Wow guys, you have to watch this, second wake up call., page 2
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reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 10:29 AM by JohnPhoenix
reply to post by Cythraul



I haven't done it yet, I am still researching all the ins and outs. Like I said this gets very deep. Anyone who studies this will feel like they may have bitten off more than they can chew. To learn all of this and be able to do it right is like getting a law degree.. there is that much info out there and the Gov doesn't make it easy that's for sure.. They want to stay in control of you.

The 2nd video (Redeeming the Straw Man) has lots of good info but folks I warn you these guys are Christians and they use some references to God and such.. it does not matter for the purpose of this discussion so if you watch it, please just ignore this language if it offends you.

The birth certificate thing is a great question. I don't know but I will research it.

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reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 10:58 AM by JohnPhoenix
reply to post by Amagnon



So true. Knowing this I can't talk to most people about it because I am labeled. This is just the way we are conditioned. We need TV commercials, radio spots, a deluge of mass media with all the correct info people need to see the truth and have the means to do something about it. But then what.. We can't vote anymore.. no point.. we would need a new government someplace else to start over. This may be the Only solution to the problems Americans face in America and for you guys in other countries.

Since there is no way to fix our problems from within AND get out from under the governments corporate control we would have no other choice but to get out. Problem we would all need to be organized all of us everywhere.. and all get out collectively together. A new melting pot made up of all our countries. Funding is a Big problem. We need a few Bill Gates on our side.


reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 11:04 AM by JohnPhoenix
reply to post by vimanarider



Oh yeah smart guy.. then how do you explain your local court house being listed? Your police stations? all of them. They are all there and they all of have corporate trading numbers. I know. I looked up the ones in my state (USA).


reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 11:06 AM by jimmyx
Originally posted by obsolete
Originally posted by vimanarider
His quoting of the Magna Carta and lawful rebellion is priceless, the law was repealed in 1216.


You may want to watch that segment again, I think you missed something.

Originally posted by vimanarider
And using entries on D&B as proof that countries and government entities are corporations is absurd.


Did you read what you just wrote? No fear, I quoted it below.

Originally posted by vimanarider
D&B is simply an agency for reporting business credit reference not all entries on their site are corporations.


BUSINESS is synonymous with CORPORATION.

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no it isn't synonymous...i owned a business, but was not incorporated...big, big difference. the biggest difference is who is held monetarily responsible, and here's one reason....if you, yourself own a business, and with good fortune, becomes successful to the point that you have to hire others to make critical decisions regarding the flow of business money, you would be wise to incorporate. this prevents someone blaming you directly for loses. since it was someone employed by you, that might have caused the loss, you do not want to be held personnally responsible. thus, the loss would be against the entire corporate entity. this is done by creating a corporation, with you becoming an employee.
individual people can be corrupted, or make mistakes, no matter how qualified they are. you do not want to lose all of your personal assets to a person like that, so you set up a corporation to take on all the losses, and exempt yourself from having to pay the losses.

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reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 11:26 AM by jimmyx
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
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post by vimanarider



Oh yeah smart guy.. then how do you explain your local court house being listed? Your police stations? all of them. They are all there and they all of have corporate trading numbers. I know. I looked up the ones in my state (USA).


i think you might be equating "control" with "accounting procedures"...and they are not equal. when countries "trade" with each other, the parties involved, need to have a standard method of accounting, with standard rules and regulations involving money. countries in the past have gone to war over such disputes. so, they base it on a corporate model. this has nothing to do as far as a country being governed. a dictatorship (united arab emirates) doing business with america (a democratic republic) are governed quite differently, but they do business in a standardized accounting regimen. in other words...this keeps all parties on the same page involving money

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reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 11:40 AM by Staafke
reply to post by Ignorance Denied


My dear friend (yes, I'm calling you a friend...)
I would like to give you all of my gratitude for this post, the video was truly astounding. It finally finished a puzzle I was trying to solve since a young adult. I've been putting out these issues in talks with people (especially the birth certificate dupe) but it always ended up with them staring at me like I was some kind of freak... This movie now gives me the knowledge and power to investigate the situation here in Belgium, where it is the common policy to divide people (dutch vs french), to overwhelm them with bureaucratic nonsense and to rob us from every penny (for every 100 euro's I earn, I'm giving back AT LEAST 60 euro's without questions asked...)

I'll check Harris' website out, maybe one day I'll be taking the opportunity to give these kind of seminars in dutch, I really hope so. I've been desperately searching for doing something meaningful in life, and this is about it!

Thanks again, my friend!

PS: I wish I could give a thousand stars and a multiple of flags!


reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 11:55 AM by ufoptics
reply to post by vimanarider



Your soooo wrong my friend, start your research now and educate yourself. What you will find will amaze you. These are very true facts, not only in the UK, but as well as here in the good ole USA. One fact he was wrong on was destroying the birth certificate. You want to take back the right of lien of said birth certificate.
If you do your homework, you will find each BC is registered and lien-ed by the USA, Inc. And as shameful as it is, some of these lien-ed BC's are in the possession of other countries in Lu of debt owed to them by the USA.
I hope you do research this and may be afterwards do your own thread on your findings.


reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 12:11 PM by ReelView
What he's saying applies as much to the USA as it does in the UK. Under Common Law, the Criminal law of the land for the USA, it is a crime to mislead people in/into an agreement (a contract). The application of Statutes/Regulations/policies/acts/etc is done by fraud or misleading people into agreements. The courts commit fraud by not telling us they consider us "wards" of the company, city, state, court, etc... This is the basis of the massive crimes being committed by Cities, counties, states, feds. This is the basis of their rationals for abuse. Police are moving more and more towards treating people as simply commodities to be managed without any regard, respect, etc.. In other words they (police, judges) imagine they have "jurisdiction" over you. If you don't tell them you don't recognize their authority and require ie you won't contract with them, then they rationalize that you have accepted (by implication) them as an authority over you.

This is the perverted minds of the legal society and it's associates they commit fraud, extortion, kidnapping under a foolish rational because they are getting away with it. They make up words. But at the core they obey a rules framework and if you can stand up to their framework you can manage them.

The legal society is the heart of almost all conspiracy and corruption. Who does the government go to for advice? To the legal society. Who does the legal society owe an allegiance to? The Crown Court. Who is the Crown Court? The Templar Crown Court of the Vatican.


reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 12:44 PM by rogerstigers
I have often pondered this sort of thing. I have heard these ideas referenced many times over the past couple of decades and found they resonated as true.

Here is my take and my reasoning as to why there is a logical basis behind this.

1) I am a physical human being composed of materials that have been around a lot longer than any body politic (although not in this current form)

2) I have the ability to behave upon my own volition. I can CHOOSE to act in whatever way suits me. The only cavaet is that there will always be consequences to my actions.

3) Any authority is only as valid as the entity granting such authority says it is. I can choose not to follow any laws or statutes, claiming that the authority has no claim over me. They cannot FORCE me to follow their laws. They can try to coerce me to follow them, but it will ALWAYS be my choice. So the only one who can grant an entity authority over me is me.

I think this fellow in the video says it very well. The only way to beat this game is to learn the rules. You cannot just leave the playing field. In order to do that, one would have to have their own private and self-sustaining island. But to learn what the rules are empowers one to play the game actively instead of just being a game piece.

Money, in the end, is not the primary currency. It cannot be because it does not have any intrinsic value. A piece of paper or metal currency set on a table will not have accomplished anything of its own volition within any period of time. Humans are the currency. They can produce change and thus have an intrinsic value based on their knowledge, experience, and capabilities.

So learn the rules of the game and play it well. Stop being a game piece. I think that is the real message being sent here.



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reply posted on 15-11-2009 @ 01:14 PM by Laurauk
reply to post by kayne1982



Thank you Kayne, for the link, One might check that out later. , As for the revelation part well maybe it could be to some of the population off the UK since this is where the conference took place. There is alot out there whome believe what the Govenrment is doing for their own good. Maybe it is about time they are educated. This Video posed by the O/P I think is one way of doing so. I for one would go along to one of his seminar/conferences.



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