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posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 10:18 AM
I've seen so many of them thru the last years that i hardly notice them anymore.

My guess this is the "other" chemicals they need that when combined with the first series of spraying this stuff is sure to do the most damage.
Its like shooting someone TWICE in the head. One for the road.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 10:20 AM
reply to post by jibeho

I hear the prop wash from the 757th daily.
I watch their practices.
They are not spraying.
The checkerboard pattern is not air traffic patterns or I'd have debris in my fields from crashes.
I'm going to trust my eyes on this one, and confirm with the use of them, along with the application of knowledge and wisdom, that I am in fact seeing this, it is not normal.
I dont have all the answers, and I dont care who believes me or not, but I will not be so quick to subscribe to the "harmless" theory.

If the design of the patterns didnt defy rule one,
and the decay of the patterns didnt defy time-wind-gravity, maybe I'd be a little more impressed with trusting what I'm told rather than what I see.
I would like to believe all is well, intersecting patterns with equal decay tell me to question.!

Safe Separation Standards
The primary means of controlling aircraft is accomplished by using highly sophisticated computerized radar systems. In addition, the controller maintains two-way radio communication with aircraft in his/her sector. In this way, the specialist ensures that the aircraft are separated by the following criteria:

Laterally -- 5 miles
Vertically -- 1,000 feet (if the aircraft is below 29,000 feet)
2,000 feet (if the aircraft is at 29,000 feet or above)
The controllers can accomplish this separation by issuing instructions to the pilots of the aircraft involved. Altitude assignments, speed adjustments, and radar vectors are examples of instructions that might be issued to aircraft.


[edit on 23-11-2009 by HappilyEverAfter]

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 10:21 AM
reply to post by Termite197


posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 11:09 AM
reply to post by naught

ur not the only me

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 11:19 AM
got any picture of this chekerboard pattern?

Termite I checked out those photos on that first site...I gotta say that I have seen all of these formations in North Dakota in an area that doesn't se eplanes...AT AL...the boiling clouds are mammatus which typically bring rain behind them. I see some whispy cirrus clouds that are indicative of the specific wind currents flowing through at that moment

I see nothing scary in that at all...and while I am at it why haven't thousands died when all this nasty stuff get's 'sprayed' on us?

We have a coupld people die in a of the HARDEST races around and they blamed it on trails...

I smell nothing on this one


posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 11:26 AM
reply to post by KyoZero

Your reply indicates to me that you think the source or cause of the clouds in the pictures on that site is unknown. Well...FYI home skillet....the source of those clouds were planes. That is not open for debate really. We are not debating whether or not the cloud formations were made by planes, what we are debating is whether they are chontrail/chemtrails and whether or not it consists of material for a agenda. It was absolutley planes that made those clouds. You can also watch a video from that site showing you in real time, planes making them.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 11:33 AM
reply to post by KyoZero

and also..if weather control was a reason for the chemtrails, than that would explain to you why lots of people havnt died. Look...we (atleast I) am not saying they are trying to kill us with the trails. All I am simply saying is that the trails exist and they are not normal contrails. I am saying that it is odd and not normal. SOME KIND OF AGENDA DOES EXIST.

Your response is typical of a person that has never really been a part of the chemtrail debate. Also someone that has never seen the trails like we are talking about with your own eyes over your own house.

I would suggest you look further into it. Youtube some home videos of chemtrails in action, check out the site i linked more in detail. Watch the videos. Research etc etc etc. Then holler at me.

There is evidence that the planes are unmarked. There is evidence of barium after spraying, there is patents owned by the gov for spraying and the equipment used for it. Dont believe me, check for yourself.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 11:50 AM
There is also the same evidence that the barium came from nearby plants

Try not to assume I am stupid in such matters. I've spent time and listened to both sides. I am speaking directly the the people who think they are trying to kill us. Now...I will play devil's advocate here

Let's say I have never seen a real chemtrail...if that is the case then clearly Chicago isn't part of the chemtrail system. I have seen conrtails in the air that dissapate slowly and literally turn into a cloud formation. I know that agencies have sprayed to test or manipulate weather but if that is all that is happening then what is the conspiracy here? Publicly people have admitted to working with weather through salts but that isn't a danger to us.

No the problem is some think we are being sprayed for population reduction. That is where I shake my head. I have seen thousands of contrails in my time. I used to live in an approach zone to OHare. Now I live in a different approach zone to OHare and also one to Midway. Contrails are nothing to worry about and I have seen with my eyes a contrail form, dissipate (and with proper weather) stay in the air for hours.

So where is the danger?

But yes I haven't delved as deep in debate as you so I guess my factors mean little. I've studied the weather, I've seen the videos...I see nothing

If that means I am stupid to you then so be least I am sensible enough to not be awake nights freaking out about the big bad planes when others have shown that contrails look and behave exactly liek the supposed chemtrails.

So in summation...yes we all know weather testing and spraying happens but I doubt honestly that we are spraying deadly chemicals to reduce the population because Obama, Bush and all the rest are getting hit with the same just doesn't make sense to me to think they would try to kill us off.

For the sake of argument let's say you Termite are TPTB. You decide to wipe out a ton of us. For what reason? Why get rid of us when you endanger yourself in the process? Also, if this is your idea who will you rule once we're all dead? If you are trying to spare the elite then spraying is horrible. The wind could carry your barium for hundreds of miles before it touches ground.

There...that sound like a typical answer?


posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 11:58 AM
reply to post by Hemlocks

I live in Southern Ohio, and her our skies are covered most days by chemtrails streaking across the sky. Make me think TPTB are trying to hide something from us....the return of the 10th planet, perhaps? And alien invasion coming? What are they hiding? Or, are they trying to poison us? Set us up for a killer virus?
Check this out!
Airline Mechanic stumbles upon chemical spraying unit

[edit on 23-11-2009 by autowrench]

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 12:13 PM
and of course there is this little patent-

Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming United States Patent 5003186

Siemens Energy Solutions
Energy solutions for the US: The world leader in Green Technology. method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 01:43 PM
reply to post by KyoZero

I dont totally disagree with what you say, simply because I am not one that thinks they are trying to reduce the population through chemtrails because ur right, that would be stupid and H1N1 and AIDS is a much better choice for that right?

Now for me to totally brush off the idea that the Governent is in no way capable of doing something suspicious would be retarded because I have seen what they are capable of. My thing with chemtrails is simple. Its suspicious and dont make sense. There are to many questionable variables for me to not think something is up.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 01:47 PM
Even if it was simple like the Gov was just trying to minipulate the weather or what not. Its still jacked up simply cause ANY kind of chemical sprayed in the air CAN NOT BE GOOD FOR PEOPLE OR THE PLANET long term.

Just the simple point of them ruining the skies and making them ugly to look at is enough for me to be pissed and want them to stop. Maybe thats the tree hugger in me.

[edit on 11/23/2009 by Termite197]

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 02:40 PM
Well now you have definately got me wanting to know...what have you seen them capable of and in what capacity do you refer to?

I applause the fact that you don't jump me for disagreeing..civility is alive an well

Yes I can admit creating clouds could eb a nuissance but from what I see they are trying to slow global warming by cloud seeding.


posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 04:16 PM

Originally posted by calstorm
We have them daily like that here in california. I see them so often that I really don't pay attention any more.

I see them pretty much daily here in California also. I can't help but pay attention. Often I am pissed; sometimes I just wonder wth is going on; sometimes I want everyone around me who're scurrying around trying to make a living, trying to be the one ahead of all the other cars, trying to look like what the media tells us to look like, trying to impress others with their big rims or big trucks or prettier hair - I just want to shake them awake to look up and look around and see that there's more going on than sales.

The few people that I have mentioned, or even pointed out chemtrails to, didn't give it much of a second thought.

::shaking self out of rant mode:: But yeh, OP, I don't know what we can do other than pray, hope for the best or whatever works for each individual. I wish the best to all of us.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 04:32 PM
Chemtrails... they don't even seem to be a threat. I feel Ok. STILL.

I want to know why people are freaking out at this.

And could that be the cause of why Wisconsin was so foggy today? Or was it just that cheese factory down the road again?

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 04:32 PM
With all these reports of Chemtrails everywhere I just don't know what I am going to do now. I heard that if you duct-tape your door openings and all your windows, a family can live for 36 more hours than usual. I really hope we are all not about to die. This poison in the air is sickening. I also heard that if you shine a green laser light at the chem-trails it dissolves the bacteria, virus', chemicals, and radioactive dust particles. I don't have a green laser yet, but It is on the way.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 04:46 PM
reply to post by Commando717

I am gonna have to jump on your wagon and say I am not the least bit concerned


posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 05:17 PM
does anyone find it a tad continent that "THEY" seem to spray a lot of "CHEMTRAILS" when the weather pattern is perfect for con trail formation? It would almost seem that one with a logical mind would ask a weather man if there is a high probability for con trail formation and finish up the research quick enough to catch the game. Or of course you could go on believing that "they" are after you.

posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 05:40 PM
That's my big just...ugh I am thinking this is such BS

contrails have happened since we've been flying jets...nowadays we have thousands of jets over damn near every inch of this country

So let me ask this of the CT you believe normal contrails do exist?


posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 06:26 PM

Originally posted by expat2368
I hate to rain on your chemtrails but I gotta believe its just normal air traffic.
There are a lot of things going on that I can get my conspiratorial mind around but I just cringe when I see postings about chemtrails.

Just think about the number of people that would have to be complicit, and knowingly dump biologicals or chemicals on potentially friends and family. We are talking mass murder here on the scale of the NAZIs!

Only thing I can say is "get a grip!"

Expat. Dear oh dear.... who is it exactly that needs to get a grip??? Whose reality needs raining on??

Just keep taking those pills eh?

Same as the feeble 9/11 excuse... how to keep it hush?
You never heard of the "classified" info? The "official secrets act"? Israel above all others?? NWO etc....

I have a friend in the German Air Force and even he and his fellow pilots wonder what on earth is coming out of their planes!!

According to you, they are just imagining it...


I suppose me and my friends are also merely imagining the Chemtrails disappear after we position Chembusters??? Course we are... We need to get a grip eh? After following chemtrails for over 6 years, we don't know what we are talking about do we? You know it all don't you?

Well done Einstein.............. Or should I say 'Agent' Einstein????????????

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