reply to post by ~Lucidity
So what is the link between birds dying, bees dying and trees dying?
You can't say that just because they died it all must be from the same thing, you need to find and show the link. Is it a particular chemical or a
combination of chemicals or something else?
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reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 07:04 AM by randyvs
reply to post by Chadwickus
See but you can't know this for certain.
No I didn't know that about the boats.
Just so you know I would really appreciate being handed my azz on this
topic.
[edit on 24-11-2009 by randyvs]
The turning on and off is due to variances in air pressure, temperature, humidity etc etc.
See but you can't know this for certain.
No I didn't know that about the boats.
Just so you know I would really appreciate being handed my azz on this
topic.
[edit on 24-11-2009 by randyvs]
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 07:12 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by ChemBreather
What's being spread all over the world by aircraft?
That's an easy one.
dihyrogen monoxide.
What's being spread all over the world by aircraft?
That's an easy one.
dihyrogen monoxide.
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 07:15 AM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Chadwickus
I don't know but I wish I had the time and resources to find out. My theory is that there just might be "spraying" around the times of their dying. My other theory (particularly with the bees) is that their food sources aren't "real" anymore...i.e. GM foods.
I don't know but I wish I had the time and resources to find out. My theory is that there just might be "spraying" around the times of their dying. My other theory (particularly with the bees) is that their food sources aren't "real" anymore...i.e. GM foods.
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 07:22 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by randyvs
No you're right, I can't prove that, nor can I conclusively prove that chemtrails are a myth. On the flipside, there is no conclusive proof that chemtrails exist either.
I just think that if chemtrails have been sprayed over all these years, there would be someone speaking up about it or consistent data collected showing similar levels showing up all over the world of a particular product or chemical.
No you're right, I can't prove that, nor can I conclusively prove that chemtrails are a myth. On the flipside, there is no conclusive proof that chemtrails exist either.
I just think that if chemtrails have been sprayed over all these years, there would be someone speaking up about it or consistent data collected showing similar levels showing up all over the world of a particular product or chemical.
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 07:37 AM by Adolf Springer
reply to post by ATC_GOD
Do you realise how arrogant you sound?
You are, most likely, ONE air traffic controller in ONE small area, of ONE country.
And somehow that makes YOU a supreme 'bullcrap' detector!
My friends and I have witnessed contrails and chemtrails/cloudseeding for many years now and personally, I'm under the impression that these are military flights (due to the lack of any fixed routine/routing). As I have travelled the globe from Australia to Argentina via India and Europe, it is unquestionable that certain areas are higher up on the chemtrail list. In my experience, it's more common over military and urban areas and also more common in westernised countries. I have also spent considerable in areas where (according to the locals) they apparently NEVER spray. Can't really comment on oceanic chemtrails.
I have though, seen the way that sometimes a specific location is targeted. It can clearly be seen that as the planes arrive, their discharge begins. This may last during the daylight hours (but sometimes at night) for one or more days, however afterwards, often, not a single jet graces the same area of sky for what can be many days or many weeks.
Let me tell everyone a very true story.
In Italy, they all have their holiday in August. Several friends were on watch and NOT ONE trail was observed in the whole month, an astonishing period for no chemtrail/C'seeding activity. On the last sunday of the month however, like clockwork, the skies were absolutely blitzed on the west coast and what had been a fantastic month on the beaches turned into a cloudy, rainy mess. Everyone who had been defiantly stating that they would stay on the beaches, went away dejected. Perhaps you wish to tell me that it was all natural and merely the Catholic God making it rain to ensure all the good plebiscites went back to work after their allocated one month break! Personally, I call it deliberate cloud seeding.
On a different note, I've also seen friends' chembusters clear the smog from entire cities within hours (Prague, Berlin, Milan and London amongst them) which if your story was correct, just wouldn't happen.
As for Oz Weatherman, he is very good at bombarding people with numbers but he seems far too set in his OWN opinions to help this topic progress.
Some people seem to think that because they are 'experts' in their field that they know it all.. Don't they?
Communication is a two way thing and the most valuable lesson anyone can learn is to LISTEN, and not just talk.
Need I remind you just how many scientific/technological breakthroughs are constantly being made by unqualified outsiders. If you get too wrapped up in your own game, it often is the case that for all your certificates and diplomas, you cannot see the wood for the trees!
Sunshine makes people happy and more importantly, HEALTHY (in fact sunshine is said to be the BEST flu cure). Cloud cover brings misery, illness and depression (vital ingredients if you plan anything outrageous such as human depopulation).
Maybe they NEVER spray in your area? But you must accept that it's a big world out there, and millions of people ARE witnessing chemtrails/cloudseeding pollute their blue skies.
Just who are we supposed to believe? You, or our lying eyes?
Do you realise how arrogant you sound?
You are, most likely, ONE air traffic controller in ONE small area, of ONE country.
And somehow that makes YOU a supreme 'bullcrap' detector!
My friends and I have witnessed contrails and chemtrails/cloudseeding for many years now and personally, I'm under the impression that these are military flights (due to the lack of any fixed routine/routing). As I have travelled the globe from Australia to Argentina via India and Europe, it is unquestionable that certain areas are higher up on the chemtrail list. In my experience, it's more common over military and urban areas and also more common in westernised countries. I have also spent considerable in areas where (according to the locals) they apparently NEVER spray. Can't really comment on oceanic chemtrails.
I have though, seen the way that sometimes a specific location is targeted. It can clearly be seen that as the planes arrive, their discharge begins. This may last during the daylight hours (but sometimes at night) for one or more days, however afterwards, often, not a single jet graces the same area of sky for what can be many days or many weeks.
Let me tell everyone a very true story.
In Italy, they all have their holiday in August. Several friends were on watch and NOT ONE trail was observed in the whole month, an astonishing period for no chemtrail/C'seeding activity. On the last sunday of the month however, like clockwork, the skies were absolutely blitzed on the west coast and what had been a fantastic month on the beaches turned into a cloudy, rainy mess. Everyone who had been defiantly stating that they would stay on the beaches, went away dejected. Perhaps you wish to tell me that it was all natural and merely the Catholic God making it rain to ensure all the good plebiscites went back to work after their allocated one month break! Personally, I call it deliberate cloud seeding.
On a different note, I've also seen friends' chembusters clear the smog from entire cities within hours (Prague, Berlin, Milan and London amongst them) which if your story was correct, just wouldn't happen.
As for Oz Weatherman, he is very good at bombarding people with numbers but he seems far too set in his OWN opinions to help this topic progress.
Some people seem to think that because they are 'experts' in their field that they know it all.. Don't they?
Communication is a two way thing and the most valuable lesson anyone can learn is to LISTEN, and not just talk.
Need I remind you just how many scientific/technological breakthroughs are constantly being made by unqualified outsiders. If you get too wrapped up in your own game, it often is the case that for all your certificates and diplomas, you cannot see the wood for the trees!
Sunshine makes people happy and more importantly, HEALTHY (in fact sunshine is said to be the BEST flu cure). Cloud cover brings misery, illness and depression (vital ingredients if you plan anything outrageous such as human depopulation).
Maybe they NEVER spray in your area? But you must accept that it's a big world out there, and millions of people ARE witnessing chemtrails/cloudseeding pollute their blue skies.
Just who are we supposed to believe? You, or our lying eyes?
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 08:02 AM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Adolf Springer
Exactly. I've seen them turn to sylphs as well due to orgone generators. To be honest that made me question things, including my own sanity, more. I'm loving the standard explanations about contrails and WWII contrails and weather. I've seen 50 years of weather, and something's changing.
Other theories about why that I've run across? The blue sky wavers quite obviously in certain cities due to the Tesla shield being in place and this would panic people so they shield it. And of course if we're talking about shields, there's always the covering up doing up in space one. Military chaff to muck up radar is another...though why anyone would need to do this is a huge discussion on its own.
As for collecting samples, I think whoever is doing this for whatever reason or reasons is probably in constant experimental mode, and so the contents might often change. Once after a particularly heavy week of spraying, all cars here were covered in a weird slime. Another time, years earlier, a strange fungus grew up overnight.
Again, I don't know if someone is intentionally trying to make us sick or what they're doing, but they're definitely doing something. And as benevolent as things may or may not be, something in some human psyches does tend to try to weaponize everything, just as some will stick to their own theories at all costs, no matter what they see or haven't seen, so I'm remaining open and vigilant on the matter.
Exactly. I've seen them turn to sylphs as well due to orgone generators. To be honest that made me question things, including my own sanity, more. I'm loving the standard explanations about contrails and WWII contrails and weather. I've seen 50 years of weather, and something's changing.
Other theories about why that I've run across? The blue sky wavers quite obviously in certain cities due to the Tesla shield being in place and this would panic people so they shield it. And of course if we're talking about shields, there's always the covering up doing up in space one. Military chaff to muck up radar is another...though why anyone would need to do this is a huge discussion on its own.
As for collecting samples, I think whoever is doing this for whatever reason or reasons is probably in constant experimental mode, and so the contents might often change. Once after a particularly heavy week of spraying, all cars here were covered in a weird slime. Another time, years earlier, a strange fungus grew up overnight.
Again, I don't know if someone is intentionally trying to make us sick or what they're doing, but they're definitely doing something. And as benevolent as things may or may not be, something in some human psyches does tend to try to weaponize everything, just as some will stick to their own theories at all costs, no matter what they see or haven't seen, so I'm remaining open and vigilant on the matter.
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 08:02 AM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Adolf Springer
Exactly. I've seen them turn to sylphs as well due to orgone generators. To be honest that made me question things, including my own sanity, more. I'm loving the standard explanations about contrails and WWII contrails and weather. I've seen 50 years of weather, and something's changing.
Other theories about why that I've run across? The blue sky wavers quite obviously in certain cities due to the Tesla shield being in place and this would panic people so they shield it. And of course if we're talking about shields, there's always the covering up doing up in space one. Military chaff to muck up radar is another...though why anyone would need to do this is a huge discussion on its own.
As for collecting samples, I think whoever is doing this for whatever reason or reasons is probably in constant experimental mode, and so the contents might often change. Once after a particularly heavy week of spraying, all cars here were covered in a weird slime. Another time, years earlier, a strange fungus grew up overnight.
Again, I don't know if someone is intentionally trying to make us sick or what they're doing, but they're definitely doing something. And as benevolent as things may or may not be, something in some human psyches does tend to try to weaponize everything, just as some will stick to their own theories at all costs, no matter what they see or haven't seen, so I'm remaining open and vigilant on the matter.
Exactly. I've seen them turn to sylphs as well due to orgone generators. To be honest that made me question things, including my own sanity, more. I'm loving the standard explanations about contrails and WWII contrails and weather. I've seen 50 years of weather, and something's changing.
Other theories about why that I've run across? The blue sky wavers quite obviously in certain cities due to the Tesla shield being in place and this would panic people so they shield it. And of course if we're talking about shields, there's always the covering up doing up in space one. Military chaff to muck up radar is another...though why anyone would need to do this is a huge discussion on its own.
As for collecting samples, I think whoever is doing this for whatever reason or reasons is probably in constant experimental mode, and so the contents might often change. Once after a particularly heavy week of spraying, all cars here were covered in a weird slime. Another time, years earlier, a strange fungus grew up overnight.
Again, I don't know if someone is intentionally trying to make us sick or what they're doing, but they're definitely doing something. And as benevolent as things may or may not be, something in some human psyches does tend to try to weaponize everything, just as some will stick to their own theories at all costs, no matter what they see or haven't seen, so I'm remaining open and vigilant on the matter.
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 09:40 AM by ChemBreather
reply to post by Adolf Springer
I was just watching this YT when I read your Comment.
I have Tanker Enamy on my Subs.. Sheck it out..
I was just watching this YT when I read your Comment.
I have Tanker Enamy on my Subs.. Sheck it out..
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reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 09:47 AM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by ChemBreather
wow...this could have been filmed in my backyard.
notice the weirdness in concentrating in front of the sun? that's only really been happening the last few years. i had a few theories about the reasons for this and recently added a new one.
wow...this could have been filmed in my backyard.
notice the weirdness in concentrating in front of the sun? that's only really been happening the last few years. i had a few theories about the reasons for this and recently added a new one.
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 09:58 AM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by network dude
As he said, just because they're experts in their field doesn't mean they aren't limited in other ways. Many experts take what they've learned as gospel and never vary from it. They're human above all else and have all the same human failings and limitations and ways of coping as anyone else.
In fact, may it's because of their very training and expertise that they choose not to believe in or even entertain the possibility. They may have trouble doing so because it might be too disturbing for them to even consider. Who knows. Every case is individual, and I'm sure that my firm belief that something is going on here seems just as weird to them as their inability to even consider this could be the case.
As he said, just because they're experts in their field doesn't mean they aren't limited in other ways. Many experts take what they've learned as gospel and never vary from it. They're human above all else and have all the same human failings and limitations and ways of coping as anyone else.
In fact, may it's because of their very training and expertise that they choose not to believe in or even entertain the possibility. They may have trouble doing so because it might be too disturbing for them to even consider. Who knows. Every case is individual, and I'm sure that my firm belief that something is going on here seems just as weird to them as their inability to even consider this could be the case.
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 02:01 PM by Phage
reply to post by ChemBreather
What about the bees? Is there some sort of problem?
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[edit on 11/24/2009 by Phage]
What about the bees? Is there some sort of problem?
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www.telegraph.co.uk...
[edit on 11/24/2009 by Phage]
reply posted on 24-11-2009 @ 02:53 PM by dodadoom
Chemtrails (Operation Cloverleaf)
You can see these most days right across the sky at low altitudes, whereas contrails are at higher alt and only follow the plane for a short distance. The editor had 4 chemtrails crossing right above his house like 2 train tracks, and his house is not even in a designated flight path (1), while military jets that often fly over in low altitude training never leave any trails. In some photos you can see gaps in the trail (1), a dead giveaway, while others have absurd flight paths (1), and others have very strange planes (1) that look to be masked and appear as orbs as was seen at 911, while contrails go to nothing and chemtrails spread to act like clouds (1). Secondly we have a few insiders accounts (1,
In late 1998 I saw a dozen or so of them at the Miami airport and anyhone can see them, any time, easily seen near to the west from I-15 at Evergrreen (CIA) Airfield (private) north of Tucson. If you'll go to Mojave Airfield you'll proabably still see the massive chemtrail jet assembly line, which is outside and shows American and British passenger jets being turned into unmarked, white chemtrail jets.
How do we explain the "contrails" stopping and then starting again?
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