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posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 07:05 AM

I took the children to school today and happened to look up at the sky, above my house, and was shocked as to what I saw. The skies of N.E Ohio were covered in chemtrails!

Some of the CTs were older, made just a few hours earlier, and least two were being made as I watched. There were some CTS that crossed over each other while others were alone and yet some where side-by-side. What the heck!!!! I know what contrails are and these where not them.

This pisses me of so much that they willingly are poisoning my family and others without concerns of being caught!

Anyone with a camera, I have none, that can take a few pictures and post them here would be great!

Too, bad I do not have any surface to air missles....

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 07:34 AM
Anyone else see them?

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 07:37 AM
1) Take some photos.
2) Post them.
3) Don't be discouraged when people who think they are really smart post here and tell you they are contrails.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 07:56 AM
reply to post by Hemlocks

I am in Michigan, Mid eastern area, and I just got back from taking
my Grandson to school.
The sky here is covered with "trails" also. I counted 47 of them. Some just being formed and some that have been there long enough to have spread out and drift down very low.(as usual)

No one will ever convince me that this a normal occurance.

I live in a extremely rural area and see this about 7- 10 times a month.
The weather conditions can be the same for three days, yet on one of those days, anywhere between 35 to 50 "trails" will appear.
Where is all that air traffic on the other days ?

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:00 AM
And don't be discouraged when people debunk...over and over and you find out they are probably harmless

I saw contrails all day's getting that time a year for them to happen

So let me be the first bad guy...

How do you definitively know they were chem and not con?


posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Hemlocks

This pisses me of so much that they willingly are poisoning my family and others without concerns of being caught!

Anyone with a camera, I have none, that can take a few pictures and post them here would be great!

I've seen chemtrails twice. The second time I saw it, I was so pissed off I could chew iron nails.

Who needs a camera -- we need surface to air missiles!

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:09 AM
Its been happening here too, just like the past few yrs. Always heavy spraying at this time of year. Unfortunatley there isnt a damn thing anyone can do about it. Its definatley a real thing though. I have been checking these out for yrs now so I can tell the differences.

The heavy crisscross spraying patterns here, as many lines are sprayed, after a couple hours the entire sky is covered in a haze. I have monitored it, it starts out as thin chemtrail lines that all eventually spread and thicken out to where eventually they cover the sky. Pisses me off that any "sane" person can say this is normal, and to not worry about it. There is one simple fact that proves this is not normal and its the patents owned by the U.S. for spraying.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Termite197
Always heavy spraying at this time of year.

Hmm....maybe that's why they've been calling it "Flu season", for awhie now...Years, perhaps decades.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:44 AM
I hate to rain on your chemtrails but I gotta believe its just normal air traffic.
There are a lot of things going on that I can get my conspiratorial mind around but I just cringe when I see postings about chemtrails.

Just think about the number of people that would have to be complicit, and knowingly dump biologicals or chemicals on potentially friends and family. We are talking mass murder here on the scale of the NAZIs!

Only thing I can say is "get a grip!"

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:46 AM
reply to post by Hemlocks

Welcome aboard Hemlocks, sounds like we live near the same air base.
I see them as well. I dont know when they were put there but I do know its not from the squadron we live near. &presname=undefined

Maybe we should note the current flu count and then do a comparison in 7 days.

This has to be happening in the pre dawn hours.

[edit on 23-11-2009 by HappilyEverAfter]

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:56 AM

Originally posted by expat2368
I hate to rain on your chemtrails but I gotta believe its just normal air traffic.
There are a lot of things going on that I can get my conspiratorial mind around but I just cringe when I see postings about chemtrails.

Just think about the number of people that would have to be complicit, and knowingly dump biologicals or chemicals on potentially friends and family. We are talking mass murder here on the scale of the NAZIs!

Only thing I can say is "get a grip!"

Hello expat, in your opinion, how many people "would" have to be acting in concert to perform this?
Are you suggesting that this could only be done by a citizen, friendly?

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:01 AM
EEP, I was just waking up at 8am...but it is completely overcast at the moment. I haven't been feeling very well today, thanks for posting this, I guess I'll take a few detox pills when I get home.

Funny thing about this is as of late we haven't had nearly as much Chem Trail activity as we usually do, so if they are for the purpose of reducing global warming, then why did they skip over summer and wait till end of fall to start up again?

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:02 AM
We have them daily like that here in california. I see them so often that I really don't pay attention any more.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:06 AM
Well it's monday and lots of people are flying out this morning. The weather is getting colder so the contrails form at more altitudes. You can't spray at 30000 with a hundred planes without somebody leaking whats going on. So they are contrails it's the only thing that makes sense relax.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:08 AM
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

Not sure where you are in NE Ohio but their are no air bases in here. I live in the greater Cleveland area and I have seen contrails. The climate is perfect for their formation right now.

Incidentally, the closest actual airbases that I am familiar with is the Mansfield Air National Guard base and the very active Air Force Reserve near Youngstown.

Now if anyone is spraying anything it is coming from Youngstown. They have the technology to spray at low altitudes.

This article discusses the testing of a new pesticide at Parris Island.

757th Airlift Squadron at Youngstown Air Reserve Station, Ohio, home of the only large fixed-wing aircraft aerial spray unit in the Department of Defense.

The 757th was at Parris Island, Oct. 5 to 9, 2009, to conduct their annual aerial spray mission to help combat the overwhelming biting midge population that has plagued the area. This year, they tested a new weapon in the battle.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:09 AM
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

How many people? A lot.. air crew, ground crew, maybe a raft of air traffic controllers that might wonder what the hell plane is doing criss-crossing an area at high altitude, who knows how many people in homeland security.

NON-AMERICAN? Flying in U.S. airspace on a weird flight plan in a spray tanker?

The thing you might just want to stop and think about...

IF and just IF someone had enough power and the capability of keeping things quiet and wanted to do what you chemtrails people are talking about.. they would do it and you would NEVER know what happened until you woke up dead one morning!

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:15 AM
I just stepped outside to take a look. I'm seeing them in SE Michigan. I'm going to keep an eye out today and see if they continue. Besides the trails, one big part of the sky is covered in a white cloud.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:16 AM
reply to post by expat2368

Well...I dont nessesarily believe they are trying to kill us with the trails. I mean, it could be weather manipulations, trying to get us sick so big pharm can get rich, or bug control for crying out loud, I DONT KNOW.

But...they are definatley spraying. Anyone who says otherwise, has not been paying attention to the skies ...period.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:31 AM
Check this site out.

Now, after looking at that site. Disreguard anything about their motives. Disreguard any conspiracies on the subject. Now tell me that this is normal. The spreading of the trails into clouds. Tell me that even if there isnt anything sinister, our skies should look liek this. At the very least they are ruining the beauty of our skies every day.

There is obviously something not right.

HAARP patent

Contrails Vs Chemtrails -
Facts And Chronology
From Kim Weber

I. Contrail vs. Chemtrail.

A. A contrail dispurses. A chemtrail spreads into cloud cover and sometimes has fallout (cob-web like filaments, red/yellow powders, milky-white fluid).

II. Purposes (??? weather modification, protection from ozone holes, bio-vaccination, culling - ???)

A. Weather modification.

* Openly stated goal of the U.S. Military is "owning the weather"

* UN environmental Program "Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change"

* UN "Capacity Development Initiative" on climate change ... in partnership with THE WORLD BANK as financiers (remember Seattle protests)

* Dr. Bernard Eastlund took up the Tesla theories. Eastlund released his research and concernns on the internet AFTER the military took over, to cover his butt.

* When DOD took over Dr. Eastlund's research, the birth of HAARP took place. HAARP is based in Alaska and it is being applied to the Earth's ionosphere for weather control and mind control purposes. "Angels Don't Play This HAARP", Dr. Nick Begich [Earthpulse Press, PO Box 201393, Anchorage, AK 99520]; Concerned citizens group paper at

* US Air Force IS involved. Early April 2000, KC135s were grounded and during the period immediately following spraying reports across the US significantly dropped. See (OVER 700 members - daily reports to track) Also see the research of William Thomas (Author, "The Scorched Earth", "Bringing The War Home", "Probing the Chemtrail Conundrum") (Email:

* Our weathermen KNOW. The data doesn't support the cloud cover. For instance, last year in Sante Fe, NM there was a 21-day period of continuous clouud cover when humidity/dew point levels were no higher than 30%. Clouds can only form when humidity/dew point levels are 60% of higher. HOW DID THE CLOUDS FORM?? (see

B. There has definitely been biological warfare testing of UNKNOWING U.S. citizens and OUR GOVERNMENT IS FULLY AWARE OF IT.

* 1977 hearings before the U.S. Senate Committee on Human Resources SubCommittee on Health and Scientific Research (see

* AGAIN 5/6/94 U.S. Senate testimony of Dr. Leonard Cole (Author, "Clouds of Secrecy") before the Committee on Veteran's Affairs (see

* 3 segments aired on ABC / Ted Kopple's "Nighline" which included the testimony of Peter Kawaja on the biowarfare exposure of Gulf War vets. Of the initial 697,000 soldiers deployed to the Gulf War, 489,400+ (70%) are now discharged, 1000s have died and are dying, 67% of their babies born after are born deformed, family/friends/doctors/nurses becoming sick. Mycoplasmas are a part of their sickness.

* UN Wildlands Project - the "re-wilding of America". 50% of the United States is being set aside for global parklands with NO HUMANS ALLOWED. Papers state "human population must be reduced." Concerned citizens site

* Damning patents. U.S. patent 5534413 for invasive mycoplasma infection (isolated from the urine of AIDS patients), and THE VACCINE YOU NEVER EVER HEAR ABOUT U.S. Patent 5242820. Mycoplasmas can cause Epstein-Barr/mono, lupus, ALS, MS, meningitis, lymphoma, leukemia, alzheimers, Crohn's Disease, PID, arthritis, fibromyalgia, allergies, asthma etc etc etc. and

* Lab results from ground samples taken from 2 unassociated parties (Sacramento and E.Oregon) after flyovers from unmarked aircraft reveal biowarfare bacterias named in over 160 Pentagon patents referencing biowarfare applications, toxic molds, ethylene dibromide (a pesticide banned by the EPA which damages lungs/heart/liver/kidneys). (See "The flu that's not the flu" - hospitals filled to capacity TURNING AWAY patients: "THIS VIRUS IS A MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL PARASITE", Dr. W. Paul Glezen of the Influena Research Center at Baylor. NEVER has "parasite" been associated with a "virus". A parasite FEEDS FROM THE HOST. A virus, on the other hand, NEEDS A SUSCEPTIBLE HOST'S CELLS TO MULTIPLY. What's Dr. Glezen talking about? Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz states: "Based on the evidence that my colleagues and I have accumulated, I conclude that this flu-like illness IS most likely associated with chemical and biological co-factors." His email:

* Florescent black light reveals filaments - LOTS - which glows blue, red/orange. Contains barium titanate?, a dielectric used to keep electricity flowing. Using this to : trap moisture to create clouds; build up earth pressures to cause earthquakes, tornados, volcanic eruptions; to create extra tension and stress in humans. The fibers are in a twisted ribbon shape ~3-5 microns thick by ~10 to 13 microns wide. They have imperfections that manifest as small clumps of polymer whiskers ~.5 to 1 micron in diameter by ~5 to 10 microns long. There are large enough by themselves and in sufficient quantity to cause possible long-lasting lung disease. WHERE ARE YOU AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION??

* A microsopic particle count study in New Mexico shows a 16% increase in the magnitude of the average microscopic particle count data of 1999 vs. the average of the COMBINED YEARS of 1996, 1997 and 1998. The difference is significant - at the 99.9% plus level. The conclusion reached is that the microscopic air particle count in New Mexico in 1999 is STRIKINGLY different from that of the preceding 3 years combined. (See

C. Ominous developments.

* Unusual truck activity across the U.S. Trimac Western tanker trucks that DO NOT display DOT placard codes giving their contents, being WAVED THRU mandatory truck inspection stops! People who slow down to take a "look-see" are being shadowed 20-30 miles by civilian cars escorting the tanker trucks. Trimac is owned by Rentokil of the United Kingdom - they haul pesticides and chemicals for BASF, DuPont and Bayer. (See

* COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT ARE NOW BEING USED TO SPRAY - particularly BOEING planes. Also, an aircraft mechanic from a major airline received anonymous "warning" call, job suspension and threats left in his locker after his observing an extra 50gal. plus 2 smaller gal. tanks located near the aircraft waste disposal system. The extra tanks WERE NOT connected to the waste disposal system, but instead led to a box attached to the aircraft's central control and had piping leading to deliberately "hollowed out" wiring connected to the edges of the aircraft's wings. (See

* Also there are alot of anti-chemtrail activists reporting harrassment, but on 5/19/00 Cliff Carnicom, owner of the most proactive anti-chemtrail website, contacted the FBI regarding impersonation, libel, professional hacking and death threats. His site alone has submitted 3,087 letters to federal officials, and 828 letters to state officials and TO DATE NO RESPONSE HAS BEEN RECEIVED..

D. Announcements.

* Email Congressman Tom Udall. He told a constituent he would ask for Congressional hearings. Let's hold him up to that.

* Nationwide organization "Citizens Against Chemtrails" is putting together a massive petition for Congressional hearing purposes. Submit your name/address/email at Cliff site:, or email

Supporting Evidence

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 10:12 AM
They've been absolutely covering Central Oklahoma for the last couple weeks. Usually 4-5 white jets that checkerboard the entire sky within hours.

On the first day they started heavy, I felt sick later that evening. And I hardly ever get sick. Four friends said they felt the same, from the same time. Also sick from that day was my mother, who's in terrible health anyhow.

Any morning I wake up to a huge blue sky, I know that by the time I get to work it will be gone. And for the last couple weeks that's been the case. Its hard to control my anger when I seem to be the only one paying attention around here.

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