ATTENTION Patriots / Birthers / Teabaggers / Whomever - If you did get your Revolution, Then What?

The irony in all this is that ..

your BS movement is according to "some of you" against the "evil socialist Marxist communists" that run the Government ..

But still .. you are doing the same thing a communist would do ..

You people are so weird and funny ( and full of hypocrisy)

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by gwydionblack

 

I guess I should appreciate the patriotism but if you were not fighting sir, what would you do? Do you know how to handle peace?

What do you do for fun? Hunt? Not that hunting is bad, my brother is a hunter. I am just trying to get a picture of a happy man without a gun in his hands. What will it take to get us there with you? Is it even possible or when this hurdle is passed will there be another issue to put you en guard?

What rights did you have that were taken away?

I am afraid there will never be peace as long as there are trigger happy warriors, lusting after bigger guns and, just itching for the next fight.

A few years ago I watched an army recruitment campaign on television
that showed teenagers watching a tank approach from inside a glass control room. One of them hit a toggle switch and then blew the tank to smithereens to the boys obvious delight.
I kid you not, the tag line was
"Join the Army. Blow things up."

How do we even approach this type of a mentality?

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reply to post by rusethorcain


First off you keep using straw-men arguments. Stop it. We are not trigger happy hicks who blow crap up for the sake of blowing crap up.


Most of us ( the reasonable ones such as EndisNighe and gwydion ) do not want to turn our guns on our own countrymen. And the fact that you assume we are going to slaughter people systematically for the sake of killing goes to show how little you understand of actually staging a hostile takeover of a government and the revolutionary movement in general. The fact of the matter is that violent revolution is the last resort. Time and Time again we have elected leaders who promised to lead our revolution peacefully only to have them bought out by special interest groups, lobbyists or to ignore the peoples will and instead advance their own agenda. Peaceful revolution is USELESS when you have a government that will not acknowledge it. When we peacefully assemble we are portrayed as lunatics, when we ask our politicians to help us we get spat on.

How many black men had to die before they were given their rights? It took the murder of countless black people and federal intervention for them to get their god given rights. They had to rely on the federal government over ruling the state government, and it was a long and hard process and in the end resulted in more bloodshed and hatred than it started out with. We do not have a federal government who can come in and rescue us, the federal and state governments are BOTH corrupt. Who watches the Watchmen?

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This is how it works.

You only fire when fired upon.
Your opposition can either peacefully surrender or be forcefully arrested. Should they decide to violently resist arrest you are then to use as little force as possible when apprehending them, killing them only out of self defense.

You subject your prisoners to a fair trial of randomly selected jurors. The political prisoners are subject to the same rights as any other prisoner would be within the new system.

A temporary government is put in place in order to create the ground work for the new government

Elections are held and new representatives are elected and the new government is modified or reformed according to the will of the people in order to prevent the Temporary government from instituting an oppressive force. For example let's say they wanted to ban a religion, it would be up to the new government ( the one elected by the people) to un-ban that religion.


There are probably some finer points i am missing but i am sure others will pick up on it.

Oh I guess you like this nation without God? This nation was under God but make no mistake it is not anymore.

The teachings of Jesus can never be anything but good, especially for a sinful nation who would be washing its hands of blood once again.

"You guys are just deluded fools" Speak for yourself, Some of us are sick and tired of the Ignorance and wicked fools that surrounds us in this once great land. If you are one then I suggest you run because there is a whirl wind coming and we all pray to Jesus not Mohammad, Satan or some fat china man.

His wrath is coming, be ready.

Yeah... Only the U.S. was NOT founded as a Christian Nation.
From George Washington saying that explicitly in the Treaty of Tripoli to countless quotes of Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson etc. etc.. They all hated religion. The "Separation of Church and State" was there to stop two-way tampering. They did not want men of the cloth screwing with politics. They also did not want anyone in the government cracking down on religion-or worse yet being a "God President".

The "One nation under god" in the pledge? Yeah that was inserted in the 50's during the start of the red scare. Money had it added way after the founding as well when the religious started to get more sway.

Otherwise... Wrath? Really? What is he to you, a 10 year old throwing a tantrum?
Here is a concept: Omnipotence. If God exists-with a thought he could change the world to how 'he meant it to be'. Wrath? Why would such a being need to terrorize creatures that are so comparatively insignificant like a child with a magnifying glass on an ant-hill.. But, you certainly seem like you should continue ignoring the greatest commandment: Love everyone. Oh, and keep lobbing those stones at the wicked. Without those like you the dirty sinners would never get their day, right?

No matter the party affiliation, religious background, ethnic pursuasion or educational background, we as a nation are suffering lately in our ability to get elected politicians to do what is in the best interests of the nation and this grand failure in government can mostly be attributed to greed and a serious lack of ethcial and moral character in the politicians that represent us.

Making matters worse is our inability to bring anyone to justice because there also is a failed system. With so many failures in our systems, it is no wonder we never can affect the real change we need. As soon as some honestly elected representative goes to Washington, the bribes and positions of power sooner or later corrupt everyone. This means that it is corruption and a lack of judicial process that haunts our nation.

If we revolt, go mad in the streets and shoot up the country side, it will only give the government the justification to do what they planned to do to us from the beginning. Invoke martial law and begin rounding up anyone deemed a threat to the new fledgling socialist party now taking over our nation. Revolt or not, it is the corruption and the systems that support and reinforce the corruption that must be ended. We have the technology to begin identifying and eliminating waste fraud and abuse and until we do, revolting and swapping out the crooks with fresh crooks is not going to change a thing. Revolt or the spawing of a revolution from the citizens should be reserved for foreign invasions and if that happens we wont be able to respond until after the first intitial nuclear attack on American cities. At this juncture it would then be time for us to stop worrying about the crooked representatives and the corrupt system. At this juncture we will be worried with our survival. Let's hope that we do not see this last concern manifest itself, but to think about it is not a waste of time.

We live in changing times and as such we must once again challenge ourselves and the nation to undertake the chore of ridding ourselves of corruption that taints our financial systems, corporations and the federal government itself. We have seen our science, education, history and every facet of our society tainted with the cancer of corruption. We must move to remove the cancer and we must do so if we are to survive another decade.

Patriots, Tea baggers, birthers, Constitutionalist, all the segments of our society must first remove the cheating, lies, deciet and conspiratorial corruption that sells itself for so called Democrats and Republicans. We need honest men and women and a honest system that is free from outside influence and or meddling. If we cant find represetatives to do their job without being bribed into corruption then no revolution is going to change a thing until we change how that system supports a return to honesty and removes the ability of politicians and federal employees to hide behind national security and corrupt computer programs. Right now, today those corrupt computer systems that run the agencies of the federal government, continue day in and day out, 365 days a year to milk the government tax payers of billions upon billions of stolen dollars. Federal employees and private corporations are stealing untold billions and it is that corruption that must end.

If and when we begin looking into corruption within federal agencies we better have a judicial system that will handle the work load because if we ever go after the crooks, something tells me the judicial system and the prison system is going to take a spike in numbers because there are numerous criminals that goe undetected and it is that failure that contributes to the continued failure of America values, freedom and and undermines our belief in something decent and better. Not "better" for a few, but better for the nation and every citizen that takes pride in calling themselves American.

reply to post by Polynomial C



Again with the straw-man arguments. This has NOTHING to do with obama or marxism and communism. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT. I apologize for the ad-hominem i am about to make. You are clearly brainwashed by left and right wing media into thinking that this has anything to do with Obama or the democrats solely. We have already stated in this thread that the ENTIRE government is corrupt. Left, Right, center, THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT.

reply to post by DeathShield


Yeah, you people claim that .. but ..

Where were you in 2000/2008 .. where were you in the Clinton years and in the Bush I years ..

Why are you so freaking loud NOW? !! what changed your mind ??

Maybe you are the brainwashed one .. you have been brainwashed by the right .. have fun in Sheepland

Originally posted by Someone336
reply to post by Sky watcher

 

If there is one thing that scares me more than the corporate takeover of this country, it is the idea that people like you can - and have - influenced public policy. Nothing in what you say actually gives a damn about the concept of freedom. For you, freedom is everyone thinking one way: your way.

We have it your way now, does it work? NO!! If everyone was taught the ways of Jesus then this country would be allot better off. It needs to be taught in schools so every kid gets to know the true right and wrong and how to live like a good person, NOT WHAT SOME LIBERAL TREE HUGGING DOPE SMOKING HIPPIE THINKS.

This country needs and enema and going back to the old way without Jesus would bring us right back to square one.

Jesus never brought harm to anyone, Only evil or wannabe sinners want a life without him. If you don't want Jesus in your life then I say move to Canada.

reply to post by lordtyp0



The founding fathers did not hate religion. They saw no place for it in politics. Did you know that every cornerstone for every building in the national mall contains a bible within it? The founding fathers valued the Holy word very much but understood that it was not to be the total basis of a government. Like you said, they did not want men of the cloth screwing up politics ( a major factor for why they revolted in the first place) and they did not want the government to start cracking down on religion. It had absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Originally posted by Sky watcher

Originally posted by Someone336
reply to post by Sky watcher

 

If there is one thing that scares me more than the corporate takeover of this country, it is the idea that people like you can - and have - influenced public policy. Nothing in what you say actually gives a damn about the concept of freedom. For you, freedom is everyone thinking one way: your way.

We have it your way now, does it work? NO!! If everyone was taught the ways of Jesus then this country would be allot better off. It needs to be taught in schools so every kid gets to know the true right and wrong and how to live like a good person, NOT WHAT SOME LIBERAL TREE HUGGING DOPE SMOKING HIPPIE THINKS.

This country needs and enema and going back to the old way without Jesus would bring us right back to square one.

Jesus never brought harm to anyone, Only evil or wannabe sinners want a life without him. If you don't want Jesus in your life then I say move to Canada.

You realize that by today's right wing thought: Jesus was a " LIBERAL TREE HUGGING DOPE SMOKING HIPPIE".
You know: preaching love and inclusion regardless of class and race. Preaching self-sacrifice and compassion.
But I suppose you don't care about that.. So, please consider the following quotes in regard to "Bringing the country back to Jesus".
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"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. "
Thomas Paine

“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion”
George Washington (Treaty of Trippoli)

“Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
George Washington

"I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians."
Thomas Jefferson

"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion."
-Thomas Jefferson

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
Thomas Jefferson

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

"Article VI: Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."
Thomas Jefferson

I suspect none of that will matter either...

(edit, correcting syntax)

[edit on 2-1-2010 by lordtyp0]

Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by lordtyp0

 

The founding fathers did not hate religion. They saw no place for it in politics. Did you know that every cornerstone for every building in the national mall contains a bible within it? The founding fathers valued the Holy word very much but understood that it was not to be the total basis of a government. Like you said, they did not want men of the cloth screwing up politics ( a major factor for why they revolted in the first place) and they did not want the government to start cracking down on religion. It had absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Negative: They were Deists, they were fine with God, prob even loved God, but they despised Religion (ie: Churches). They saw them as institutes of corruption. I linked a whole bunch of quotes right before this reply that shows that case.

reply to post by lordtyp0


This country was founded by Christians who were tired of Catholics telling them what to do. Washington and most leaders were MASONS. Their sick cult believes all religions are good in one way or the other. They pray to god even though they wont say who he is.

I think we know by now their god is Satan.

Most of the good people who came over to build this new country were in fact very religious, They wanted to be in churches that taught the true ways of Jesus. They hated the heavy handed Catholics telling them lies as allot of us still do today.

Originally posted by DeathShield
Your opposition can either peacefully surrender or be forcefully arrested.

and your opposition being anyone trying to stop little dictators like you taking control...

Should they decide to violently resist arrest

So under what law can you arrest people? or dont you need a law...

you are then to use as little force as possible when apprehending them, killing them only out of self defense.

why are you arresting them?

The political prisoners are subject to the same rights as any other prisoner would be within the new system.

political prisoners being people opposing fascist wannabe dictators like you...

A temporary government is put in place in order to create the ground work for the new government

let me guess, you would appoint this so called "temporary government" from like minded tinpot little dictator wannabees.

and how long would this "temporary government" last for? 5 years? 10 years?

For example let's say they wanted to ban a religion, it would be up to the new government ( the one elected by the people) to un-ban that religion.

so this "temporary government" is not working under the constitution nor its amendments, they can do exactly what they want to do....

There are probably some finer points I am missing

No, you have made what you want very clear actually!

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Wow, what a long winded rant.
Boils down to exactly what most people think, you simply hate Obama and "progressives', can't accept the FACT that the right lost the election.
Bo hoo hoo.

Thank you for proving my point. I'm not a Republican. I'm equally angry at Bush. You had to lie about me rather than answer questions. Coward.

I clearly stated I'm an Independent. I clearly stated I'm non-violent.

Why are you afraid to face facts and discuss facts?

reply to post by whaaa


We need simply vote them out of power. New people will step forward. They exist and always have. They refuse to tow a Party Line and lie. We just need to wake up to who the real leaders are.

We were brainwashed into thinking only Democrats and Republicans can win. That is baloney and always has been. Voting for other people is not wasting a vote. That is the biggest lie. Voting for the same corrupt people is wasting your vote.

Originally posted by lordtyp0

Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by lordtyp0

 

The founding fathers did not hate religion. They saw no place for it in politics. Did you know that every cornerstone for every building in the national mall contains a bible within it? The founding fathers valued the Holy word very much but understood that it was not to be the total basis of a government. Like you said, they did not want men of the cloth screwing up politics ( a major factor for why they revolted in the first place) and they did not want the government to start cracking down on religion. It had absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Negative: They were Deists, they were fine with God, prob even loved God, but they despised Religion (ie: Churches). They saw them as institutes of corruption. I linked a whole bunch of quotes right before this reply that shows that case.

Ehhh i am wary of quotes attributed to the founding fathers. That aside i can agree with your point. I've often thought of the founding fathers as being Deists as well.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
reply to post by lordtyp0

 

This country was founded by Christians who were tired of Catholics telling them what to do. Washington and most leaders were MASONS. Their sick cult believes all religions are good in one way or the other. They pray to god even though they wont say who he is.

I think we know by now their god is Satan.

Most of the good people who came over to build this new country were in fact very religious, They wanted to be in churches that taught the true ways of Jesus. They hated the heavy handed Catholics telling them lies as allot of us still do today.

Negative, it was SETTLED-not founded-by Christians who left because religious persecution. The revolution was spearheaded, and the nation founded on secular ideals-given they were aware of how the Puritans were running things. The Founding Fathers wanted religious sentiments excluded from all forms of civil office.

But I dare say your sentiment is what makes the Tea-bag party so toxic to the wellfare of the U.S. The Cons just pay lip service to religion to gather more votes. If they were truely amongst the fundamentalist flock they would completely ignore and violate the constitution at every conceivable turn. After all they answer to a higher power than the citizenry.

Like Jesus said "Cannot have two masters, one either serves God or Mammon". In this case: God is God, and Mammon is the country.

The Government must remain neutral in all things religious because it would defacto lead to favoritism and a degradation of freedom.

Things are bad now with Money corruption because the politicos bow to the lobbyists. That is bad enough. Add a Christian form of Sharia on it, and you get hell on earth-with thermonuclear devices.

reply to post by dereks




And you are willfully misrepresenting my argument. Your lack of intellectual honesty is sickening.

reply to post by lordtyp0


Hey, didn't you know? Jesus sat on the board of a Fortune 500 and enjoys driving tanks through Muslim villages!

reply to post by Sky watcher


So riddle me this: what will happen to those who refuse to follow your demented Jesus Camp ideas?

And wouldn't you say that the majority of what Jesus preached fell in line with the Hippies?

Originally posted by DeathShield
And you are willfully misrepresenting my argument.

Where exactly am I doing that?

Your lack of intellectual honesty is sickening.

actually you are the one showing lack of intellectual honesty, your side lost and so you want to overthrow the current government and put someone else in

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