4 police officers shot dead in Wash., page 4
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reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 02:08 PM by elevatedone
reply to post by mr-lizard



I didn't say there are not bad cops. I said that it is ignorant to label them all as bad.


My being a mod has nothing to with me posting in this thread either.



reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 02:09 PM by TeddiRevolution
reply to post by elevatedone



Ignorance? Ignorance would be to say that every police officer is an upstanding morally correct citizen. There is no "WAGON" here to jump on. How many threads have there been in the past few months about cops tazering children, killing teenagers and operating outside of the law for the hell of it?

Many.

What about the video evidence that goes with almost every one article? What about their punishment? "Suspension with pay", it makes me sick. Forget the corrupt justice system. As this country slides deeper into a hole, I think that instances like this where people take matters into their own hands will occur more frequently.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 02:22 PM by TheRedneck
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

It looks to me like we have a lot of questions but precious few answers. I would also suppose to add that these answers, when available, are going to come from Law Enforcement; who else would even know? Will there be a cover-up? Possibly, but for now there is no evidence of such that I can see.

But what is bothering me is the extreme amount of jumping to conclusions here, I'm all for exercise (as long as someone else does it ), but let's be honest here: Who here knows these cops? Who here has inside knowledge of what kind of people they were?

That's right; people. These were people, just like everyone reading this is a people. The only difference between them and you is the job they do.

As I said before, the possibilities are endless. It could have been a total looney-tunes that went nuts and thought the uniforms were from an alien invasion. It could have been a guy who snapped after getting a traffic ticket. It could have been a hit made because of a busted drug deal. It could have been revenge for an act committed by unscrupulous people in uniform. It could have been mistaken identity. It could have been something I haven't even mentioned. No one knows at this point.

I keep hearing about how the cops only see 'perps', and about police brutality, and about police making bad situations worse. You're right; sometimes that happens. Heck, it's happened to me! But unless you want to be as bad as the 'bad apples' you mention, I'd be real careful about taking the same stereotypical views you accuse others of. You get rid of bad apples by throwing them out, not by jumping in the barrel with them.

'Innocent until proven guilty'. Now there's a joke! So far I have seen tons of guilty verdicts, when all we know is that someone shot 4 people in uniform in a coffee shop. Wow, am I glad you guys aren't sitting on my jury! After all, I'm sure a good prosecuting attorney could come up with plenty of stereotypes for me! And since evidence isn't really needed if a stereotype suffices, that would mean I could get the death penalty for jaywalking.

Until these people are shown to be involved in something underhanded, or at least until these people are indicated to be possibly involved in something untoward, heck, until we know the names of these people, perhaps we should back off the cop-bashing. Lest we become the next group to be stereotyped to the point that first-degree murder becomes an acceptable method to deal with us.

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 02:31 PM by chiron613
Originally posted by andy1033
Still why is it news. Police are mostly murderers. So who knows who they upset.


This comment is utter crap. It infuriates me to see such utter garbage posted as some sort of "justification" of murder. Murder is wrong, no matter who it is who is murdered.

Most policemen go through their entire careers without ever firing their weapons in anger. Most policemen get through their entire careers without ever having to kill or badly injure anyone. So how does that make the police "mostly murderers"?

Every time the police shoot someone, there is national coverage. That's good - it should be like that. Police misconduct should never be tolerated, and it should be widely publicized whenever it happens. Unfortunately, such publicity gives us an extremely warped understanding of what the police do.

Every single day, police throughout the country perform millions of acts of heroism, kindness, and assistance to citizens. They walk into dark alleys, abandoned buildings, dangerous neighborhoods, trying to apprehend dangerous criminals. They perform "welness checks" on seniors and disabled people. They do what they can to get the mentally ill into hospitals or at least off the streets for the night (during cold weather). They try to help "at risk" kids avoid ruining their lives.

I live in Chicago. I worked for an attorney who specialized in police misconduct cases, who is the scourge of the Chicago police (he won a verdict of $28 million for a case where police left a man in a "locked in" state, unable to move a musscle). I've seen police misconduct first-hand. There are some bad apples, some bullies and thugs and criminals in the police force. They are rare, and they are repeat offenders. The crimes against citizens are committed by the same thugs. Most of their fellow officers disapprove of their behavior and do what they can to stop it or mitigate it. Because their lives may depend on these thugs coming to their aid, they don't generally turn them in.

In my experence - here in Chicago, which has a reputation of corrupt and violent cops - most police are hard-working, honest, and dedicated people. They have a difficult, dangerous, and thankless job. They aren't paid all that much to do this job.

Your sig says that those who read the newspapers know less than those who read nothing, and I agree. And yet you fall for the typical MSM bull about evil murderous police. It's just not true. Such crimes are rare and not representative of what the vast majority of the police do every single day. It sells papers and air time, but it's pure crap.

For every bad cop - and yes, they do exist - there are many thousands of good cops. Anyone who says otherwise is full of crap.


reply posted on 29-11-2009 @ 02:35 PM by pigwithoutawig
reply to post by blupblup



Yea that's the one blupblup. Thankyou. I stand corrected on the location. so the cop quit eh, I suppose it's safer to do that than wait for someone to sneek up and execute you. Who knows , maybe the latest attack is in response to something like that. Maybe the people are seeing these things on vid and are getting fed up. I don't know but I think cops see all of us as potential suspects and aren't afraid to use force. Maybe people are getting fed up. I don't know! This could be way off the mark. I'm sorry for the friends and family of these cops. But I'll reserve my opinion on these 4 until we get some more info. But if there were 2 shooters then I think that changes things a lot.
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