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Originally posted by seircram
First off, there were never any "Fallen Angels". There were, however, "Fallen" DemiGods. Loosely, from the top, there is God, Archangels, Elohim, Demigods, Celestials, Angels, the Ascended Beings, and 3d land.
Next, your definition of "Angels" is too narrow. The original Archangels are unique in that they have never incarnated into a non-Angelic form from their original God Spark and thus remain the closest entities to God.
However, "Angels" in general can certainly be ETs. They can be ex-humans, they can be members of the "Other Kingdoms", etc.
There is basically no "reincarnation" above the 4th dimension. And reincarnation is the fastest path to spiritual growth and progress in the 3rd dimension. So how does one grow spiritually in the higher dimensions? Be becoming an Angel, for one thing. Or a Spirit Guide or spiritual Teacher, etc.
That heaven was in the sky, so there wasn't any reason to differentiate the two. Ancient people had no concept of outer space. The space was the sky and stars were just points of light, high in the sky. So God would have basically lived here, or what would be "here" to us today.
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by jmdewey60
I am not sure I understand what your point is. I am sorry.
Originally posted by impaired
Where's his love? Is this a fact? It's just info coming from his mouth to a transcribist's ears. Then even manipulated though out the many years.
His love is right outside, waiting for you to open the door. What do you mean is this fact? How can you even prove love exists if not for feeling it?
There is more than one-way to peace. You can follow the rules and be a good person (service to others) and not have to have this guy as you're "God". Why not?
What if I do the right thing to the best of my ability? Does that cut it?
No, that does not cut it. How can He welcome you into His arms if you don't believe His arms are there?
I don't reject "God" (Whatever that word means, anyway). I just reject Jehova.
And I thought all evil is the influence of satan and his possee?
Also, what if I don't accept him personally but still follow the code by doing the right thing anyway?
"Evil" is the influence of the satans. However, sin gets easier and easier. Your flesh makes it into habit. Sometimes only one temptation lasts a lifetime. Addiction to porn? Cleptomaniacs? These are examples....They continue because of their own free will.
Again, how can He accept you if you do not accept Him? If He is nonexistant, then so must you be to Him.
And what are some of the blaphemous ways of man? Do they include questioning an ultimateum that it given to us by many other religions? How are we supposed to know that your religion is any more right than the Koran, or the Torah, or the Sumerians? The egyptians? Why is your God one of many OTHER God's? Why is he in competition with them? Very insecure. What are the implications of these other god's existing and religions proclaiming the same thing? That Jehova isn't the only "God".
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
Use your sense, reason, and intellect and find the answers in your heart of hearts. Why wouldn't there be "other god's"? Of course there is going to be competition for souls. Lucifer did want to be worshipped didn't he? Did he not want to be just like God? Use what has been graciously given to you and seek Him diligently.
Bottom line is, you're believe a book with translation-issues from a 3rd-hand source that is from HIS perspective and his influence. What about them apples??
[edit on 11/26/2009 by impaired]
[edit on 11/26/2009 by impaired]
The bottom line is that you worship your own wisdom and knowledge and dare not seek beyond yourself. Bind your ego and live a life beyond yourself.
Originally posted by impaired
Just because love is felt means it's Jehova's? This is typical bible ediquette.
This sounds like a forced belief. And a paradox - a mind-trip. I don't think that love is a "god" - Jehova's at that. Just a beautiful feeling.
That's fine. I'm just not friends with murderers. Or ones who treat their creations like an ant farm.
Galileo was the man!
But I don't agree with that. Haha. Why give us sense, reason and intellect if we couldn't use it anyway? That's absurd and doesn't jive at least in today's society. If you're justifying that quote, then you yourself are admitting that it is not "appropriate" (in a Christians or other religious person's eyes) to think outside the box. You just said it. And wasn't Galileo under pressure from the church back then anyway? Regardless...
Did. We had different views of opinion. So I'm "the devil", huh?
I don't worship anything, dude! Ok. I worship "Life". I lied...
I think EVERYTHING that lives and feels pain is special. And isn't searching for answers seeking beyond yourself?? Am I missing something here??? I am as humble as they come, that's why I look at life the way I do (the EXPERIENCE of life that we all go through is what I mean).
We all feel so much pain in life due to landmines that were set for us (supposedly), and then WE have to pay by burning in hell for eternity. Just because I won't believe something that comes from ONE SOURCE.
And like I said - we feel pain - physical and mental. And spiritual. You expect me to want to worship an entity that SAYS we will roast while we scream in agony for eternity? At least that's the scare to get you to believe in him... Jeez. If he were as powerful as he said he was, things wouldn't have gotten out of control. He could have just destroyed Satan or Lucifer before it happened the whole thing happened. Too many paradoxes... Jehova couldn't of know because he was a fallable biological entity. With an Ego. Ahem. According to what I believe.
Originally posted by Sky watcher
If Prometheus ever really existed and was a god then he was a WATCHER!! and has another name just like Apollo the destroyer who is really Semjazza the leader of the Watchers and Satan himself. Get it?
You really anger Jesus by worshiping these Demi-gods.
god and the angels do not live in space/time with us, for god lives outside of time and can see all the events of the universe from the big bang till the end we live in 4 dimensions, 3 of space and 1 of time that were created by the big bang going off in the void. No alien, no anyone, or thing, that lives in our 4 dimensional universe can be god or angels god, angels, heaven/hell, would all exist outside all of this, which would technically make them higher dimensional beings. being in a higher dimension, they can look down on all of creation, the entire universe from big bang to now, to the future to the end of it all and see it all at once like a long movie reeled off its 35mm film. this is akin to a large pond which we can stand on the bank and look into, we can even reach in a pull fish out of the pond.. we can dive into the pond... we can see all of the pond, and its earthlings and aliens, but we ourselves would be outside it all looking in.
"And the Sophia of the Epinoia, being an aeon, conceived a thought from herself and the conception of the invisible Spirit and foreknowledge. She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of the Spirit, - he had not approved - and without her consort, and without his consideration. And though the person of her maleness had not approved, and she had not found her agreement, and she had thought without the consent of the Spirit and the knowledge of her agreement, (yet) she brought forth. And because of the invincible power which is in her, her thought did not remain idle, and something came out of her which was imperfect and different from her appearance, because she had created it without her consort. And it was dissimilar to the likeness of its mother, for it has another form.
"And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. And she surrounded it with a luminous cloud, and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth.
Because of the power of the glory he possessed of his mother's light, he called himself God.
"And having created [...] everything, he organized according to the model of the first aeons which had come into being, so that he might create them like the indestructible ones. Not because he had seen the indestructible ones, but the power in him, which he had taken from his mother, produced in him the likeness of the cosmos. And when he saw the creation which surrounds him, and the multitude of the angels around him which had come forth from him, he said to them, I am a jealous God, and there is no other God beside me.' But by announcing this he indicated to the angels who attended him that there exists another God. For if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous?
"Then the mother began to move to and fro. She became aware of the deficiency when the brightness of her light diminished. And she became dark because her consort had not agreed with her."
....she had seen the wickedness which had happened, and the theft which her son had committed, she repented. And she was overcome by forgetfulness in the darkness of ignorance and she began to be ashamed. And she did not dare to return, but she was moving about. And the moving is the going to and fro.
"And the arrogant one took a power from his mother. For he was ignorant, thinking that there existed no other except his mother alone. And when he saw the multitude of the angels which he had created, then he exalted himself above them.
And I said, "Lord, from where did the counterfeit spirit come?"
I am a jealous God, and there is no other God beside me.' But by announcing this he indicated to the angels who attended him that there exists another God. For if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous?
"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil. They brought gold and silver and a gift and copper and iron and metal and all kinds of things. And they steered the people who had followed them into great troubles, by leading them astray with many deceptions. They (the people) became old without having enjoyment. They died, not having found truth and without knowing the God of truth. And thus the whole creation became enslaved forever, from the foundation of the world until now. And they took women and begot children out of the darkness according to the likeness of their spirit. And they closed their hearts, and they hardened themselves through the hardness of the counterfeit spirit until now.
Originally posted by impaired
I see a lot of Christians saying that the Nephilim are Aliens. Ok. Now, I believe the bible (historically speaking) to an extent. I just think things haven't been translated correctly and things get taken out of context a lot - as well as there weren't words to correctly explain what was going on when these stories were written. Also, I (just my belief) think it's wrong that a religion was made out of a book, but lets not go there right now...
Back to the meaning of this thread: Fallen angels were obviously "Angels" at one point. The Nephililm are fallen Angels, correct? Christians say that the Nephilim were ET's, so how does that not make Angels, Demons, and even God (Jehova, sorry) an ET as well?
My personal CONVICTION is that anything divine from the bible is ET. It's that simple, and my mind will not change on this one, please don't even try. It's so damn obvious to me and I just don't know how others can't or won't see this.
Also, it is my opinion that the word "God", coming from the bible is a misnomer. Sounds to me like some ET (apparently a "higher up" ET: King/ruler/etc with an ego) was taking the credit for creating the universe, which *I* think is total BS. This King had his followers: Angels - as they are called in the bible.
So, to tie it all together - Jehova comes here with his followers (Angels). He has his own itinerary, but some rebel. That group gets kicked out of Jehova's "kingdom". The leader of the resistance is named Lucifer, and HIS group are called "demons".
But they're all just ET - not divine, and sure as hell not "God", or whatever really created the universe. Besides - what really IS a "God" anyway???
Modernize the story: switch the words "God" or "Jehova" (and Angels and Lucifer and Demons) with ET's and there's a more plausible story - a happy medium between both science and religion.
Am I crazy, or does this sound probable????
Let me hear the rebuttal! And you know what? I never thought I'd say this: spew the bible quotes this time! But keep an open mind - I INSIST.
[edit on 11/22/2009 by impaired]
Originally posted by ButterCookie
Me and the OP go WAY back on this one......( my post "Heaven is space, Angels are Aliens) and we have ALWAYS seen eye to eye on this topic....so I'm here to back him up....
For you debunkers on this theory......
Please understand that me and the OP are correct on the simple fact that when the ancients described SPACE, they named it HEAVEN....thus, when they described these beings from 'HEAVEN' they named them ANGELS, what we in modern day call ALIENS...same thing, updated termionlogy
GOD is a term, not a name...there were many 'gods'...GOD is described as a 'supreme, being...Supreme also means 'higher' which means 'advanced'......these "higher advanced beings" which came from what was known as heaven are ALIENS. Mankind only worshipped the gods because first of all we were created to be their slaves....That describes religions "master/slave" relationship (to god).
Originally posted by EddieBee
reply to post by dontreally
And since you agree with the bible do you also agree that Jesus is the king of kings and you can't f with him?
Originally posted by impaired
Back to the meaning of this thread: Fallen angels were obviously "Angels" at one point. The Nephililm are fallen Angels, correct? Christians say that the Nephilim were ET's,
Originally posted by EddieBee
When it comes down to it, what will you stand for? Will you stand in the dark or will you lite it up? The darkness will fade eventually. Darkness cant extinguish light, it's impossible. Darkness only exists because of lack of light. All truth seekers are the light (and i'm not talking about the spies who run the churches and sit next to the light in the pews or own the buildings).