One could just as easily prove that the whole "gay rights" agenda is a left wing pet project that is not supported by the vast majority of people in ANY country and only maintained in the West by means of indoctrination.

Your point?

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
One could just as easily prove that the whole "gay rights" agenda is a left wing pet project that is not supported by the vast majority of people in ANY country and only maintained in the West by means of indoctrination.

Your point?

bravo

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
One could just as easily prove that the whole "gay rights" agenda is a left wing pet project that is not supported by the vast majority of people in ANY country and only maintained in the West by means of indoctrination.

Your point?

left wing pet project? lol

I forgot, "the gays" are not human beings in the eyes of conservatives So, when is Jesus marching them off to the camps then?

Is that the trains I hear?!

Originally posted by infiniteleft wing pet project? lol

I forgot, "the gays" are not human beings in the eyes of conservatives So, when is Jesus marching them off to the camps then?

I would be classed as conservative and regard gays as human beings- I do not wish to criminalise their sexuality- however the agenda to divide people into competing victim groups (including gays) is clearly a left wing agenda

Is that the trains I hear?!

Dunno, the communists and the national SOCIALISTS used trains to bring people to their death camps, do you live near such a place?

Why are you blaming all religion of this?
You're painting all religious people with one brush because a minority of assholes are doing an asshole thing. Its not 'collective christianity's' fault that some people are promoting homophobia. I know plenty of Christians that are tolerant/friends with, gays.

I also know plenty of atheist homophobics, and atheists who just say "# Africa" and "they dont do anything for us" and "but they owe us debt!".

Dont you watch South Park? A world without religions would just find something else, to kill ourselves over, with or without religion you are going to have assholes hating other people for their differences.

Originally posted by Ridhya
Why are you blaming all religion of this?
You're painting all religious people with one brush because a minority of assholes are doing an asshole thing. Its not 'collective christianity's' fault that some people are promoting homophobia. I know plenty of Christians that are tolerant/friends with, gays.

I also know plenty of atheist homophobics, and atheists who just say "# Africa" and "they dont do anything for us" and "but they owe us debt!".

Dont you watch South Park? A world without religions would just find something else, to kill ourselves over, with or without religion you are going to have assholes hating other people for their differences.

exactly, who do you think goes out and gives gays a kicking on the streets- do people think it is bible studying Christians, deeply religious types, or atheists who love to indulge in anti social behaviour whether against gays or just randoms

Originally posted by blueorder
Dunno, the communists and the national SOCIALISTS used trains to bring people to their death camps, do you live near such a place?

Oh God please do not get me started on this topic...
instead please GO DO SOME RESEARCH before even THINKING of comparing Stalin's dictatorship to communism, Nazism to communism, and even better, Obamas # to communism which I believe you implied...

Originally posted by Ridhya
Oh God please do not get me started on this topic...
instead please GO DO SOME RESEARCH before even THINKING of comparing Stalin's dictatorship to communism, Nazism to communism, and even better, Obamas # to communism which I believe you implied...

woaaaah there, I think you have taken the wrong end of the stick completely, but for the record I have read up immensely on National Socialism and Communism and I am quite happy to call Stalin's dictatorship communism - people try and waffle that it isn't "true" communism, but that is bogus, it is communism as practiced in the human world, not in a text book, still communism.

I will also compare Nazism to communism, two sides of the same coin to me

Originally posted by blueorder
I will also compare Nazism to communism, two sides of the same coin to me

Nazism is based on the idea that race and biology as a whole creates natural divisions among humanity and that class a social construct that must be overcome. For most people, life in Nazi society was prosperous in spite of their lack of political freedom.

Communism is based on the idea that biological differences are irrelevant and that class is a natural division of men. For most people, life in communist society meant poverty in spite of their claims of representing the working class.

There are some similarities between the practicaly application of both ideologies, but in many ways they're exact oposites.

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
Nazism is based on the idea that race and biology as a whole creates natural divisions among humanity and that class a social construct that must be overcome. For most people, life in Nazi society was prosperous in spite of their lack of political freedom.

Communism is based on the idea that biological differences are irrelevant and that class is a natural division of men. For most people, life in communist society meant poverty in spite of their claims of representing the working class.

There are some similarities between the practicaly application of both ideologies, but in many ways they're exact oposites.

My viewpoint is they both spring from the same human well spring- the desire for control and for nothing being outside the state- I am not a fascist but consider it the lesser of two evils when confronted with a choice of communism- thankfully I do not, and have not lived under either regime *yet*

Communists hated the fascists and vice versa because they sensed a kindred spirit who strayed from the path, Mussolini being a former communist despised by his former colleagues, and history shows us many such toing and froing.

Clearly the ideologies have differences though

Originally posted by infinite
left wing pet project? lol

I forgot, "the gays" are not human beings in the eyes of conservatives

One of my best friends is a lesbian.

I don't have any problems with homosexuals. I just have a problem with Political Correctness FORCING me to see homosexuality as normalcy rather than deviance and even promoting lesbianism among impressionable young feminists.

Originally posted by infinite
So, when is Jesus marching them off to the camps then?

Is that the trains I hear?!

I'm not even Christian, which shows how prejudiced you really are....

Originally posted by blueorder
My viewpoint is they both spring from the same human well spring- the desire for control and for nothing being outside the state- I am not a fascist but consider it the lesser of two evils when confronted with a choice of communism

Well, "democracy" is pretty much the ONLY political concept where the masses are expected to have a clue. Pretty much every non-democratic ideology considers only an educated elite worthy of political power, which makes sense to me and shouldn't be a factor in comparing ideologies.

Originally posted by blueorder
Communists hated the fascists and vice versa because they sensed a kindred spirit who strayed from the path

They hated each other because they had many views conflicting with the other side and they were equally radical in their views.

Originally posted by blueorder
Mussolini being a former communist despised by his former colleagues, and history shows us many such toing and froing.

I would agree that the step from "ultra-left" to "ultra-right" is far smaller than the step from either to more mainstream political views. I know several people who started out "ultra-left" and turned out "ultra-right" because their previous ideology no longer made any sense to them. A wise man once said : "he who wasn't a left wing when he was young has no heart and he who isn't right wing when he gets old has no brain". That pretty much sums it up for me

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
Well, "democracy" is pretty much the ONLY political concept where the masses are expected to have a clue. Pretty much every non-democratic ideology considers only an educated elite worthy of political power, which makes sense to me and shouldn't be a factor in comparing ideologies.

IN theory neither considers a specific elite to be worthy of power- in fascism, well, specifcally the German National socialist brand, anyone within the chosen volk- in Soviet Communism, anyone who wasn't part of the oppressive class- in reality we know *as in all such systems* it would be down to a chosen elite.

I was more making the point that both ideologies were focussed on everything being for the state and not outside the realm of the state

They hated each other because they had many views conflicting with the other side and they were equally radical in their views.

Certain views contradicted each other, others were very similar- they hated each other because they were basically fighting for the same ground, and they both knew it

I would agree that the step from "ultra-left" to "ultra-right" is far smaller than the step from either to more mainstream political views. I know several people who started out "ultra-left" and turned out "ultra-right" because their previous ideology no longer made any sense to them. A wise man once said : "he who wasn't a left wing when he was young has no heart and he who isn't right wing when he gets old has no brain". That pretty much sums it up for me

haha, yes, I have heard that quote, a lot of truth in it

Originally posted by Ridhya
The most obvious fact that completely negates what you said is that Stalin was the DICTATOR, he was above the law, thought of himself as God, whereas in communism everyone is equal, there are no dictators being waited on hand and foot every whim done, because that makes him above everyone else. Lenin warned everyone on his death bed what would hapen if Stalin took power.

Stalin was a Communist, you could call him a dictator who was communist if you wish, I really don't care but communist is what he was- this is communism in reality, I find it so frustrating when people trot out this line, there is no communist utopia, it only exists in books, this is communism in reality


As for Lenin, Stalin was just carrying on his tyrannical, murderous, barbaric tradition- I personally hope they are rotting in hell beside each other

And now you're doing the same thing as academia and painting ATHEISTS with the same brush.

No i'm not, I am saying that the feral kids in my country *UK* who would indulge in anti social behaviour including attacking gays would not be religious types- that does not mean all non religious types attack gays

Originally posted by blueorder
IN theory neither considers a specific elite to be worthy of power- in fascism, well, specifcally the German National socialist brand, anyone within the chosen volk- in Soviet Communism, anyone who wasn't part of the oppressive class- in reality we know *as in all such systems* it would be down to a chosen elite.

But the idea of the Nazis was to make everyone a part of that chosen group, by expelling all 'undesirables'. I should add not include women because they just saw women as production facility really.

And under communism, the idea was to make everyone part of one middle class. Basically I mean both not exclusionary, in the end, just in initial process.

I was more making the point that both ideologies were focussed on everything being for the state and not outside the realm of the state

Nazism certainly was just focussed on the german people but communism was supposed to eventually be a worldwide revolution, and thus not for the state, in fact eventually there should not exist a state. One reason people equate socialism to the NWO although they are very distinct.

I dunno about you but I am thinking all our post will be unreadable in a few hours if ya know what I mean
Back on topic...

yep, back on track, leave that for another time

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
One could just as easily prove that the whole "gay rights" agenda is a left wing pet project that is not supported by the vast majority of people in ANY country and only maintained in the West by means of indoctrination.

Your point?

who cares
right wing or left wing, I don't use these words unless it's a copy and paste
these lines were created to divide the people and make people think they have a choice

and I am conservative by the way

as you see from my reply to my thread I didn't comment on the left or right wing part.

It was only about the religion part

Originally posted by Ridhya
Why are you blaming all religion of this?
You're painting all religious people with one brush because a minority of assholes are doing an asshole thing. Its

yes it is the fault of religion

I am not paiting with a broad brush all religious people because I wasn't commenting on "people", I was commenting on religion.

And by the way christianity is against homosexuality in every angle you can look at it.

So the problem is religion, that's the root of the problem
religious people are only symptoms of the problem