If the "Nephilim" (Fallen ANGELS) are ET's, then how aren't Angels (and Jehova) ET'S?

Originally posted by seircram

First off, there were never any "Fallen Angels". There were, however, "Fallen" DemiGods. Loosely, from the top, there is God, Archangels, Elohim, Demigods, Celestials, Angels, the Ascended Beings, and 3d land.

Next, your definition of "Angels" is too narrow. The original Archangels are unique in that they have never incarnated into a non-Angelic form from their original God Spark and thus remain the closest entities to God.

However, "Angels" in general can certainly be ETs. They can be ex-humans, they can be members of the "Other Kingdoms", etc.

There is basically no "reincarnation" above the 4th dimension. And reincarnation is the fastest path to spiritual growth and progress in the 3rd dimension. So how does one grow spiritually in the higher dimensions? Be becoming an Angel, for one thing. Or a Spirit Guide or spiritual Teacher, etc.

All Divine spirits are Elohim. The Divine council proves this. The Watchers were the so called fallen. The watchers are a different species from most Elohim like angels. Their are many gods but only one true God almighty and his human form Jesus.

Apollo was a Greek god, His other name is Semjazza the leader of the Watchers currently occupying the abyss. Satan himself.

Soon in the end at Megido we who have the name of god sealed in our foreheads will fight side by side with Angels and other Elohim against the Demons and Satan. In the end time it says we saved children of God will be like gods in our own right.

The star that unlocks the bottomless pit is Wormwood as it will melt the ice cap over Antarctica and release the Demons and Satan. Now we know what the Nazis are doing down there. They ran there after the war and hid from the world. They were following the path to the Watchers in their quest of god like power.

When will the Nazis return and set up their one world government? We see their influence daily already with the calls for it. They know that Wormwood is coming and the Demons will soon be released.

The governments of this world are building massive bunkers everywhere in preparation for it. To bad they will tremble in fear as God will shake them to their core.

When the warning comes and Wormwood blocks out the sun for three days, at the start you had better lock yourself in your home blocking out all sight to the outside because if your caught outside the Demons will get you. God will let everyone know how they sit with him during those three days personally. Demonic forces can not enter your home uninvited. Everyone needs to get right with God now as we don't have much time.

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God Jesus sits upon the thrown above all gods IE Elohim. The Divine Council shows this. All gods that were here on earth before the flood were either Watchers or the Arch Angels sent here to lock them up.

If Prometheus ever really existed and was a god then he was a WATCHER!! and has another name just like Apollo the destroyer who is really Semjazza the leader of the Watchers and Satan himself. Get it?

You really anger Jesus by worshiping these Demi-gods.

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
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I am not sure I understand what your point is. I am sorry.

That heaven was in the sky, so there wasn't any reason to differentiate the two. Ancient people had no concept of outer space. The space was the sky and stars were just points of light, high in the sky. So God would have basically lived here, or what would be "here" to us today.

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree

Originally posted by impaired
Where's his love? Is this a fact? It's just info coming from his mouth to a transcribist's ears. Then even manipulated though out the many years.

His love is right outside, waiting for you to open the door. What do you mean is this fact? How can you even prove love exists if not for feeling it?

Just because love is felt means it's Jehova's? This is typical bible ediquette.

There is more than one-way to peace. You can follow the rules and be a good person (service to others) and not have to have this guy as you're "God". Why not?
What if I do the right thing to the best of my ability? Does that cut it?

No, that does not cut it. How can He welcome you into His arms if you don't believe His arms are there?

This sounds like a forced belief. And a paradox - a mind-trip. I don't think that love is a "god" - Jehova's at that. Just a beautiful feeling.

I don't reject "God" (Whatever that word means, anyway). I just reject Jehova.

And I thought all evil is the influence of satan and his possee?
Also, what if I don't accept him personally but still follow the code by doing the right thing anyway?

"Evil" is the influence of the satans. However, sin gets easier and easier. Your flesh makes it into habit. Sometimes only one temptation lasts a lifetime. Addiction to porn? Cleptomaniacs? These are examples....They continue because of their own free will.

Again, how can He accept you if you do not accept Him? If He is nonexistant, then so must you be to Him.

That's fine. I'm just not friends with murderers. Or ones who treat their creations like an ant farm.

And what are some of the blaphemous ways of man? Do they include questioning an ultimateum that it given to us by many other religions? How are we supposed to know that your religion is any more right than the Koran, or the Torah, or the Sumerians? The egyptians? Why is your God one of many OTHER God's? Why is he in competition with them? Very insecure. What are the implications of these other god's existing and religions proclaiming the same thing? That Jehova isn't the only "God".

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei

Galileo was the man!
But I don't agree with that. Haha. Why give us sense, reason and intellect if we couldn't use it anyway? That's absurd and doesn't jive at least in today's society. If you're justifying that quote, then you yourself are admitting that it is not "appropriate" (in a Christians or other religious person's eyes) to think outside the box. You just said it. And wasn't Galileo under pressure from the church back then anyway? Regardless...

Use your sense, reason, and intellect and find the answers in your heart of hearts. Why wouldn't there be "other god's"? Of course there is going to be competition for souls. Lucifer did want to be worshipped didn't he? Did he not want to be just like God? Use what has been graciously given to you and seek Him diligently.

Did. We had different views of opinion. So I'm "the devil", huh?

Bottom line is, you're believe a book with translation-issues from a 3rd-hand source that is from HIS perspective and his influence. What about them apples??

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The bottom line is that you worship your own wisdom and knowledge and dare not seek beyond yourself. Bind your ego and live a life beyond yourself.

I don't worship anything, dude! Ok. I worship "Life". I lied...
I think EVERYTHING that lives and feels pain is special. And isn't searching for answers seeking beyond yourself?? Am I missing something here??? I am as humble as they come, that's why I look at life the way I do (the EXPERIENCE of life that we all go through is what I mean).
We all feel so much pain in life due to landmines that were set for us (supposedly), and then WE have to pay by burning in hell for eternity. Just because I won't believe something that comes from ONE SOURCE.
And like I said - we feel pain - physical and mental. And spiritual. You expect me to want to worship an entity that SAYS we will roast while we scream in agony for eternity? At least that's the scare to get you to believe in him... Jeez. If he were as powerful as he said he was, things wouldn't have gotten out of control. He could have just destroyed Satan or Lucifer before it happened the whole thing happened. Too many paradoxes... Jehova couldn't of know because he was a fallable biological entity. With an Ego. Ahem. According to what I believe.

Originally posted by impaired

Just because love is felt means it's Jehova's? This is typical bible ediquette.

*sigh* Can you not differentiate between lukewarm and hot?

This sounds like a forced belief. And a paradox - a mind-trip. I don't think that love is a "god" - Jehova's at that. Just a beautiful feeling.

Love is a beautiful feeling, I agree. However, it comes in many forms from many places, often times ones you don't even recognise.

That's fine. I'm just not friends with murderers. Or ones who treat their creations like an ant farm.

Me neither.

Galileo was the man!
But I don't agree with that. Haha. Why give us sense, reason and intellect if we couldn't use it anyway? That's absurd and doesn't jive at least in today's society. If you're justifying that quote, then you yourself are admitting that it is not "appropriate" (in a Christians or other religious person's eyes) to think outside the box. You just said it. And wasn't Galileo under pressure from the church back then anyway? Regardless...

Not appropriate? That's absolutely NOT what I'm saying. I'm saying that Christians SHOULD think outside the box. Galileo was underpressure, but that's because he thought outside the box...or church whatever you prefer...

Did. We had different views of opinion. So I'm "the devil", huh?

Oh friend, you are most definitely NOT the devil.

I don't worship anything, dude! Ok. I worship "Life". I lied...
I think EVERYTHING that lives and feels pain is special. And isn't searching for answers seeking beyond yourself?? Am I missing something here??? I am as humble as they come, that's why I look at life the way I do (the EXPERIENCE of life that we all go through is what I mean).
We all feel so much pain in life due to landmines that were set for us (supposedly), and then WE have to pay by burning in hell for eternity. Just because I won't believe something that comes from ONE SOURCE.
And like I said - we feel pain - physical and mental. And spiritual. You expect me to want to worship an entity that SAYS we will roast while we scream in agony for eternity? At least that's the scare to get you to believe in him... Jeez. If he were as powerful as he said he was, things wouldn't have gotten out of control. He could have just destroyed Satan or Lucifer before it happened the whole thing happened. Too many paradoxes... Jehova couldn't of know because he was a fallable biological entity. With an Ego. Ahem. According to what I believe.

*sigh* You're attempting to hold the Sun in your hands and define ITS reality. Why would you cherish life if it is the only thing that gives perception to the suffering? Why not instead choose death? Maybe you need to be "born again".

You're a good person, it's easy to see. You're just....well...common.
There are many like you and many more to follow. You are not any less of a human than anyone else here though. "To each their own."

Enjoy your time, it is very short...
Respectfully,
A2D

Originally posted by Sky watcher

If Prometheus ever really existed and was a god then he was a WATCHER!! and has another name just like Apollo the destroyer who is really Semjazza the leader of the Watchers and Satan himself. Get it?

You really anger Jesus by worshiping these Demi-gods.

This is nothing but Yahweh propaganda! But this is to be expected, after all they have been in power for the last two thousand years. However, it is not true.

Prometheus existed in the same way Jesus existed, I can only know because of the stories.

I didn't know I could make Jesus angry.

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god and the angels do not live in space/time with us, for god lives outside of time and can see all the events of the universe from the big bang till the end we live in 4 dimensions, 3 of space and 1 of time that were created by the big bang going off in the void. No alien, no anyone, or thing, that lives in our 4 dimensional universe can be god or angels god, angels, heaven/hell, would all exist outside all of this, which would technically make them higher dimensional beings. being in a higher dimension, they can look down on all of creation, the entire universe from big bang to now, to the future to the end of it all and see it all at once like a long movie reeled off its 35mm film. this is akin to a large pond which we can stand on the bank and look into, we can even reach in a pull fish out of the pond.. we can dive into the pond... we can see all of the pond, and its earthlings and aliens, but we ourselves would be outside it all looking in.

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I've read many of your posts here in this thread - so i thought i would ask you if you had read any of the gnostic texts like the Nag Hammadi Texts. Particularly The Apocryphon of John. The teaching of the savior, and the revelation of the mysteries and the things hidden in silence, even these things which he taught John, his disciple:

"And the Sophia of the Epinoia, being an aeon, conceived a thought from herself and the conception of the invisible Spirit and foreknowledge. She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of the Spirit, - he had not approved - and without her consort, and without his consideration. And though the person of her maleness had not approved, and she had not found her agreement, and she had thought without the consent of the Spirit and the knowledge of her agreement, (yet) she brought forth. And because of the invincible power which is in her, her thought did not remain idle, and something came out of her which was imperfect and different from her appearance, because she had created it without her consort. And it was dissimilar to the likeness of its mother, for it has another form.

"And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. And she surrounded it with a luminous cloud, and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth.

sounds like lucifer?

Because of the power of the glory he possessed of his mother's light, he called himself God.

sounds like lucifer?

"And having created [...] everything, he organized according to the model of the first aeons which had come into being, so that he might create them like the indestructible ones. Not because he had seen the indestructible ones, but the power in him, which he had taken from his mother, produced in him the likeness of the cosmos. And when he saw the creation which surrounds him, and the multitude of the angels around him which had come forth from him, he said to them, I am a jealous God, and there is no other God beside me.' But by announcing this he indicated to the angels who attended him that there exists another God. For if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous?

sound like jehova/lucifer. - is it possible that God the creator is only in genisis chapter 1 and the rest of the story is the usurper god named Yaltabaoth? Do you notice that it's just "GOD" in genesis 1 then it changes to usurper "Lord God" in genesis 2? God the creator finished his creation in GEN 1 and Lord God/Jehovah/Lucifer picked up from there. Jesus came later to restore things.

"Then the mother began to move to and fro. She became aware of the deficiency when the brightness of her light diminished. And she became dark because her consort had not agreed with her."

....she had seen the wickedness which had happened, and the theft which her son had committed, she repented. And she was overcome by forgetfulness in the darkness of ignorance and she began to be ashamed. And she did not dare to return, but she was moving about. And the moving is the going to and fro.

"And the arrogant one took a power from his mother. For he was ignorant, thinking that there existed no other except his mother alone. And when he saw the multitude of the angels which he had created, then he exalted himself above them.

And I said, "Lord, from where did the counterfeit spirit come?"

www.gnosis.org...

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What can be gathered from this is the creation on an entity that was not approved (lucifer) and which became arrogant and exalted himself above all that is call God. A jealous God.

I am a jealous God, and there is no other God beside me.' But by announcing this he indicated to the angels who attended him that there exists another God. For if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous?

Sounds like Lucifer to me.

"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil. They brought gold and silver and a gift and copper and iron and metal and all kinds of things. And they steered the people who had followed them into great troubles, by leading them astray with many deceptions. They (the people) became old without having enjoyment. They died, not having found truth and without knowing the God of truth. And thus the whole creation became enslaved forever, from the foundation of the world until now. And they took women and begot children out of the darkness according to the likeness of their spirit. And they closed their hearts, and they hardened themselves through the hardness of the counterfeit spirit until now.

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Originally posted by impaired
I see a lot of Christians saying that the Nephilim are Aliens. Ok. Now, I believe the bible (historically speaking) to an extent. I just think things haven't been translated correctly and things get taken out of context a lot - as well as there weren't words to correctly explain what was going on when these stories were written. Also, I (just my belief) think it's wrong that a religion was made out of a book, but lets not go there right now...

Back to the meaning of this thread: Fallen angels were obviously "Angels" at one point. The Nephililm are fallen Angels, correct? Christians say that the Nephilim were ET's, so how does that not make Angels, Demons, and even God (Jehova, sorry) an ET as well?

My personal CONVICTION is that anything divine from the bible is ET. It's that simple, and my mind will not change on this one, please don't even try. It's so damn obvious to me and I just don't know how others can't or won't see this.

Also, it is my opinion that the word "God", coming from the bible is a misnomer. Sounds to me like some ET (apparently a "higher up" ET: King/ruler/etc with an ego) was taking the credit for creating the universe, which *I* think is total BS. This King had his followers: Angels - as they are called in the bible.

So, to tie it all together - Jehova comes here with his followers (Angels). He has his own itinerary, but some rebel. That group gets kicked out of Jehova's "kingdom". The leader of the resistance is named Lucifer, and HIS group are called "demons".

But they're all just ET - not divine, and sure as hell not "God", or whatever really created the universe. Besides - what really IS a "God" anyway???

Modernize the story: switch the words "God" or "Jehova" (and Angels and Lucifer and Demons) with ET's and there's a more plausible story - a happy medium between both science and religion.

Am I crazy, or does this sound probable????

Let me hear the rebuttal! And you know what? I never thought I'd say this: spew the bible quotes this time! But keep an open mind - I INSIST.

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Even Jesus Himself told Pilate, " I am from above... My kingdom is not of this world..." If the intent is to say that anything not from the Earth is ET or "Extra terrestrial" than yes is the answer. As for Nephilim, they are not fallen Angels, they are the hybrid offspring of fallen Angel and human beings.

Me and the OP go WAY back on this one......( my post "Heaven is space, Angels are Aliens) and we have ALWAYS seen eye to eye on this topic....so I'm here to back him up....

For you debunkers on this theory......

Please understand that me and the OP are correct on the simple fact that when the ancients described SPACE, they named it HEAVEN....thus, when they described these beings from 'HEAVEN' they named them ANGELS, what we in modern day call ALIENS...same thing, updated termionlogy

GOD is a term, not a name...there were many 'gods'...GOD is described as a 'supreme, being...Supreme also means 'higher' which means 'advanced'......these "higher advanced beings" which came from what was known as heaven are ALIENS. Mankind only worshipped the gods because first of all we were created to be their slaves....That describes religions "master/slave" relationship (to god).

As a Christian, I too do consider this topic to be one and the same.

Alien is "Not of this Earth" which the last time I recall reading the Bible, is exactly what GOD and the Sons of GOD are.

There place of Habitation are the Heavens.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Me and the OP go WAY back on this one......( my post "Heaven is space, Angels are Aliens) and we have ALWAYS seen eye to eye on this topic....so I'm here to back him up....

For you debunkers on this theory......

Please understand that me and the OP are correct on the simple fact that when the ancients described SPACE, they named it HEAVEN....thus, when they described these beings from 'HEAVEN' they named them ANGELS, what we in modern day call ALIENS...same thing, updated termionlogy

As noted, I have no problem with such views. I would suggest the "Terminology" is nothing UPDATED, but PERVERTED by the inspiration of the Fallen.

GOD is a term, not a name...there were many 'gods'...GOD is described as a 'supreme, being...Supreme also means 'higher' which means 'advanced'......these "higher advanced beings" which came from what was known as heaven are ALIENS. Mankind only worshipped the gods because first of all we were created to be their slaves....That describes religions "master/slave" relationship (to god).

Now it is this that I do have problems with.

GOD is the Almighty Creator. Called by many names, but the Father of everything.

Yes, there were many "gods" but these are not GOD. They are the Sons of GOD who chose to leave their place of Habitation (the Heavens) and "take" the daughters of man, and set themselves up as gods, enslaving mankind.

And for your clairity, this corruption of the "Religion" of GOD originated here, with the PreFlood infusion of Satanic inspired deviations of the Original Way of Life. We where never created to be slaves. Free will is key in respects to this. We where created to be GOOD STEWARDS of this EARTH.

But this is an example of what your "many gods" have brought us. The Destruction of the Earth and it's resources, along with corruption of the Original "Religion of the ALMIGHTY GOD".

It's all be perverted and twisted, as is the case of calling a spade a spade.

Angels are Angels which are alien to this earth
The Fallen are the Fallen, which are alien to the earth, yet still work and develope their god trip through supple manipulations and fabrications to cause the illusion of a wonder to give the appearance of being a god. As an example, The Patheons of the gods are The Fallen and being thus are infact also aliens to this earth.

It doesn't matter what "We" wish to call them today. They are still what they are and have always been. This will never change.

Ciao

Shane

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Maybe they are called "fallen" angels because they came down to earth. The bible was written for earthlings. And maybe Jesus and Lucifer are actually one in the same. Jesus is Satan. Satan is Jesus. Satan/Jesus cant be f-d with. Satan's the king of hell. Jesus is the king of heaven. Same deal.

Nephilim is from the hebrew root Nafal - to fall. It thus is connected to the concept of "falling".

Nephilim signifiy fallen SPIRITUAL states. This is what the Torah means. In fact, if you were to analyze an extra canonical book like the Book of Enoch, right there you have a perfect albeit it cloaked description of the fall of man.

The "watchers" signify a spiritual awarness of "watching" - watch what you might ask?. Your behavior. But also, more mystical, the conscious awareness of my lower self, my spiritual faculties being outside my true self. Thus this incredibly high spiritual awareness is aptly called "watchers". Adam was created with a percect awareness of G-d - thus he was placed in the Garden (the physical world) to tend it (to serve G-d within it). When however Adam ate from the tree of knowledge, his will became confused with G-ds will, reality interblended and became a composite of good and evil, truth and falsehood. As such, Adam went from "watching" himself, to eventually succumbing to physicality. Physicality is symbolized metaphorically (as all symbols of this nature are) by 'women'. "the Watchers lusted after human females and cohabitted with them". Understood mystically this means Mankind went from being spiritually aware and 'watching' themselves to beginning to lust after physicality - chief of which is the lust for sex. Thus, Adams spiritual awareness of 'watching' a very high and noble spiritual awareness was diverted - that is, the pristine energy of this awareness was funnelled into strengthening his physical animal soul and its desires. Thus, " the watchers cohabitted with human women and from this the nephilim were born" This means that this succumbng to matter and materiality produced desires - fallen spiritual states, archetypes of compulsion towards gross and material things. Instead of being in G-ds presence, and basking in his light, Adam was now alone, in the wilderness, lusting after physicality. Nephilim symbolize an assortment of fallen emotional states. Lust for food, sex, money, power, knowledge, or a depression, torpor, lazineness, anger, arrogance, deception, doubt, etc. Each of these are fallen - Nephilim, from the Hebrew root Nafal.

This is what the torah means.

This is how mystics properly understand it.

The idea that Nephilim were aliens is most probably propaganda and misinformation to mislead people from the proper understanding of biblical spirituality.

And it appears to be working quite well.

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And since you agree with the bible do you also agree that Jesus is the king of kings and you can't f with him?

Originally posted by EddieBee
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And since you agree with the bible do you also agree that Jesus is the king of kings and you can't f with him?

The bible is two different areas

Theres the Tanakh - the Hebrew bible,

and than theres the new testament.

The question ultimately to be asked is, what relationship is there between the two? does the new testament uphold the Hebraic ethos of reality? or does it instead form a hybrid of pagan and Jewish elements into its theory of reality?

Speaking as a former christian and student of philosophy, i will have to relent and say the latter is the case.

Most christians who think otherwise do so out of an ignorance of Jewish philosophy and pre-christian pagan philosophy. If you were to compare early Judaism to lets say, Hellenism, you would see an exact parallel between christianity and Judaism.(keep in mind most schools of paganism are fundamentally alike, in that they elevate and deify the self above the creator). Judaism is legalistic. This is so because man is inherently subject to a mistakened and subjective view of reality. In order for man to rationalize properly, the creator prescribed laws and rules by which man is to govern himself. Conversely, in greece, man is considered the be all end all. The creator (Uranous), as Greek Mythology depicts, was 'castrated' at the behest of Gaia by her son Cronus. This depicts the pagan, indo european conception of reality. G-d left the world after he created it. As such, he is no longer relevant. Greek philosophy doesnt completely disregard the creator G-d. He is granted a lesser role as Zeus in their pantheon (from where the latin Deus - is etymologically derived). The most fundamental feature of pagan philosophy is a rather abstract one. Reality is a combination of of dual qualities. Good, Evil, Light, Dark, Up, Down etc... This dualism is derived from the perception that there are TWO separate powers in creation. The first is G-d, the creator, source of good, growth, beneficience etc. He is typified as the masculine giver. The second is the Female, the mother, Nature, but most importantly, the source of death, destruction, chaos. Her root is in the void - which is sheer nothingness, whereas G-d is the source of activity, creation. So you have two opposing forces. One the source of Something, the other of Nothing. This is the ancient pagan conception of reality. As such, for mankind to find peace in this life they are meant to reflect this relationship in their microcosmic 'self'. They therefore merge teh lower self into the 'higher self'. Note that G-d is seen as nothing more than a spiritual force, and the devil as another spiritual force. Together, they form the unified reality, which in gnostic thought is called abraxas. Man is meant to mirror these twins - G-d and the devil, good and evil, in their own personality.

In Hinduism, Vishnu incarnates as Krishna. Meaning the macrocosmic level of vishnu - the source of all reality, the 'higher self' is reflected in the human form - incarnated, as krishna, his avatar.. This is remarkably similar to the Christian version of G-d becoming man. In other words, in Hindu mystic schools, Krishna is the personality all initiates seek to attain. The awareness of a reality that is inherently singular, beyond dualities and therefore beyond morality. Krishna brings the higher self into the human condition.

Judaism prescribes 10 commandments. True, christians on the whole do honor these commandments. And i have great admiration for that. But, the new testament says nothing about that. Jesus prescribes his own commandments which themselves demand nothing physical, but are instead entirely abstract principles. They do not demand action, but thought, introspection. This is mighty similar to the Greek, Roman intellectualism which preceded Christianity. Bearing that in mind, it is mighty 'coincidental' that it was THROUGH the medium of the Roman empire that Christianity gained momentum.

So, the question remains. Does Christianity honor Judaism, its mission in the world? Does Christianity uphold the traditional Jewish conception of the messiah as a ORDINARY man born of normal human parents?. Or does it instead allegorize the pagan concept of physcality as a 'virgin birth' - that is, propose a complete seperation between the father - G-d, and the revealed world 'the mother'.. The void - the mother, if described as a virgin, is metaphorically alluding to a separation between the male and female principles. The father was not involved in her generation, and therefore the mother is considered a power unto herself, producing christ, who is 'free from blemish' that is moral blemish, and 'worthy' of G-ds mercy.Therefore Jesus dint prescribe any commandments, because he was coming to UNDO the law of moses. I should note that in Christianities esoteric dimension, gnosticism, sinful behavior is deemed necessary in ORDER to experience G-ds mercy. One has to be as far as possible in order to come as close as possible.

I have nothing against christians. I personally am turned off by Christianites pagan foundations, its betrayal of Judaism - her parent and her abuse of the Jewish people. But Christians in general are good people.

So, nope, do not believe in jesus. People who think as you do arent understanding the real message behind christianity, or religion in general. Religion is mysticism. you cant separate the two. They are interwoven, One without the other is a body without a soul.

When it comes down to it, what will you stand for? Will you stand in the dark or will you lite it up? The darkness will fade eventually. Darkness cant extinguish light, it's impossible. Darkness only exists because of lack of light. All truth seekers are the light (and i'm not talking about the spies who run the churches and sit next to the light in the pews or own the buildings).

Originally posted by impaired
Back to the meaning of this thread: Fallen angels were obviously "Angels" at one point. The Nephililm are fallen Angels, correct? Christians say that the Nephilim were ET's,

Not taking a stance here. Just wondering where the Nephilim=ET comes from in a Christian point of view.

I haven't seen or heard that from any formal Christian group.

Just wondering.

I'd have to say that I don't agree with the idea that the Nephilim would be aliens from a religious point of view.
I'm not saying that religious people don't believe aliens exist but that the Nephilim are -according to religious writings and associated literature- the offspring of the watchers which are fallen angels that mated with humans.

Originally posted by EddieBee
When it comes down to it, what will you stand for? Will you stand in the dark or will you lite it up? The darkness will fade eventually. Darkness cant extinguish light, it's impossible. Darkness only exists because of lack of light. All truth seekers are the light (and i'm not talking about the spies who run the churches and sit next to the light in the pews or own the buildings).

What do you mean stand up for the light?

If you mean what logically light is meant to represent, namely, good deeds, than i agree with you. Light - good deeds, transform the darkness of physicality into light....

I agree with that very much.

I dont mean to offend any christians. I respect the end action - the fruit. If a man or women , whether christian, hindu or muslims, makes a sincere effort to live a righteous life. To show kindness to others and treat others how you would want to be treated. To be sensitive of others realities, weakness' and accomodate for them, out of love and compassion, than you and me are on the same side, thinking the same things.

Judaism is the path im on. You could find tranquility, peace, and serve the creator, and others in any other tradition, buddhism, hinduism, christianity, islam etc...

As long as we respect though others, the importantance of social ACTION, and defending right because its right, than peace can exist. Isaiahs prophecy of a lamb laying with a lion is about this. The lion and lamb are two worlds apart, completely and utterly different from each other. No, in the messianic era a lion and a lamb will probably not lie together. Its a metaphor. The lion and lamb are the differentiations that create strife between man. Lion and lamb would be judaism and islam, christianity and islam, christianity and Judaism, Islam and Hinduism, Buddhism and Hinduism etc. Its the coexisting and understanding the unique worth and contribution that each of us possess to create a better world. Its BECAUSE of our very diversity that our peace will be that much greater. we would have transcended the limitations, differences, and identify with a singular source , in whichever way we each choose to relate with it.

However, Noah- the father of mankind was prophetically handed 7 commandments. 6 of which were initially given to Adam. Man has ethical laws which he objectvely must acknowledge and follow through in order for their to be peace and divine beneficence in the world.

1. Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
2. Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
3. Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.
4. Prohibition of Sexual immorality: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, sodomy, and bestiality.
5. Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
6. Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4, as interpreted in the Talmud (Sanhedrin 59a)
7. Requirement to have just Laws: Do not punish by these lessons

You have the wrong idea. Some Christians believe that fallen angels are PRETENDING to be aliens to appearl to people that don't believe in the supernatural anymore.

1st - Angels appear to mankind.
2nd - the gods appear to mankind
3rd - fairies appear to mankind
4th - aliens appear to mankind

It sounds unrelated, but do a side by side comparison and you'll see that they have a lot in common. Pretty much the same exact entity.

1 - fallen angels in the Bible kidnapped women in Noah's day
2 - the gods kidnapped women in legends around the world.
3 - fairies kidnapped people around the middle ages
4 - aliens are said to be kidnapping people now

What is the purpose for this kidnapping?

1 - the fallen angels had offspring called nephilim
2 - the gods had offspring called the demi-gods
3 - the fairs had offspring called changelings
4 - aliens have offspring refered to as hybrids

this is a lot more than coincidence. Whatever is presenting itself as aliens right now is the same thing that has been doing it all through history. All of the above entities have been said to kidnap women, rape them, and produce hybrid offspring. Anyone looking forward to inviting intergalactic, kidnapping, rapists has to be a complete moron.