusting in itself.
Hitler was a #ing madman, he was bat# insane without anti-semitism, he wanted to conquest the entire planet, yet people like you would have us believe that he was somehow an innocent pawn in a far greater globalist agenda.
Originally posted by neformore
You quoted a post where Beancounter72 said this
Keep in mind that Auschwitz and other camps in eastern europe fell within the soviet zone of occupation and therefore they had ample opportunity to fabricate evidence such as the alleged gas chamber at auschwitz.
and replied with
Indicating that you believe the Soviets perpetuated a myth, and that you agreed with Beancounter72's assessment in denying the holocaust.
So I provide you with a link to an telegram intercepted and decoded by British Intelligence in WW2
Giving the figures, and total number, in regard to Operation Reinhard
And you want to try and hide behind a secondary point about Stalin - an obvious one by the way because every allied power was gunning for Berlin.
Originally posted by dww25
I beg to differ and your rationale is akin to calling the kettle black. The Israelis are stealing land and isolating the Palestinian population - they are creating illegal kibutz.
Originally posted by dww25
Secondly, the terrorist organisations to which you refer are not necessarily perceived as that by the Palestinian population - in fact they could be considered as patriots in Palestine and the Arab world.
Originally posted by dww25
Israel was born out of terrorism post 2nd World War just ask UK forces who were subjected to terrorism in that period prior to the creation of the state. Since its formation which was sponsored by the USA to de-stabilise the Middle East and give them a surragate power broker it has been the common denominator in most Middle East conflagrations - FACT.
Originally posted by ancient_wisdom
you people do not truly know, all you know how to do is divide, what a shame, and then you wonder why there is such dissent. Foolish mortals, this is not the work of nature, but a most unnatural force, why try and hide in the darkness what you can see illuminated by the light?
Originally posted by queenannie38
i haven't denied anything except confidence and faith in the mainstream accepted mythos, sans solid unprejudiced evidence - and that is both my GOD-given right as well as my right as an American.
furthermore, i'd think that, as a moderator, you'd be able to maintain more of a neutral attitude in any discussion here at ATS, regardless of subject matter.
or else excuse yourself.
i'm not impressed.
i made a statement in reply to another member's post. it was a valid statement and it did not imply what you are proposing it implied.
if you truly understand as much as you portray, then Stalin's occupation of East Berlin immediately following the fall of the third reich would not seem to you to be a *secondary point*
in fact, it became the BIG ISSUE for the whole world, for the next 44 years.
Originally posted by Glass_Eyed_Max
The Jewish Internet Defense Force is currently recruiting volunteers as agents to disrupt all websites and forums that criticize Israel.
If you are interested in being an agent for The Jewish Internet Defense Force, please sign up.
You can start by hijacking this muslim thread that questions whether Zuckerberg is a Zionist or not:
Or by calling Obama and the administration anti-semitic for acknowledging Israel's destructive behavior:
Heck, if you are crying antisemitism on this thread just because the Holocaust evidence is being questioned, you already have a headstart. Sign up today!
[edit on 8-1-2010 by Glass_Eyed_Max]