reply to post by AnthraAndromda
All I read is mysticism there and not much science. I keep my beliefs minimum and simplistic and my science pure. I really fail to see what you are
talking about. In terms of emotions, less is more. Anger has a rare place. It may be needed sometimes, but I have failed to yet see its need. Fear I
see a need for but I've eliminated it from my mind. I pay the price by sometimes not fearing what I should.
Fire? Earth? Water? Air? These are not elements nor forces nor anything. Fire is just reaction. Chemical break down. Water is one of many many
liquids. It is a versatile chemical, but that is because of the hydrogen atoms. Earth is just rot. Dead animals, plants, etc etc. It's rock. It's
technically everything on the periodic table. Air is just air. A thousand years before it was different and a thousand years from now it will be
different. When you say air, what do you mean? Oxygen? because that air did not exist if you go back far enough. Just gas in general? What's so
Jesus is not in this at all. Jesus was God say FU to humanity. Take a gander at the last 2000 years of human history. Any serious miracles? Any big
time "that was God" events? Anything spectacular at all other then humans killing humans? You read the OT and all you see is God doing something big
every 300 years or so. Then Jesus comes, says peace out, and the planet pretty much dies in terms of biblical scale events. God's done. Oh sure I
believe in miracles and I see them quite a lot. But in terms of prophets and armies and big time miracles? Dead. Nothing's changed. In fact after
Jesus there was a digression of knowledge and technology. Indeed it should have spurned at least 4 more books for the Bible. But nope. Dead.
If ever I had proof the Bible is true it is that this planet has been dead in terms of OT miracles, just like Jesus said. Jesus said peace out,
nothing by waiting from here on out. And what's happened since then? Pretty much just that.
I have seen men waste their entire lives meditating like they were going to ascend or something. I have seen other men driven to atheism because they
simply stopped caring. I am giving you the best advice in saying mysticism and magic and all that hollabajee is nonsense. Humans are sacks of flesh
with a a few bits of electricity to run them. They live, they breed, they die. Life has no grand mystery or point to it. There is no "what's the
answer to life the universe and everything. The universe is death. All things die, and all people know everything dies. You will die. If you are an
alien, your empire will die. Humanity will be extinct in a century or two. All things die and are forgot.
As the good stoic Marcus Aurelius said:
"Or is it your reputation that's bothering you? But look at how soon we're all forgotten. The abyss of endless time that swallows it all. The
emptiness of those applauding hands."
You, your kind. Mine my kind. We are all damned and doomed on our own. The universe will decay. Matter will become photons and protons, those protons
will decay into photons, and all the photons will decay into ever smaller pieces until space time reabsorbs them all together. Dark matter will decay,
dark energy will decay. Eventually the whole of the universe will come crashing down and the machine that is the universe will fail, stall, and die.
Space time will no longer stretch nor expand. Like a woman's old skin it will shrivel and die and the whole that is known will come squeezing into a
ball once more and become nothingness, compressed and destroyed. Perhaps another from some other dimension will set off some bomb on the machine, or
perhaps God will reset the timer and let the system restart. Either way, you and I will be nothing and all we were will be gone. If we have spirits or
souls or whatever you wish to call them, they too will be gone and dead.
Somebody once described Christianity as basically mankind's hardware being broken, so our software will be put on God's hardware until the repairman
arrives. Pretty much makes sense to me.
I know what you are going to tell me. It's all speculation, you don't know that, etc etc.
Well I am going to flip a coin here and simply tell you I am pretty sure I do know this.
You mentioned telepathy in another thread. And that you can communicate with others etc etc. You said humans can too but they shun it to turn off from
As I told you. For as long as I can remember, if all is silent I can hear ever so slightly thousands upon thousands of voiced talking. I believe this
to be a state of meditation where I begin to dream, and my thoughts and recollections begin to flood my consciousness and I can pick and chose. If it
is, however, what you are talking about, then I have to say that I am right under your own logic. After all, where do you suppose I got all these
ideas for inventions and philosophy and religion? From out of the blue? Nay sir. From that twilight state of consciousness. I listen in and hear and
learn from it. As I said. If you are right, then I am tapping directly into the very thoughts and ideas of the whole universe. But if I am right, and
I have far more better a belief that I am, then it is nothing more then the state where I can hear every thought that I've ever had at once. A
library of personal experiences and knowledge picked up on from around me.
In the end, I am what I am because of this. The sources of what I say is that.
So while you can do all the things you do and have every right to do them in any belief system you chose, I think you should ask this one question. If
I am on the right path and have been doing this for 40 years, why is this kid probably less than a third of my age already doing it and been through
all this thought that I have had.
I think you should ponder that one. Chi, lucid dreaming, prayer, meditation, magic. Whatever you wish to call it. I've tried it and gotten as far as
people who claim to been doing this for 40 years. So either I am some crazy biological freak or it just doesn't pay to waste your life away doing
something that does nothing for you in the end. That said I believe in prayer, just not that it is observable.
There isn't anything special about life other than the fact it ends. You can say there is this or that and magic and mysticism and something special
that machines don't have, but at the end of the day we're all a monkey's uncle and a second away from destruction. There's no reason to believe in
any of this because nobody's ever really been observed doing anything. And at the end of the day, we're all going to die anyway. Why bother
pretending anything matters or is important or that your special those or special that. A thousand years from now nobody will remember either of us.
Even our graves will be dust. We're all obsolete to the machine anyway, and the machine is obsolete to something even stronger.
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