DNA evidence of ET?

RIGHT hang on hang on !
Just so I don't get this wrong !
This thread has gone 'on and on and on and on and on' for ELEVEN pages just to establish that your F**Kkn HUMAN ?

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Nope. and now he's threatening cyber stalking charges because we questioned his proof. I really don't understand his methods. Let the mods take care of it. Because if replying is cyber stalking, then I guess this whole website is illegal.

Actually, Gorman91 is lying through ommision. He's not telling the whole story.

You see, he and I talked about this issue for several weeks, He is still saying the exact thing he was in the beginning. Moveing in circles, grasping at straws. Missing the whole point. Misunderstanding the very nature of DNA biology, and data anaylsis.

I got to the point where I no longer wished to beat a dead horse; so I asked him to stop, and drop the subject. He didn't, I asked again, and again he didn't. Then I told him to stop, I didn't wish to continue the discussion. And, of course, he didn't. He has been following me whereever I post, and generaly harrassing me. So ... if the only way to get him to stop is have him arrested, so be it. It is not in my first choices of how to deal with this, but if he doesn't want to be reasonable, then neither shall I.

I would have been quite happy, and continued to discuss the issues with him if he had simply done his "due diligence", and made some, even remote, attempt to understand my hypothesis, but, alas, he has shown he only want to harrass the alien.

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Actually, unless your science is from the syfy channel, me being human hasn't been established. In face, I have shown that there are anomalies in my DNA that are a bit difficult to explain.

Course, if you are Gorman91, then having Indo-African DNA and being white is quite normal ... just like everyone else.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I got to the point where I no longer wished to beat a dead horse; so I asked him to stop, and drop the subject. He didn't, I asked again, and again he didn't. Then I told him to stop, I didn't wish to continue the discussion. And, of course, he didn't.

How about you ignore him? Maybe not reply to his posts? Or is that too much to ask?

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
So ... if the only way to get him to stop is have him arrested, so be it. It is not in my first choices of how to deal with this, but if he doesn't want to be reasonable, then neither shall I.

Good luck with that, you're gonna need it.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I would have been quite happy, and continued to discuss the issues with him if he had simply done his "due diligence", and made some, even remote, attempt to understand my hypothesis, but, alas, he has shown he only want to harrass the HUMAN (edited by LF8 for realism)

So, he wasn't willing to agree with you, ergo, he is harassing you? I find things that are not understandable impossible to understand, crazy how that works isn't it?

12 pages later and this thread is still as weak as it was on page 1.

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Perhaps your a 'throwback' ?
Perhaps if you hadn't bought a two-bob DNA DIY kit you might have got a truer result ? Your DNA whether it came back indo-african or Siouix-innuit ITS HUMAN !

Originally posted by LiveForever8

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I got to the point where I no longer wished to beat a dead horse; so I asked him to stop, and drop the subject. He didn't, I asked again, and again he didn't. Then I told him to stop, I didn't wish to continue the discussion. And, of course, he didn't.

How about you ignore him? Maybe not reply to his posts? Or is that too much to ask?

I have him on ignore now. Although, I don't feel that I should have to go that far. A truly reasonable person would stop when asked.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
So ... if the only way to get him to stop is have him arrested, so be it. It is not in my first choices of how to deal with this, but if he doesn't want to be reasonable, then neither shall I.

Good luck with that, you're gonna need it.


Well, I still hope it doesn't go that far. If it does it may be he that needs the luck.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I would have been quite happy, and continued to discuss the issues with him if he had simply done his "due diligence", and made some, even remote, attempt to understand my hypothesis, but, alas, he has shown he only want to harrass the HUMAN (edited by LF8 for realism)

So, he wasn't willing to agree with you, ergo, he is harassing you? I find things that are not understandable impossible to understand, crazy how that works isn't it?

12 pages later and this thread is still as weak as it was on page 1.

No. He was unwilling to stop when asked, repeatedly.

There is nothing "not understandable" about my hypothesis, it is quite simple and straight forward.

Look at the data, do your homework, it is all rather clear.

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Allow me to do the honers. I will be reasonable. He is now on my ignore list and His posts no more.

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Originally posted by ProRipp
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Perhaps your a 'throwback' ?

That thought has been covered.

Perhaps if you hadn't bought a two-bob DNA DIY kit you might have got a truer result ? Your DNA whether it came back indo-african or Siouix-innuit ITS HUMAN !

I'm guessing that you don't know the difference between a self-test kit and one that someone else (like a doctor, attorney, police, etc) uses. So here it is; If someone does the sample collection on their own, without proper witnesses, then the results aren't admissable in a court of law. If someone takes the sample themselves and it is witnessed by a Doctor, Lawer, Notery, and the proper chain of evidence papers accompany the sample, then it is admissable evidence in a court.

As for the actual testing; it is done with the same biological primers and on the same automated DNA Anaylizers. SO, either way, the results are the same and have the same reliability.

As to whether my DNA is actually Human, it is unknown.

I'll tell you what i can't believe !
You've got people in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com... talking about this sh1te !

You win ! You're an alien !
And I'm David Bowie and Iggy Pops lovechild !

There is another thing, that perhaps I should have stated from time to time, I didn't, and that is my bad.

It doesn't matter if you accept my evidence or not, what you choose to believe is up to you,

However, You don't need, nor have the right, to beat me about the head and shoulders with it if you don't accept it. The logical and proper thing to do is to simply reject it and move on. That is what Gorman91 didn't do, he chose to beat me with it until I had to do something to make him stop. I he is quite done, then perhaps we can both go on about our merry way, and live in peace.

Originally posted by countercounterculture
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there is his results..

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You see I did go to all that effort to check your evidence!

Also I found out a little more about DNA data and Omnipop:

From GeneBase
While the Omnipop program may provide some limited information, ancestry is not its main purpose and we caution against taking the results out of context. Thus, it could be misleading if one is using the program to search for ethnic origins.

From Rootsweb Forum
It seems that OmnPop is useful right now if one wants to know the
frequencies of various markers in different populations and because it
calculates the combined probability p(i) which is needed for PCT(i).

However, the bottom line is, at this time, don't use OmniPop to estimate
what population groups you might derive from.

From what I've read Omnipop isn't completely useless as a tool for estimating your ancestry, your allele counts are compared against the frequency of such occurances in certain populations, which indicates a probability of inheritence, but not definitive.

There is another program you might like to check, but its not free:

DNA Tribes
DNA Tribes is the only personal genetic analysis that compares your genetic profile to a population database that includes over 348,000 individuals from 1,040 populations

Also note that there is African American, European American, and Hispanic American hits.

Andras, You can check yourself how much you know about your ancestry, see if you can find and name your grandparents great grandparents, in total there should be 32 ancestors, if you can only find a couple of lines your father followed then you know there is a lot of other possibilities.

If Omnipop is accurate, I think there is still the large possibilities of gypsie, melungeon, or indian ancestry which explains your alleles called which are common to indians.

Basically Andras, I find this is not evidence you are an alien.
If you are an alien then you have the same nucliec acids which comprise earthling dna, you have it in the same composition as humans, you have the dna patterns (alleles) at the same markers (locus) as humans, and these alleles are the same patterns as humans. Also none of your alleles called are even rare for humans(ie less than 24 at D21S11)

Cheers
CCC

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I would like to bring this post back up from page four of the thread, because it was very good research that basically proves that the DNA service used CANNOT be used as evidence of anomalous DNA. Thank you.

~Daniel

Originally posted by Varemia

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I would like to bring this post back up from page four of the thread, because it was very good research that basically proves that the DNA service used CANNOT be used as evidence of anomalous DNA. Thank you.

~Daniel

I have to disagree, for this reason;

Omnipop represents a fairly significant crosssection of global populations based on autosomal DNA data. While it may not be as good as a true database (SQL based engine) it still does represent a good number of populations. The grouping of DNA by population is still valid, though in some cases I would agree it could be better.

However, you will notice that there are a large number of hits in the India region, and some "noise" elsewhere. This noise also seems to include Africa, however, in the Y-STR anaylsis it was found that my Haplotype was one mutation from Haplogroup "A" which is of African origin, thus validating the African hits. The other hits, primarily those of Europe, which would seem to be valid as well, have been confirmed as "noise" by checking with the European version of CODIS. In that search there were no group matches and the estimated probability of a match was placed at 5.0E-13, a rather small probability (Earth's population is 6.6E9). This is about 1 chance in the population of 10,000 Earths.

This data is what has lead me to hypothesize that my DNA is Indo-African. While this is yet to be confirmed with a mtDNA anaylsis, I feel very confidant that it will be confirmed. This is based on my knowledge of data behavior. (I am a software and data engineer)

There are those who will argue that Indo-African DNA is nothing special, and they are right. I am quite sure that there are millions of Indo-Africans living in the world today. My question is; how many of them "look" European? I have light skin, charcoal eyes, light - golden brown hair mixed with blond, and rather European features. I do not believe this is a combination that should exist in a "normal" Indo-African person. Thus the "misplaced DNA markers". I am currently developing a formal hypothesis based on my research into all of this, though, I am still lacking some data to finalize it.

Etharzi od Oma

So to summarize your logic:
- You present this thesis that you are an alien because you are a white-ie with Recessive African traits.

- This proves you are an Alien? Because none of that crap you made on your website gives any substance to give any proof of your "heritage"

- Even though you claim that you do not care if anyone is convinced of your "heritage" you still seem to wind up on these forums (quite aggressively) forcing your opinion on anyone who dares question you?

You see what I just mentioned fits quite well with individuals with personality disorders and I could go into details about this but I doubt you would even listen as "I have no credibility"

Can you see how this does not really make a whole lot of sense?

P.S. I can safely say that my credibility is fairly solid as I did attend college and graduate with a Bachelor Degree in Computer Science and did study classes in psychology so there is not much to question on that side of your argument

Oh and please just accept the truth.... you are human and no matter what you say and however many people you try to convince. Get on with your life and make something useful out of yourself instead of making it up!

Originally posted by s7ryk3r
So to summarize your logic:

While you may have a summary; it is no my logic, but rather yours. For you see, you have somehow completely misinterpreted what I said.

- You present this thesis that you are an alien because you are a white-ie with Recessive African traits.

No, that is not what I said.

If you had read and understood the DNA reports you would have seen that the Indo-African are not recessive, but dominate the report. The autosomal shows a very great deal of South ASian (India), and the Y DNA shows haplogroup "A", which is African. Further, if you read the correct pages you would have seen that there are no Indo-African traits present.

- This proves you are an Alien? Because none of that crap you made on your website gives any substance to give any proof of your "heritage"

Oh? DO tell! No, please; tell us why the data on my website has no substance. Tell us why it does not indicate "heritage".

You see what I just mentioned fits quite well with individuals with personality disorders and I could go into details about this but I doubt you would even listen as "I have no credibility"

Well now that you mention it; no you don't have any credibility in this instance.

1. You are not a professional psychologist.
2. You have conducted no tests to determine if I have any personality issues.
3. My psychologist would disagree with your diagnosis.

Can you see how this does not really make a whole lot of sense?

No ... it all makes perfect sense to me.

P.S. I can safely say that my credibility is fairly solid as I did attend college and graduate with a Bachelor Degree in Computer Science and did study classes in psychology so there is not much to question on that side of your argument

A B.S. degree, nice. How do you like the bottom of the barrel? Although, with my antique Masters (computer science and electrical engineering), it is probably a good thing I'm retired. I don't have to compete with people like you.

Oh and please just accept the truth.... you are human and no matter what you say and however many people you try to convince. Get on with your life and make something useful out of yourself instead of making it up!

Yes, acceptance of the truth is importand, and truth something you should learn to recognize. And as for making something of my life; I already have. I'd tell ya about, but you probably wouldn't accept that either. But, if you read back a few posts, you can see some of it.

Next time you read something, please try to make some effort to understand it. Even if it is over your head, there are plenty of places on the web that can at least begin to explain it all to you. That way you won't look foolish when you falsely condemn it.

Y'all have a nice night now, hear.

I just wanted to add:

I am fully aware how this sound to all of you. If it wasn't happening to me, I'd probably think the same as you.

There is however, a major difference between most reactions, and what I would do.

Most of you read my evidence, form a "knee jerk" opinion with little to no apparent research to know if any of it has merit. My reaction would, and has been to do as much reading and research as possible, and in my case, that research is on-going. This biology/DNA stuff is still for the most part way over my head, and I have two masters degrees (Computer Science and Electrical Engineering); so I do have considerable education.

I have also worked in the IT industry for nearly 40 years, and have retired a bit early. In that time I have learned much including how data behaves. While this does not neccessarily apply to DNA data, I have found that all data behaves in a very simular way.

Setting aside the personal experiences I have had with extraterrestrials. I have presented my data in good faith. I feel that these are far too important to be taken lightly. I also feel that it is incumbant upon you to treat this as seriously as I do.

The Human species in on the edge of moving off-planet. You have the knowledge and the technology. You have even built early systems that are capable of traveling to near by stars. You must neccessarily meet others soon.

As I said, I gave you this data in good faith, and all I have encountered is a troup of monkeys jerking their collective knee. Steadfastly refusing to even consider the data presented.

So please, do youeselves a favor and actually think about your reactions. Do your "due diligence". You owe this to yourselves and your species.

Etharzi od Oma

I think a knee jerk reaction would be just saying "this is crap" without putting any thought into it. Actually, the thought put into it is very deep. The thing you fail to note is that you are posting on a forum. While you may be highly intelligent and more advanced than the average human, the idea of trying to touch others with evidence that no average person can comprehend or has the patience to go into in depth research for, it's just plain backward. The only people that could possibly logically believe you are extremely accredited DNA specialists who agree with your findings, or people who are susceptible to any well presented text presented to them. One thing I am learning "right now" in college is how to persuade people to believe you with rhetoric. This could be all you're doing and there is no way to prove it aside from your own possible future admittance. If you want to make a real difference in people's minds, don't try to convince them of things. Just do things, real things, and see the positive results.

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the idea of trying to touch others with evidence that no average person can comprehend or has the patience to go into in depth research for, it's just plain backward.

I'm sorry, I just can't accept this. I know several "average" humans that have little trouble grasping the basics of what I'm saying. What I see with your "average person", is laziness. People who read and post here are more than intelligent enough to understand the basics, they just want their "proof" handed to them on a guilded platter, complete with the endorsement of some unknown "expert". They don't want to put in the work to understand what is being said to them.

And, then, they 'think' they have earned the right to attack me and my data. They have accused me of just about everything from lying, to fraud, to being mentally unstable; none of which is true. And, not a single one of them has ever presented an intelligent, thought out rebuttal to my data.

There have been a few, very few, who have tried to rebutt my data, but, then they attempt to reduce the data until it "fits" what they want to see. Another, rather young person, who gets most of his science from the modern day equivalent of Comic Books has also tried, but still failed utterly. His major problem, along with everyone else; laziness. And, a general refusal to do their "due diligence", and learn a little.

As I said; this issue is far too important to go the lazy route. The entire future of your species could be affected. And, at the very least disclosure could be brought about.

I would hope that everyone can comprehend the importance of disclosure.

So ... is it backward to expect people to have a little regard for their home, their species, and themselves? If that is indeed the case, then your species is truly lost, and will probably become extinct soon. And that; is a crime.

Etharzi od Oma.

What I'm saying is that, as an intelligent person myself, I have no background in genetics and DNA analysis. Reading what you write, it can make sense, but I have no way to verify your conclusions without spending a very long time studying the subject and becoming somewhat of an expert. I simply have to take your word for it, which is hard to do because of the nature of the internet and the people who use it.

Well said Varemia, as you mentioned we could waste our time attempting to "debunk" all of this but it is really not worth my time either.

His insulting remarks attempting to annoy me are really quite juvenile which I find surprising as he claims to have such an extended education but given the circumstances I doubt he is telling the truth.

Really I dont think anyone really cares what you say you are, most people commenting probably find this more amusing than anything. That fact that you claim to be an alien is just asinine and what makes this all the more humorous is how serious you really are about it! Saying you will press internet charges is a good example.... who does this, I mean really??

Although I am already bored of this conversation as you have brought nothing of interest to me so please drop your rudimentary remarks and get over yourself.

Ok Anthra, I'm back. I've thought more about the Ramen test and after much thought, I've decided against it? Why? Your argument will simply be that your "species" is so similar to humans that you will register as human. This makes the test a waste of time and resources.

Now are you saying your biological father is a human being? Or are you stating that he is an alien? Now if you claim both parents are alien then there is a cheap and easy soloution. A paternity test with your "adoptive" father. This would do a couple of things. It could prove he is your father, or that he isn't your father. Which means you could be adopted or your mother had an extramarital affair, and you were the offspring.

www.gfilaboratory.com...

$69 bucks for the paternity test.

If you claim your biological father is human and your mother is alien and you are some sort of hybrid then we need a maternity test.

www.gtldna.com...

$110 bucks or you can do paternity and maternity on this sight for $125 total. So It would be a simple and inexpensive process to determine if the people who raised you are actually your biological parents. That could potentially end the debate.

If those fail to establish your biological parents or you just want to confirm your humanity or alien lineage you need a MtDna test. $159 or $299 for full spectrum MtDna with genealogy.

Now, everything about your previous test gives the indication that your father is human. So I would imagine sorting out mom is the issue.

As far as your caucasian appearance and apparent Indian lineage there is a possibility that your legal parents are your biological parents.

In 2005, scientists discovered a tiny mutation in a gene that plays a key role in determining skin color, with Caucasians inheriting a different version than other groups. The gene—named slc245a5—was discovered in a cancer research study using zebrafish, which have the same gene and come in dark and light skin versions. Slc245a is believed to be responsible for between 25 and 38 percent of the color variation between Europeans and Africans.

Researchers found that people in Africa and China have one variation of slc245a5 and people of European ancestry have another. The research indicated that the dark version was the original and the light version evolved as humans migrated from Africa into northern areas and is consistent with a theory that lighter skin evolved as an adaption to weaker sunlight.

On the relevance of this finding to race, Gregory Barsh of Stanford University told the Times of London: “The paper indicates how the genetics of skin color variation is quite different from, and not be confused with, the concept of race...One of the most obvious characteristics that distinguishes different humans is nothing more than a simple change in the activity of a protein expressed in pigment cells. Skin color does not equal race period.”


factsanddetails.com...

So there is an explanation for your appearance conflicting with your haplogrouping. More info...

www.ask.com...

While people who don't bother reading much insist that Caucasians originated in the Caucusus Mountain region (Iran, Iraq, Russia, etc.) they actually originated in India. One proof of this is that almost all languages of Europe are Indo-European (mixture of Indian and European languages).

So, Indian women (and men too) are Caucasian (being the originators of the "white" race) but they are also Asian. If you dig into country histories, the original peoples of Japan were white, not yellow. Those people have been pushed northward in the Japanese Islands and are considered, by the Japanese, as being inferior. In the Philippines and in Australia, the original people were black, the Negritoes in the Philippines and Bushmen in Australia.

Go to national geogrpahic and look up "GLobe of Human history" then click migration stories. It will explain why there is a rather mundane explanation to your quandry.

YOu may also contact the School of chemical sciences at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. They did a very interesting study on the phenomenon.

Now that there is a very plausible explanation as to why you are human and have the markers that you do, the only thing left is paternity/maternity and MTDna. So for $125 you can prove that these are not your parents. Or drop the $299 on the MtDna and prove mom isn't human.

Just for reference I was initially going to have a ramen spectro test performed to see whether his blood would be identified as human. I was called out of town for an extended period.. After much thought I decided it was a complete waste of time. It took a few months but I found a plausible explanation for the variance and a cheap way to move the story along.