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No the live experiments will not use a calorimeter due to practical reasons - instead Joules 1st Law will be applied to calculate heat ouput.
However we will be publishing full calorimeter tests before the end of January - you will be able to download these from our site.
Okay, but don't you find it kind of suspicious that they refuse to take the measurements during the live demo? That was kind of the whole point of the live demo in the first place, wasn't it?
Yes, and if you READ the entire statement from them, they said they WILL provide a report of their actual measurements, but that they will not do the measurements during their live demos.
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Originally posted by djcubed
During January we will be doing a sequence of live experiments - these will be streamed and then posted on our YouTube channel. The sequence is as follows: (1) Confirming that all the electrical energy input into an eOrbo interaction is output as heat. (2) Confirming that there is no change in the domain energy of the components that make up an eOrbo interaction. (3) Input to Output measurements - confirming eOrbo is Over Unity. Thats the sequence - if you have any (rational) requests with respect to the first of the above three experiments, please post them in this thread.
Steorn Forum Here
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Originally posted by Matyas
reply to post by MajorDisaster
What I mean is this is more than an empirical issue. This is where current theory fails.
Yesterday I turned 46. I started working with electricity at 6. So I have been at it for 40 years. My first introduction to the "free energy" movement was by a friendly stranger at my grandmother's house when I parked cars for the football games. I think I was in sixth grade. Pursued it on my own since then, was the first to build a logic gate in my school in seventh grade science.
Wait, I am going somewhere with this.
Around that time a peer, I remember his name as Duke Buster, had a dad who was an electrical engineer. He had asked me at the beginning of the year if I knew how a capacitor works, because he saw I was in G&T and didn't think I should be there if I didn't know. After I built the logic gate, he returned with the same question, and I failed again. Well, when working with two conflicting theories, it is impossible to tell the correct one without more information. I was working with both the Air Force version and standard EE model.
Now let me tell you all I never figured out how a capacitor worked until this year. This is because we lack a complete theory of emf. Those gents Bedini and Bearden are as clueless as sailors on a ship at sea without a compass in a storm without this understanding, and are ultimately doomed to fail in obtaining peer acceptance regarding any breakthroughs no matter how many times lab results show positive results, they don't have the language much less a complete theory to describe what is going on!
Now I will reveal the the correct theory. I did not discover it, but I discovered the one who did, and that is close enough for government work.
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Of course if anyone is interested in the person,
Ivor Catt
Even if empirical results and theory are important, which they are, the path to mainstream acceptance lies in an education curriculum. Without an entrenched curriculum for the theory it cannot be taught successfully, AND THEREFORE WILL NEVER BE PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD.
In other words all of you must lead yourselves out of the wilderness. Teach yourselves, then teach others.
Happy new year, and with luck, a new era.
"Now in Maxwell's theory there is the potential energy of the displacement produced in the dielectric parts by the electric force, and there is the kinetic or magnetic energy of the magnetic induction due to the magnetic force in all parts of the field, including the conducting parts. They are supposed to be set up by the current in the wire. We reverse this; the current in the wire is set up by the energy transmitted through the medium around it...."
The importance of Heaviside's phrase, "We reverse this;" cannot be overstated for digital designers. It points to the watershed between the 'practical electricians', who have held sway for the last half century, promulgating their theory - which we shall call "Theory N", the Normal Theory: that the cause is electric currents in wires and electromagnetic fields are merely an effect - and the 'ethereals', who believe what we shall call "Theory H": that the travelling field is the cause, and electric currents are merely an effect of these fields.
The situation is of course obscured by the many who claim that it is immaterial which causes which. However, experience shows that it is damaging to ignore causality when trying to assemble reliable digital systems.
Originally posted by MajorDisaster
It would be a lot more convincing if they allowed independent third parties to take measurements during the actual demo.
Originally posted by Matyas
Now let me tell you all I never figured out how a capacitor worked until this year. This is because we lack a complete theory of emf. Those gents Bedini and Bearden are as clueless as sailors on a ship at sea without a compass in a storm without this understanding, and are ultimately doomed to fail in obtaining peer acceptance regarding any breakthroughs no matter how many times lab results show positive results, they don't have the language much less a complete theory to describe what is going on!
Originally posted by digifanatic
Third: The recreation of the Steorn device doesn't have a motor...it IS the motor. The battery powers the circiut that powers the torroidal coils. This creates a push/pull effect on the magnets on the wheel. The wheel in the back of the machine is to be attached to a generator. For the people saying that you can't see where the wires go to...did you look at the site? I'll post it again: jnaudin.free.fr....
Fourth: fyi: I believe the story about Tesla finding out about radiant energy was in a DC power plant that was being turned up.
Originally posted by MajorDisaster
You're right. The Steorn device is just an electromagnetic motor. But if they've found a way to eliminate the back-EMF, they should be able to add a generator in and have it generating power too.
Yeah, the Westinghouse plant, that Tesla designed himself.