I have to admit I have tempted to go down the freeman route for some time now..

thanks for posting the vid :-) S&F

Originally posted by Laurauk
OMG @ the ending, it actually brought tears to my eyes, is still trying not to become too over emotional.

Strange but true Laura. It's a surprisingly emotional presentation, because by the end of it you manage to grasp the reality of the situation - the magnitude of the slavery and deception. To think we were once a world of mostly free people. It's quite depressing, because if one were to consider only the threat of an encroaching new world order, which hasn't been fully successful yet at enslaving us, there's some dread but also some hope. To realise that we've already been slaves for decades, if not hundreds of years, without even knowing it, is the bleakest of thoughts.

Originally posted by Parallex
Please be aware that UK Column, TPUC, BBC5tv, The British Constitution Group, all have hidden links with the BNP, UKIP and other far right organisations.

Whilst their information is accurate, and their goals admirable, membership of their organisations have been saturated with peoples of questionable moral standards.

Hmmmm..... firstly, I'm not sure that TPUC has any particular link with the far right. I'd suggest that the only link is that supporters of far-right parties have also gravitated towards TPUC. Why? Because both are heavily anti-establishment. Like the BNP and UKIP or not, they are fighting a new world order, they are fighting the dominance of the banking world, they are fighting for free-speech and they are fighting for freedom. They might be doing these things in a way which conflicts with your personal ideology but they are the only significant parties doing it. It is a fact that Conservatism is closely tied with Libertarianism. Conservatives seek freedom for the individual and it only seems like they're trying to preserve archaic traditions because it is those archaic traditions which ensured and maintained individual freedom and prosperity. The far-right are basically ultra-conservatives. The far-left are marxists (ie ultra-socialists) who would seek to destroy all archaic rights and traditions and replace them with entirely new values.

Secondly, a BNP or UKIP member doesn't necessarily have to have questionable moral standards. I'd argue that a member of Labour, Conservative or LibDem - all parties who have or currently support the wars in the middle-east, have far more metaphorical blood on their hands and are thus of more questionable moral standards.

From the times of old, there have always been slaves, we always thought we were superior to our ancestors because we are intelligent and educated. but we were and still are ignorant to the truth.

We are living in the age of aquarius, the times of understanding, even christ said search for truth and it will set you free, maybe when we say yes we should say no, and when we say no we should say yes, YES? NO? .
no wonder we were confused, our teaching was flawed,

When we never understood, why there was one rule for us and a different rule for the rich,why the lowest paid worker earned a pittance and the educateds expences were a luxury plus earned plenty for little work, and yet we all pay the same for a loaf of bread,owning property for the (masses) is only a recent thing.
being taught obedience when young is to be controlled throughout life to serve. when we question oddities, we don,t have to accept the solutions or excuses offered anymore,if it don,t ring true,we can say NO, and not be scared of consequences, not anymore.

Unlike er, MR! Mask I am/was not that well informed of the legalese fictional "person" It does raise some questions for me however, for instance, how would human baby "Dolly"cloned in a lab achieve "person" status even if "Dada" was known but had expired a hundred years ago? And what about our obviously intelligent, (a prerequisite for being a person) alien friends parking their spaceship on the White House lawn...who's gonna write the ticket. Maybe all us humans need to do to escape the corporate trap is claim to be an alien .... come to think of it there are a few posters here at ATS who claim just that

No doubt this response won't be liked but here goes anyway. I'm going to talk about social services. The speaker talks about how the government can "steal your children" and says he will prove it by talking about cars. While I don't see the link and frankly I get that some may say well it's all about property and he is saying the government owns everything, it's still all total hogwash. The reason I'm going to talk about social services and children is because I've had some involvement there and it relates to a wider picture.

Firstly social services like indeed the whole government is populated by people, just the same as you or me. They make the decisions. It isn't a giant conspiracy that regular people make decisions based upon the welfare of someone else. To err is human, so the saying goes. Mistakes have been and will continue to be made. No one else can make those decisions, not cats or dogs, only humans, obviously.

Now before anyone says "yes, but the government defines what can be done" well yes, as opposed to whom? There are laws. Or legislation. It's nitpicking. It's guidance. Not overnight guidance mind you. Although I'm not for one second saying that it's a worldwide guidance. It varies, country to country.

I'm all for a detailed examination and rectification of the way humans live and are governed. But a command structure will exist. The human species is way to backward a species to function otherwise.

If an alien race looked upon us and had to decide based upon our way of life and living if we could be included into a peace loving civilised society then forget it. It would have little to do with what the speaker of that video had to offer but based upon the human need to shoot, kill, invade, conquer, dominate, control,paranoia, etc etc.
Pick your flaws either way but give your solution. Give a solution where everyone on this planet is equal, has food in their stomachs and no one, not a single person, is devious, self important or seeks power over another. Good luck for now.

This really is amazing - I can't wait to show my family and friends!

Thank you!

The site it's on is first class!

One of the most deserved S&F's of 2009 for sure...

Wow, British cops are pretty nice. Here in the US, that encounter would have gone very differently.

As for the rest, I don't know much about British law, but it seems a bit far-fetched. He does make some good points, and governments and law are really mostly about corporations and profit, however using Dunn and Bradstreet as proof that someone or some entity is a for-profit corporation is just plain silly.

In the United States,they,the founding fathers, got together and decided that we have inalienable rights, God given rights as human beings. We didn't sign them over to anybody to get a bc. Our laws are based on a contract, but a contract between those 13 colonies about what they would expect of each other. The contracts we have between ourselves and the state determine what we expect of the state and what the state expects of us in return. We don't have to serve in the military unless there is a draft but that is another story Our taxes are illegal because they are unconstitutional but that is another story too. opps I ran out of examples.
The states were formed by referendums of residents.
The county owns my house and lets me live in it as long as I pay them every year, otherwise they kick me out and give it to somebody else. The regulation that our child couldn't go to public school w/o vaccination was a lie because actually they allow you to opt out because of personal objection. You don't know what the laws really are sometimes unless you inquire a little We still wouldn't have got him vaccinated. We would have home schooled. In Germany they can't even home school.
How free are we, now, before the NWO take over? We have enough freedom to say what kind of character we want our country to have. If we don't do it pretty soon though, might will take over and we will have sacrificed our freedom.
We don't want the NWO to take over. There are at least 300 million people in this country who don't want the NWO taking over. That has to count for something.
Is this registration of human beings that he talks about linked with the NWO takeover. If you have a bc does that mean that you are the property of the devil.I know this is disorganized, but there is a lot going on in different directions with this thing.

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I've been looking into this a bit myself lately. It seems to be taking hold better in places like Canada and maybe England. I'm not quite sure why, but I suspect that America is too far gone into a Police State; that regardless of how real Common Law is, or how real the fact that we are all 'employees' of the corporate entity of the USA and voluntarily submit to the 'corporate' acts and legislation..they will still just arrest you, lock you up, fine you, ect.. The fact that it IS hard to find good solid information tells me it is has validity. Because if it IS true, you can imagine they will try very very hard to cover it up, or throw up a lot of disinformation around it.

Couple things I have learned though to clarify for some people. There are a couple of things you have to do in order to make yourself a 'free man'. You first have to make a declaration of such. This is quite lengthy and detailed from what I have seen, and needs to be quite specific depending on what country you live in (and maybe even state, county, ect). This has to be notorized and than mailed out to all appropriate entities (the IRS, police, different government offices..I'm not even sure of the entire list). They have a certain amount of time to challenge this. I have not read of this being challenged anywhere, and I guess if you do it right they shouldn't be able to.

Along with this 'declaration' you may also set several exemptions for various reasons, like the need to maintain a DL or License Plates to keep from being harassed ect.. Also a fee schedule that you can charge anyone that does use your 'Legal' name. For example.. "sure you can give me this ticket for $100, now here is my bill for $1000 for using my name and taking up my time ect.." Since you set all this up ahead of time and sent this out to all interested parties (as above) apparently you CAN do this, and because of this it doesn't take long for courts to start leaving you alone.

Its important to remember that the Common Law still applies, you don't harm anyone or destroy any ones property. Your not living in anarchy and if you do break the 'Law' (ie..you hurt/kill someone and that includes your children) than 'they' do have the right (as Police Man/Women) to do whatever.

Research this very carefully, you really do have to know what you are doing in order to do this correctly, and even than I think it continues to be an uphill battle and more than likely not a fair one especially in the USA. A risk/benefit analysis may in fact show it to be safer to keep living in the system. (until you feel very comfortable with doing this, so far I do not yet).

My last gem, and this is something to keep in mind. Apparently Timothy McVeigh belonged to one of these Freeman groups, which had been infiltrated by the FBI (for surveillance). I don't recall exactly, but either before or after the OK bombing this 'group' was raided and several members tried for tax evasion and teaching others how to evade taxes (as best I can recall).

Its just something to be aware of and you should be very very cautious of anything you get into.

That video was a waste of my time. not only rubbish but an over stated one at that. Maybe you have that problem in the UK, Bummer for you.