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Originally posted by kozmo
ALL of this could accomplished by not firing a single shot - if Americans would just grow a pair and STOP participating in the BS system!
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
Originally posted by endisnighe
Alright OP, time for my response, see if you can pick it apart so easily. Or if you will even try.
As you wish but this is not the intention of the thread.
Remember, you asked for it.
I wanted to learn from you, not debate you point for point.
Way too subjective, judicially impossible, conceptually unrealistic, ideologically schizophrenic.
I like the first third, but it seems all of a sudden that more than a little socialism is not such a bad thing after all then.
The profit distribution would have to be weighted according to some matrix that would reflect the real value, and the states balance would have to be based on reconciliation of that's states utilization of federal resources. (a natural disaster would break the State's economy using this policy)
The monetary system you propose, ignores, the fundamental change in what a commodity is, but you did say and other type, so we may come to terms on this one.
I agree 100%
More Socialism, actually closer to Communism, but, guess what, I agree, if we include religious organizations, private individual holdings external to the US, and foreign owned assets in the US.
Instant is again a pipe dream. Null and void in who's version of what Constitution, not if you mean the one you describe in clause 1. How about we use the one we have. But I agree about the contracts and bidding 100%
You mean make believe that we live in nirvana, and everybody loves us so much that they will not cause our destruction by proxy after we destabilize the globe, and surrender to China, Russia, and any other wannabe Superpower? No Efin way. But we could stop acting like imperialists and work with our allies to reduce our military presence on foreign soil to a minimum. We could also stop entering into wars for the profit of the MIC.
Here you are showing a lack of critical thinking and an ignorance of due process. Your tariff is a number you pulled out of your ear, and you would have to jail most of the people that own, and run the vehicles that drive the economy.
We need to have immigration reform that does not bankrupt the country, and that is in line with our moral fiber, and foundation as a Nation. You propose to process 12+ million people through a very complex judicial system, and adjudicate this all in 6 months. The only way to do that would be, concentration camps, gas, and ovens, and it would take years of ethnic cleansing to accomplish turning America into the Fourth Reich. There would be another Revolt, and it would be justified.
The Nation of Immigrants will allow no Immigration at all. We only allow people to Immigrate to be placed in jobs, and never if we have high unemployment. Sounds like the start of a caste system.
No. This Nation was created by and for Immigrants. First of all we already have quotas (LOOK IT UP). Second, who are you to want to supplant the core principles that this Nation has held as Sacred since we won our freedom from our British oppressors with some Orwellian second guessed policy rooted in xenophobia? Maybe you should be the one to leave if you hate America so much.
Would that not affect how we are received and perceived outside of the US? Would we not be considered a parasite Nation?
You are also forgetting or ignoring Religious persecution based refugees, and Racially and politically oppressed people? We are not a Nation of turncoats. I'm starting to see why you hate America.
Unabated "here" is another one of those totalitarian concepts you seem to need to satisfy you control addiction. How about? Responsible exploration etc.. with that change, I agree.
Unabated can be interpreted to include your personal property, the detriment of the environment, health of the Citizens, and the destruction of Nature and animal life to capitalize resources without due forethought and consideration for the consequences of irresponsible usage of Natural resources. I strongly disagree with this one.
As long as it does not include private personal information about the Citizenry, I would agree.
You will have to be more articulate here, a Corporation is just one of many legally defined entities. Do you know what an S.A. is? The reason Corporations exist is not only as a tax shelter. Economics is a complex discipline, you need to put in more time to come up with an equivalent facsimile in function of not in form. Look it up.
You are mixing 2 separate things.
GMO's fall within the realm of Science, let's allow Scientists to have more say than religious dogma, and ignorance/fear based Politically manufactured techno-phobia in our decision making process related to technology.
Crazy agricultural regulations should absolutely be repealed not reassessed.
Yes, Yes, Yes, but you do mean corrupt politicians, not the Mafia right?
Why? and what for, it's a pathetic excuse to abrogate the current one, that is used by racists and other extremists to undermine the Constitution, and the 13th amendment.
1. This would be stupid as according to your previous Corporate statute would have eliminated what a Corporation is. Look it up and also think it through.
2. See 1. And it's a nonsensical sentence that has no rational meaning.
Ask you English teacher.
17) Would you like me to go on?
No, spare me, you are not intellectually stimulating, and your big effort to stump me somehow with your wit, was you bringing a knife to a gunfight.
I have no interest in debating you, intellectually you are a dolt.
I do not intend to debate everyone here just for the asking, nor do I want to have pissing contests.
READ the OP. It was not an invitation to a free for all, off topic personal battle.
Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Sky watcher
All Mosques-Satanic churches will be smashed to the ground. God Jesus will be taught in all schools.
Gee, funny how all you loyal patriots, lovers of The Comstitution want to throw it right out the window and replace it's articulations of freedom with totalitarian/authoritarian draconion dictatorships.
Don't like freedom of religion huh? Just ONE of the freedoms the so called "patriots" don't like.
You guys are just deluded fools.
Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by bpg131313
4. All of Congress would be out on their ass. Before a new Congress was instilled, a vote would have to be held by the American people to add some new amendments to the Constitution.
Another tyrant whose first move would be to destroy the Constitution.
Yeah great, who "removes' Congress. Armed thugs? And you ignore The Constitutional process for Amendments. Great respect for The Consitution.
EVERY POST BY SO CALLED PATRIOTS CONSISTS OF FIRST DESTROYING THE CONSTITUTION AND REPLACING IT BY MOB RULE IN ORDER TO ENFORCE YOUR PERSONAL AGENDA BY FORCE OF ARMS!!
That is a dictatorship, a complete disregard for every hope and ambition the founders had for this nation, plus a spit in the face to everyone that has sacrificed to preserve our freedoms.