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Only one percent of the Holocaust claims can be proven - Says Holocaust Scholar and Expert

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posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Why yes in fact Otto Koch was executed prior to the camp being liberated.

He was Ilse's Husband, Isle was known as the "B-tch of Buchenwald" and was the one reputed to have had the lamp shades of human skin made.

SS. Col Koch was transferred to Majdenek in Lublin Poland in 1943 while being investigated for allegations of unsanctioned murders at Buchenwald and for tax evasion.

He was convicted of murdering Walter Kramer a Jewish Inmate who worked in the Buchenwalds camp medical facilty.

He was sentenced to death.

Herman Pisster was the Comandant at the time the camp was liberated.

Now you know!


You've said the Holocaust numbers were falsified as part of some master plan by those Evil Jews. And the demise of this guy was an example.

But what does anecdotal Nazi gossip have to do with a major historical event? Except maybe reveal the fixation of those who collect this stuff?




[edit on 8-1-2010 by mmiichael]




posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Actually this is all from meticulously kept surviving records Michael.

No gossip just documented fact, in the case of Col. Koch, just like it’s all documented in the case of Rommel and Von Stauffenberg.

The point I was trying to display is that so many of the people who come out huffing and puffing and frothing at the mouth like rabid animals to denounce so called ‘holocaust deniers’, don’t in fact know one darn thing about the holocaust themselves except they are supposed to angrily slander anyone who questions any single aspect of it!

You keep talking about all this ‘credible history’ and ‘serious’ ‘valid’ ‘research’ that holocaust supporters allegedly do that makes all the myths sacrosanct but in reality you and many others are absolutely clueless as to what that research is or what all happened by who, what, when and where.

You point to a fictional number of people killed that credible newspaper articles have shown was a part of Zionist propaganda claiming Jewish persecution for 20 solid years before the holocaust ever occurred. Any one who questions it, it’s just act indignant call them a few names, act like you know what you are talking about and stamp your feet and cry and pout.

Anyone who knows real history you simply dismiss while pointing to vague broad sweeping statements devoid of one intellectual fact to emotionally dismiss them.

That practice in itself is fraud, it’s not reasoned, it’s not rational, it’s not factual, it’s not substantiated or supported but is simply pure emotional dogma aimed at derailing and stifling credible debate and research.

The fact is you know nothing about the holocaust other than you are supposed to attack and slander anyone who challenges any detail of it.

The same holds true for the rest of the Israeli Internet Defense Force…

BUSTED!



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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Laugh out loud Michael how many times are you going to re-edit that last post of yours?

I am expecting it to shortly turn into...

The hills are alive with the sound of music,

Raindrops and kittens
and warm wooly mittens!

Once again the point you really miss Michael is people researching and looking for answers are in fact going to stumble onto the truth or the closest thing out there to it sooner or later.

If your right that will validate your 'fuzzy' logic, if you are wrong, then it won't.

It amazes me why some people are so afraid of the truth.

Nice try though trying to paint anyone who knows the history of World War II as some Nazi Memrobilia Collector.

Want to talk about the 1897 Phillipine American War instead?

We could talk about how the Grimaldis seized Monnaco on this day in 1297 if you like?

Or if you prefer how Andrew Jackson won the Battle of New Orleans on this day in 1815 to conclude the War of 1812.

Laugh out Loud the slogan should not be "Never Forget" the holocaust slogan should be "Make sure no one ever finds out".



[edit on 8/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

You point to a fictional number of people killed that credible newspaper articles have shown was a part of Zionist propaganda claiming Jewish persecution for 20 solid years before the holocaust ever occurred. Any one who questions it, it’s just act indignant call them a few names, act like you know what you are talking about and stamp your feet and cry and pout.

The same holds true for the rest of the Israeli Internet Defense Force…

BUSTED!



You are of course out of your gourd.

The indignation of so many comes from the fact that the 6 million number was established beyond any shadow of doubt as early as 1946. It has been validated on every level possible from actual perpetrators to Reich records.

Germany tried to conquer Europe. They came close to succeeding. Germany enacted a massive extermination campaign targeted at Jews. They came close to succeeding. Tens of millions were there as participants or witnesses.

Nothing printed on any piece of paper can alter what happened. The strenuous efforts of a grotesque horde of Neo-Nazis and obsessive Googlers does not change history.

Just as a legion of addled minds obsessed with trying to demonstrate the 9/11 attacks to be some sort of machination of Evil US and Evil Mossad does not alter what actually occurred.

We learn from discussion with the advocates of these and other conspiracy theories not so much about the events in question as we do how reason, common sense, and often decency can become totally derailed for some unfortunate people.





[edit on 8-1-2010 by mmiichael]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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We learn from discussion with the advocates of these and other conspiracy theories not so much about historical events in question as we do how reason, common sense, decency can become totally derailed for some unfortunate people.


So in other words after extensive and time consuming consultations with Tel Aviv the only thing you guys could come up with is just repeat the same old nonsense again.

Alright then!

Saying these ludicrous fabrications does not make it so. Just so you know Michael, in a mid level fraud it takes the Secret Service or FBI an average of 3 years of forensic investigation before an analysis can be rendered to present to a Grand Jury for indictment.

There is no way that by 1948 that the hundreds of millions of documents from hundreds of thousands of sources were properly or adequately reviewed or analyzed.

Especially considering that the Russians had half of them and the Cold War practically started the minute after the Reich’s Chancellery was stormed.

The reality is you don’t have one credible piece of research to substantiate those numbers and they have been hotly contested for half a century as time has permitted more thorough research into the matter and a more accurately reflective cataloguing and examination of the data.

During that whole time for purely political reasons the Zionists have kept using this same old argument again and again and again to try to keep real facts from surfacing that would expose much of the propaganda that they have used to extort huge sums of money and huge tracks of lands and turn Zionist Israel into the little big man playground bully it has become who has a lot of big friends.

The world is a disaster area, and especially the Middle East based on this whole 6 million imaginary Jews died during World War II and the other 52 million real people who really died in it don’t count for a hill of beans.

It’s nothing but a crude and baseless attempt at continued extortion and anyone who has done any credible research into it knows that most of the claims are highly exaggerated and can’t be substantiated by the Zionists.

Which is why all you have is this broken record of no sources and wild and erratic attempts to cast dispersions on anyone who dares to intelligently question and research and learn on the subject, that is almost criminal considering many of these charlatans understanding of history is not even rudimentary.

It’s absolutely incredible that you would still be espousing these dogmas at this juncture Michael.




[edit on 8/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

So in other words after extensive and time consuming consultations with Tel Aviv the only thing you guys could come up with is just repeat the same old nonsense again.

Alright then!

Saying these ludicrous fabrications does not make it so. Just so you know Michael, in a mid level fraud it takes the Secret Service or FBI an average of 3 years of forensic investigation before an analysis can be rendered to present to a Grand Jury for indictment.

There is no way that by 1948 that the hundreds of millions of documents from hundreds of thousands of sources were properly or adequately reviewed or analyzed.



Play with speculation and factoid rearrangements all you want. Tens of million in a dozen countries were there watching it happen. They all knew the local Jewish residents had been taken away or executed on the spot. Every official in Europe knew of the massive scale of the genocide.

Numbers were correlated and rough estimates were calculated fairly quickly. Whether the exact number would ultimately be 5.6 million or 6.4 million didn't really matter. There will never be an absolute final count. Hundreds of unrecorded mass graves are still being documented.

There is enough hard primary documentation, transcribed testimony, photographic evidence to keep the most skeptical soul reading for years.

The fact that some people strenuously want to avoid this particular historical reality is saddening.

But Jew haters have to constantly seek new fodder to fuel their rage. Google is happy to oblige.

You would expect people to intuitively want to reject vicious self destructiveness and self-hatred. But many embrace it.






[edit on 8-1-2010 by mmiichael]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 11:45 PM
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Credible Jewish researchers put the number at around 300,000 Michael.

That would not be including the Jews who were shot in the Ukraine or Lithuania and Estonia who most of were shot for being communists.

The Nazis practiced scorched earth warfare in Russia they killed everything, it was a brutal war, perhaps the most brutal the world has ever seen. What happened in Stalingrad especially was beyond the pale.

I never faulted the Russians one little bit for arming to the teeth after the casualties that they had inflicted on them by the Germans, some estimates place Russian losses as high as 35 million people.

Yet at that same time as I posted there was real concern on the part of especially the French branch of the Rothschild Family that those Eastern European Jews and Russian Jews most of whom were poor and lacked skills would place an incredible burden on the Zionist colony in Palestine.

The Rothschild family which means House of Dan was originally out of Norway. History clearly shows and documents the Nazis waiting for weeks on the beaches of Norway for the Jews to be evacuated into neutral Switzerland and safety before going inland.

There is much credible speculation still to this day that Hitler was the illegitimate grandson of the Austrian branch of the Rothschild family Michael. His grandmother did work as a maid in the Baron Rothschild’s house and he was a notorious womanizer. She did leave his employ after becoming pregnant while in it.

The source of Hitler’s income during his failed days as an Austrian artist during the most gripping depression the world has ever seen when much of Germany was unemployed and it took a wheel barrel full of Marks just to buy a loaf of bread is intriguing to say the least.

So too is the fact that after the Beer Hall Putsch he was incarcerated in what was a genuine castle estate with extensive vineyards along with Rudolph Hess and just how and who wrote Mein Kamp during that time.

That he emerged to a well funded organization with Wall Street funders is rather questionable too Michael.

Yet what really intrigues scholars was the mad dash through Austria by the S.S. upon him being elected Chancellor to secure his original birth certificate in the world’s first ever Birth Certificate Scandal.

There is much evidence in the form of private letters between Lord Rothschild and Churchill first as Colonial Secretary and then as Prime Minister in correspondences that dated back to when he was Lord of the Admiralty that it was Churchill and Rothschild who planned out the Holocaust.

When you further consider it was the British who had first used Concentration Camps in Africa at the turn of the Century it becomes even more plausible.

Real history not just suggests but indicates that certain undesirable Jews not wanted in Israel were targeted for extermination, and that Jews who would be preferential were spared, in an overall campaign to frighten those desired Jews who were deemed to be ones that could contribute in either self supportive ways, or in militant ways would be compelled to immigrate to Palestine.

The Holocaust is in fact one of the greatest, deepest darkest conspiracies of all time, and I have frankly done way to much research on it over the years to entertain these 3rd grade versions of it Michael.

If you think that the Holocaust was a tragedy wait until you see what Rome has in store for Israel as it sets the final stage in its quest to mimic biblical prophecy to drive the world to a one world government.

You my friend, do the Jews no favor by falling into a trap that they have been kept in for 2,000 years by Rome and the last few hundred by the machinations of the Papal Rothschilds.

Your information is entirely irrelevant and entirely fictitious and you have either been brainwashed into believing it like half the world has or you have become part of the Zionist conspiracy.

Either way, I reject it as fiction and most reasoned, studied and scholarly minds would too!

Thanks!


[edit on 8/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Credible Jewish researchers put the number at around 300,000 Michael.

There is much credible speculation still to this day that Hitler was the illegitimate grandson of the Austrian branch of the Rothschild


There is much evidence in the form of private letters between Lord Rothschild and Churchill first as Colonial Secretary and then as Prime Minister in correspondences that dated back to when he was Lord of the Admiralty that it was Churchill and Rothschild who planned out the Holocaust.


Real history not just suggests but indicates that certain undesirable Jews not wanted in Israel were targeted for extermination, and that Jews who would be preferential were spared, in an overall campaign to frighten those desired Jews who were deemed to be ones that could contribute in either self supportive ways, or in militant ways would be compelled to immigrate to Palestine.


The Holocaust is in fact one of the greatest, deepest darkest conspiracies of all time, and I have frankly done way to much research on it over the years


If you think that the Holocaust was a tragedy wait until you see what Rome has in store for Israel as it sets the final stage in its quest to mimic biblical prophecy to drive the world to a one world government.


Your information is entirely irrelevant and entirely fictitious and you have either been brainwashed into believing it like half the world has or you have become part of the Zionist conspiracy.

Either way, I reject it as fiction and most reasoned, studied and scholarly minds would too!



I just isolated a few of the more lunatic bits here.

No further comment.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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I just isolated a few of the more lunatic bits here.

No further comment.



Oy Vey I should be so lucky!

Do some real research and stop being such a mench would you!



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Oy Vey I should be so lucky!

Do some real research and stop being such a mench would you!


You're pretty good at ice-breaking Protomaster. Must have had lots of practice.

If "real research" is swallowing junk info from those embarrassingly fruit loops sites masquerading as historical sources- we get all the succulent highlights around here.

Never cease to be amazed how out of touch with the real world some people can be. I guess being able to type doesn't necessarily impute the ability to think critically. Centuries after an Age Enlightenment a lot of people still live in some Dark Ages of awareness.

Must be some scheme Lord Rothschild and Churchill cooked to to keep the masses down in anticipation of the impending NWO Final Solution. Maybe the 12th Imam will be dropping by too. Check you local conspiracy site for time and channel.

btw The word is spelled "mensch". Literally "human" - the loose connotation is a decent person of fine judgement and integrity.

An alien concept for some.


M

[edit on 9-1-2010 by mmiichael]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 04:12 AM
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Its interesting.

Its only jewish people that get discussed in threads like these.

Have you noticed?

The ethnic polish, freemasons, russian prisoners of war, slavs, homosexuals, romanies, jehovah's witnesses and mentally disabled people never do.

I never, ever see denial posts about those people.

When denial (or, if you want to be "PC" about it, "revision"), its only the stuff about jewish people that ever gets dragged through the mire and disputed.

The dispute is always targetted at the jews. Not the 5.5 million others. (see Victims and death toll)

Which begs the question as to why its always only about jewish people.

Are people saying that the others didn't die as well?

The reason the holocaust is synonymous with jewish people is because they were by far and away the largest single group exterminated, but if you take them out of the equation, the exetermination of 5.5 million other people is still a genocide. Its still a despicable, evil and wicked act.

But it seems its only those with an axe to grind against Israel, and jewish people that raise this stuff, because its only the jews that get mentioned.

And its only those people who get hung up on the six million figure - hell if it was as "low" as 1 million its still an atrocity.

And its only those people who bang on about freedom of speech, and insist that the whole thing is being rammed down their throat when, in all actuality in day to day life you'll find it only gets mentioned when something happens to evoke the memory of the event - an anniversary or as happened recently the stealing of the gate sign at Auscwitz.

And its only those people who complain about how the thing is taught in schools, and demand that other genocides be taught about, and yet they don't deny those, or question them, or describe them as a "myth" and come up with reasons why they were necessary.

And yet those same people will seemingly accept any other historical event without creating pages and pages of material denying it happened, and yet have a problem with this particular one.

Frankly, there ain't no threads on ATS decrying Darfur, Cambodia, Armenia, Rwanda, the Bataan Death March, the Japanese occupation of China etc...

Its an observation. I think its a very interesting one.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 07:03 AM
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The ethnic polish, freemasons, russian prisoners of war, slavs, homosexuals, romanies, jehovah's witnesses and mentally disabled people never do.

Which begs the question as to why its always only about jewish people.

So why no one questions the others. Because we're not hearing their whining day by day. Because they're not demanding money and making advertisement about it more then 60 years AFTER it's happened. Because they're not making business about the death of their own people. And because the other group knows that the Jewish people are not telling the truth in this matter, but continuously creating more and more fiction to get more and more money. The other groups are not working against themselves to support the lies of others. They're know what the Jewish people don't know. Lies, especially if they'll be revealed on one day may cause their very own extinction in the future.

The other upper mentioned people never said and never confirmed what the Jewish people said. They never did. So why should anyone question them if their story is quite different then the only race which is making daily business of it and made it to it's own trademarked event?

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posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by Sharrow
Because we're not hearing their whining day by day.





Originally posted by neformore
And its only those people who bang on about freedom of speech, and insist that the whole thing is being rammed down their throat when, in all actuality in day to day life you'll find it only gets mentioned when something happens to evoke the memory of the event - an anniversary or as happened recently the stealing of the gate sign at Auscwitz.


Thank you for so expertly highlighting my point.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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Jewish are making self assaults against themselves. They're behind to steal those letters from Auscwitz, because they need the advertisement. When they're become weak, suddenly a "Neo-Nazi" appears and makes a great assault against them. Now Goldberg, Goldstein and other similar names are strange names for a Neo-Nazi don't you think? In my country many Jewish people was captured as they've painted the Swastikas to their Synagogues and made other self assaults to hear their voice and whine in the news. Do you believe they're honest? Think again, because they're not.

[edit on 9-1-2010 by Sharrow]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 08:45 AM
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Just to add to the discussion, here's an excerpt from Jewish author Max I. Dimont's "Jews, God, and History" (he died in early 1990s):
p. 391 "Of these 12 million victims, 7 million were Christians and 5 million were Jews* -- 1.4 Christians for every Jew. But because the Nazis shoulted 'Kill the Jews', the world blinded itself to the murder of Christians."
p. 397 "During the first five years of the Nazi regime, therefore, most concentation camp inmates were Christians."
p. 409 "The ratio of planned contemplated mass killing was no longer 1.4 Christians for every Jew, but 5.3 Christians for every Jew. Nazi future plans called for the killing of 10 million non-Germanic people every year."

*(footnote added by Dimont p.392)
"The figure usually quoted for the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis is 6,000,000, but facts tend to support a figure of 5,000,000. Justice Jackson at the Nuremberg trials cited 4,5000,000 Jews killed by te Germans. Today, the highest estimate is 5,600,000 the lowest 4,200,000. The difference is accounted for by guessing Jewish losses in territories held by the Soviet Union. Gerlad Reitlinger gives the figure of 5,000,000. 'I believe it does not make the guilt of the living Germans any less if the figure of six million turns out to be an over-estimate,' he says. (The Final Solution, p469) Howard M. Sacher puts the figure at 4,200,000 to 4,600,000 statig that 'the figure of 6,000,000 released at the end of the war has since been discounted.' (The Curse of Modern Jewish History, p.452)"



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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The 6 million figure is in senate documents from before WW1 !!
Just look them up.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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You're pretty good at ice-breaking Protomaster. Must have had lots of practice.

Living in Miami you get pretty good at making daiquiris, pina-coladas, margaritas, and other frozen concoctions!

I know you are exceedingly fond of me Michael but try not to call me Master in front of the other members!




If "real research" is swallowing junk info from those embarrassingly fruit loops sites masquerading as historical sources- we get all the succulent highlights around here.


What an assumptive statement considering you have not only no idea where your own sources come from but absolutely none as to where my sources come from.

You might want to read the description of ATS it’s a Conspiracy and Alternative Views website.

I am sure if you just concentrated your blogging to the Israeli Internet Defense Force site you wouldn’t run into people espousing and sharing ‘non-sanctioned’ information.




Never cease to be amazed how out of touch with the real world some people can be. I guess being able to type doesn't necessarily impute the ability to think critically. Centuries after an Age Enlightenment a lot of people still live in some Dark Ages of awareness.


That is in large part because a small, select and exceedingly wealthy group of bankers, captains of industries, oil tycoons, media moguls and ace attorneys conspire to shape the attitudes and perspectives and world view of the masses.

Many people call them the Powers that Be; I call them names like George, Christopher, Bill, David and Rupert.

We all get by with a little help from our friends!

I do my best to work towards helping people to evolve towards a more cognizant and enlightened state despite some people’s supreme efforts to stay just as ignorant as the day is long.

The most enslaved man is the one who imagines he is free.




Must be some scheme Lord Rothschild and Churchill cooked to to keep the masses down in anticipation of the impending NWO Final Solution. Maybe the 12th Imam will be dropping by too. Check you local conspiracy site for time and channel.


Wow more evidence of the Zionists predisposition to turn any topic into an attempt to propagandize a world view that I illustrated several pages back as being all about a war of Islamic attrition to control the Middle East oil supplies.

Oil that men like Churchill as Lord of the Admiralty and Prime Minister desperately needed to fuel their large and imperialistic navies to project foreign policy and control through strength of arms, it’s called gunboat diplomacy Michael maybe they make note of it.

Just like the Israeli Gunboat that sank the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 and killed 42 American Sailors and wounded over 150 others in a false flag attempt to drag the U.S. into the 1967 war against Egypt.

Oil makes it all go round, fuels those ships and jet fighters, and transports, and oil is the most profitable single commodity on the planet and Israel’s existence often creates the pretexts for how that oil is controlled by foreign powers at it’s source.

Foreign powers like Rothschild who owns Royal Dutch Shell and Rockefeller who owns Exxon/Mobil.

Where there is motive, there is opportunity, and both the motive and opportunity existed, and still does to this day, hence the war on terror and the abysmal conditions throughout the Middle East and much of the world.




btw The word is spelled "mensch". Literally "human" - the loose connotation is a decent person of fine judgement and integrity.

An alien concept for some.



I know Michael but I keep hoping by demonstrating to others what the inhuman oligarchs and elites of the world have done that more people out there will join the human race. Who knows you might yet earn that missing S in time.

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Its only jewish people that get discussed in threads like these.


Might be because it's only the Zionists who try to stifle and disrupt and derail threads like these with their emotional dogmas and slanderous accusations regarding the motives and characters of those people who feel compelled to discuss such issues and probe the soft white underbelly of them!




The ethnic polish, freemasons, russian prisoners of war, slavs, homosexuals, romanies, jehovah's witnesses and mentally disabled people never do.

I never, ever see denial posts about those people.



These people aren’t trying to extort money or justify the bad politics of warmongering and belligerent nation that has armed itself with nuclear weapons without being a part of any of the International Nuclear Regulatory Bodies, nor are they committing genocides of their own against people’s like the Palestinians, running apartheid states or manipulating world events to wage a war of Muslim attrition.

These people aren’t trying to use a 70 year old war where over 52 million people died as justifications for killing, extorting, blackmailing and stealing today!

That ought to tell you something right there.




Which begs the question as to why its always only about jewish people.

Are people saying that the others didn't die as well?


The truth is that the Polish Government and the Catholic Church have been embroiled in bitter controversies with the Jewish and Zionist Organizations for 70 years. The grounds of Auschwitz are as divided as Berlin once was with Roman Catholic administered sections and Polish Administered sections and Jewish Administered sections.

Historical data points to ethnic Slavs most of whom were Roman Catholic dying at twice the numbers in the labor camps.

The disingenuous Zionist argument is that a greater per capita percentage of the overall Jewish population died than the percentage of the overall Slavic population died and there for they statistically lost more people percentage wise even though the Slavs may have lost two to three times as many people numerically.

Considering a few of those Slavs were distant relatives of mine I find such contemptuously dismissive arguments to be as bogus and self serving and erroneous as many of the Zionist and Jewish Claims are regarding the Holocaust.




The reason the holocaust is synonymous with jewish people is because they were by far and away the largest single group exterminated, but if you take them out of the equation, the exetermination of 5.5 million other people is still a genocide. Its still a despicable, evil and wicked act.


No credible historian disputes that more Slavs died in the camps and the forced labor system than any other group.

Unfortunately one of the things that muddies these debates besides the emotions purposefully interjected into them is that much of what actually transpired was hard to ascertain during the Cold War because the Soviets had so many of the actual records that detailed what happened that they carted off from their half of Berlin and Germany.

However once the Iron Curtain fell credible scholars have been able to access sites inside of the formerly divided Germany and records stored in Moscow. New information comes out all the time, pertinent, valid and factual information.

What most people know about the holocaust is what they learned in school, which is often 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago and have done little to no credible study on it since.

A lot of bad information still exists in a lot of people’s minds because of that and we have seen that on this thread when people talk about lampshades made of human skin and soap made of human fat that were debunked and proven false by government forensic tests years ago.

What many people imagine they know about the holocaust is false.




But it seems its only those with an axe to grind against Israel, and jewish people that raise this stuff, because its only the jews that get mentioned.


Utter nonsense, it’s simply the Zionists for political reasons who can tolerate no research, debate, or questions on the subject interjecting themselves into it when ever it occurs to stifle it.

It’s the squeaky wheel that gets the grease and as you yourself have pointed out in a half thought out round about way none of the other affected people targeted in the holocaust who haven’t developed a cottage industry of being rewarded because they were targeted in it care when people try to discuss it and find out the truth.




Frankly, there ain't no threads on ATS decrying Darfur, Cambodia, Armenia, Rwanda, the Bataan Death March, the Japanese occupation of China etc...


Once again there are no people involved with these things who wish to elevate them for profit and power to beyond just being the normal occurrences of war.

Your arguments basically boil down to if someone owns a kippah, hech cap, or yarmulke and puts it on it automatically makes them experts on the incredibly complex events of the World War I and II and the Holocaust is as patently ridiculous as they come.

There is an old saying in regards to these types of naysayers…I think thoust doest protest too much!

Thanks!



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 01:13 PM
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Hilarious.

I found something that reminds me of this thread, specifically Zionist Propagandists spreading their lies. Be sure to watch the 2 parts:

www.youtube.com...

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Judaism, wake up! Zionism is your greatest enemy.





[edit on 9-1-2010 by Glass_Eyed_Max]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

a small, select and exceedingly wealthy group of bankers, captains of industries, oil tycoons, media moguls and ace attorneys conspire to shape the attitudes and perspectives and world view of the masses.

Many people call them the Powers that Be; I call them names like George, Christopher, Bill, David and Rupert.

We all get by with a little help from our friends!

I do my best to work towards helping people to evolve towards a more cognizant and enlightened state despite some people’s supreme efforts to stay just as ignorant as the day is long.

The most enslaved man is the one who imagines he is free.



Wow more evidence of the Zionists predisposition to turn any topic into an attempt to propagandize a world view that I illustrated several pages back as being all about a war of Islamic attrition to control the Middle East oil supplies.

Oil that men like Churchill as Lord of the Admiralty and Prime Minister desperately needed to fuel their large and imperialistic navies to project foreign policy and control through strength of arms, it’s called gunboat diplomacy Michael maybe they make note of it.

Just like the Israeli Gunboat that sank the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 and killed 42 American Sailors and wounded over 150 others in a false flag attempt to drag the U.S. into the 1967 war against Egypt.

Oil makes it all go round, fuels those ships and jet fighters, and transports, and oil is the most profitable single commodity on the planet and Israel’s existence often creates the pretexts for how that oil is controlled by foreign powers at it’s source.

Foreign powers like Rothschild who owns Royal Dutch Shell and Rockefeller who owns Exxon/Mobil.

Where there is motive, there is opportunity, and both the motive and opportunity existed, and still does to this day, hence the war on terror and the abysmal conditions throughout the Middle East and much of the world.



This is where your thinking always falls down Proty. You believe something, then hunt down an example that can be used to confirm your hypothesis. You call it proof - and declare case is closed. That's not historical research - this called data mining. Isolate an aberrant example - and declare it representative.

Like trotting out the already fatigued case of the The USS Liberty being hit by Israeli jet fighter planes and torpedo boats. Both the Israeli and US governments conducted inquiries and issued reports, which concluded that the attack was a military mistake, confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty.

The Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 on behalf of the families of the 34 men killed. Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. Israel agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the US claim of $7,644,146 for the ship's damage. December 17, 1987, the issue was officially closed by both governments.

You will dine out on this unfortunate accident to eternity, just as you will dine out to eternity on the Rothschilds having an interest in an major oil company.

Never contextualized in your arguments is that the world is a very large exceedingly complex place with a few billion people and much political and business activities from many sources. The 15 or so million Jews are disproportionately represented in world affairs. They are often well-educated, often successful, often pretty smart. The majority live in Israel and the US now. but they don't run the world or aspire to.

Those inclined to conspiracies attribute malign plotting on the part of Jews. Given that the economic and political power in today's world is divided among many disparate identifiable groups, Christians, Americans, Europeans, the Middle East, the Chinese, Japanese, people of the Indian sub-continent, the British and their commonwealth, multinational corporations - it's an increasingly tough argument to paint the Jews as some predominant controlling force. Jews represent a small fraction of one percent of the world's population, claim only one small country which has no significant natural resources. Jews control a diminishing share of the trillions of dollars in financial assets of the expanding world of commerce.

They are considered to be bright capable people, have a history of persecution and suffering. But in the end they are just a tiny minority with a lot of visibility that would just like to be left alone to do their thing. Not be hounded at every opportunity by disgruntled losers looking for a ripe target to blame for their personal failures.


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Like trotting out the already fatigued case of the The USS Liberty being hit by Israeli jet fighter planes and torpedo boats. Both the Israeli and US governments conducted inquiries and issued reports, which concluded that the attack was a military mistake, confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty.

The Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 on behalf of the families of the 34 men killed. Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. Israel agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the US claim of $7,644,146 for the ship's damage. December 17, 1987, the issue was officially closed by both governments.


A two and a half hour long attack on an American Flagged Vessel on which men died rehoisting the largest American Flag that they had on the ship, while wearing American Uniforms, with a clearly displayed American Registry was a mistaken identidy?

Alrighty then!

And this in a nutshell perfectly describes the litigious Zionist nature; deceased life can be compensated through dollars and cents.

I don’t imagine that such monetary compensations bring back the dead do you Michael? That the deceased can then better enjoy things like the bloom of a rose, the wafting breeze upon their skin, the scent of their wife’s perfume or husband’s cologne, or the laugh of a grandchild they will never meet or a child they will never see again.

I have seen some truly disgusting excuses for crimes against humanity as being justifiable but this perhaps is the lowest of the low.

I don’t think it will be today that you earn that s my mench friend!

Edit to add: Isn't it ironic that when it comes to the cold blooded murder of Americans by Israelis, that bringing it up is just a tried old and pathetic argument in Zionist eyes, but where the Holocaust is concerned as far as the Jews and only the Jews are concerned "we must never forget"








[edit on 9/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



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