Originally posted by Ecidemon

I'm sorry, Sir/Ma'm, but you haven't the foggiest idea what type of 'people' I am. I would respectfully request you stick to the facts and not fanciful allegations and interpretations.

I am a man, and I am "sticking to the facts", and showing the truth. I was born and experienced true Socialism, also known as Communism. As a child our teachers would indoctrinate into us the lies of true Socialism/Communism, and to hate, and to blame it all on Capitalism, when the true enemy has ALWAYS been true Socialism/Communism.

Now, in the United States, the Socialist/Communist elites are implementing this "disease and plague", under the name of Progressive/Democracy.

But no matter how many times they change the name, the end result is ALWAYS the same. The subjugation of the people by consolidating ALL power to the STATE, and the destruction of INDIVIDUAL freedom.

If we are to stop what is happening in countries like China, and Cuba, we first must stop the implementation of those very similar programs in the United States, and the free world.

You Sir/Ma'm can believe and claim whatever you want, but you can't change the truth.

Originally posted by BetweenTheLine
Horrible horrible things happen every second, you do what you can for the situations you can help. And for the others you try to make as many others aware of the situation as possible while dealing with your grief. My friend, please try not to dwell on the sadness of this world, do not forget.. but do not dwell. For it will bring you down and make u ineffective at protecting the people. Stay strong my friend, stay strong.

I would say that in sadness comes much happiness. You cannot have sadness without happiness, and you cannot have happiness without sadness. (Direct comment to this quote, not the thread being discussed)

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I'm sorry, Sir/Ma'm, but you haven't the foggiest idea what type of 'people' I am. I would respectfully request you stick to the facts and not fanciful allegations and interpretations.

I am a man, and I am "sticking to the facts", and showing the truth. I was born and experienced true Socialism, also known as Communism. As a child our teachers would indoctrinate into us the lies of true Socialism/Communism, and to hate, and to blame it all on Capitalism, when the true enemy has ALWAYS been true Socialism/Communism.

Now, in the United States, the Socialist/Communist elites are implementing this "disease and plague", under the name of Progressive/Democracy.

But no matter how many times they change the name, the end result is ALWAYS the same. The subjugation of the people by consolidating ALL power to the STATE, and the destruction of INDIVIDUAL freedom.

If we are to stop what is happening in countries like China, and Cuba, we first must stop the implementation of those very similar programs in the United States, and the free world.

You Sir/Ma'm can believe and claim whatever you want, but you can't change the truth.

The bitter truth is individuals who seek power will do whatever they can to receive it. You can give it whatever name you like, but in the end, it's what the population chooses to live with.

Please, stop with the socialism and Communism comparisons, they are at the opposite end of the political spectrum, and this has little to do with the topic at hand.

If you would like to have a socialism vs communism debate, there is a forum for that. I, however, support neither, but I understand the fundamental differences between the two.

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Originally posted by Ecidemon
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The bitter truth is individuals who seek power will do whatever they can to receive it. You can give it whatever name you like, but in the end, it's what the population chooses to live with.

....The population, and more so those who have no experience in these matters can be indoctrinated into accepting and believing lies. Which is what happened to most true Socialist/Communist states... Ony when the truth of these systems is experienced by the people, do they see the error of giving up INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM for some dellusional "collective"...

You can take away the rights of every individual by claiming that "it is for the good of the whole". This has always been the excuse to implement Socialist/Communist dictatorships.

Originally posted by Ecidemon
Please, stop with the socialism and Communism comparisons, they are at the opposite end of the political spectrum, and this has little to do with the topic at hand.

This is happening in a Communist nation. If you don't like the discussion, you can stay out of it.

The root of the problem for what is happening in Communist China, is "true Socialism/Communism." There is no way around it, no matter how many old excuses you try to come up with.

Originally posted by Ecidemon
If you would like to have a socialism vs communism debate, there is a forum for that. I, however, support neither, but I understand the fundamental differences between the two.
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Since Socialism is a stage before Communism, of course there are SOME differences....but at the end they are based on the same goals...

If you don't want to discuss what is the root problem of what is happening to children like this one in China, then stay out.

If your "sensibilities" about the truth of Socialism/Communism are bothered by the truth, then don't be part of any discussion that deals with it.

I know, and have experienced the fundamental similarities between the two.

I also know that true Socialism, even according to Marx, is but a stage to convert a Capitalist, and Republic nation, into the final goal of a Communist Dictatorship.

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Personally, I seek a good lawyer and go head their advice, then, go to a better lawyer and heed his advice and then go to a 3rd laywer and compare all 3~! I'd get a video if I could...THEN go see them.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, get a 2nd opinion (or 3rd in this case). As the posters b4 me has pointed out, it will be hard to prove it came out of the box without a vid.

However, heed this warning, if it is proven it is actually from china, (it may have been made there but packaged elsewhere) then I would document EVERYTHING I did to protect me and my family. Sounds paranoid? Perhaps, but what if I'm right? We're talking about one of the biggest world powers on earth, with the manpower to back up their secrets.

Seriously, I'd video my life for the next year, if this ever went public.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

....The population, and more so those who have no experience in these matters can be indoctrinated into accepting and believing lies. Which is what happened to most true Socialist/Communist states... Ony when the truth of these systems is experienced by the people, do they see the error of giving up INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM for some dellusional "collective"...

You can take away the rights of every individual by claiming that "it is for the good of the whole". This has always been the excuse to implement Socialist/Communist dictatorships.

Originally posted by Ecidemon
Please, stop with the socialism and Communism comparisons, they are at the opposite end of the political spectrum, and this has little to do with the topic at hand.

This is happening in a Communist nation. If you don't like the discussion, you can stay out of it.

Since Socialism is a stage before Communism, of course there are SOME differences....but at the end they are based on the same goals...

If you don't want to discuss what is the root problem of what is happening to children like this one in China, then stay out.

If your "sensibilities" about the truth of Socialism/Communism are bothered by the truth, then don't be part of any discussion that deals with it.

I know, and have experienced the fundamental similarities between the two.

I also know that true Socialism, even according to Marx, is but a stage to convert a Capitalist, and Republic nation, into the final goal of a Communist Dictatorship.

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What people accept whether indoctrinated or not has nothing to do with the government and more to do with the people that you disagree with.

The alleged activity is taking place in a Communist country, not a socialist. Socialism should not have been brought into this had you not incorrectly grouped them with such ideals.

And "True Socialism" is a sadly mistaken claim as it cannot exist, by very nature of what "Socialism" is classified by.

Also, you can take all the rights away that you want and call it what you want it, but when it comes to something the people as a whole have a real problem with, you have things such as civil wars and uprest. Look at ireland for a difference in ideals, for example. There is none of that here.

And by your own admission, all things are a stage for communism. Everything has actions that could, given the people, lead to communism.

What exactly would you propose here in the United States of America and abroad?

Keep in mind when you choose to make your assumptions that I've said nothing about what I personally believe. Might want to keep that in mind when flinging mud.

Originally posted by Komodo
Personally, I seek a good lawyer and go head their advice, then, go to a better lawyer and heed his advice and then go to a 3rd laywer and compare all 3~! I'd get a video if I could...THEN go see them.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, get a 2nd opinion (or 3rd in this case). As the posters b4 me has pointed out, it will be hard to prove it came out of the box without a vid.

However, heed this warning, if it is proven it is actually from china, (it may have been made there but packaged elsewhere) then I would document EVERYTHING I did to protect me and my family. Sounds paranoid? Perhaps, but what if I'm right? We're talking about one of the biggest world powers on earth, with the manpower to back up their secrets.

Seriously, I'd video my life for the next year, if this ever went public.

Unfortunately what he has here is a cardboard insert with a drawing on it that may or may not have actually originated from where he said it did, that may or may not have came from the country of manufacture. There is nothing here that speaks otherwise.

I knew it wouldn't take long for this thread to be derailed and crashed into a political debate, so why not stick to the facts of the op? and debate them instead...or you could continue to pointlessly debate the differences and likenesses of socialism/communisim which contribute nothing to this particular thread...Jheeeesh you two are like an infomercial

Originally posted by alyosha1981
I knew it wouldn't take long for this thread to be derailed and crashed into a political debate, so why not stick to the facts of the op? and debate them instead...or you could continue to pointlessly debate the differences and likenesses of socialism/communisim which contribute nothing to this particular thread...Jheeeesh you two are like an infomercial

Excuse me but I've been trying to point this out. I'm glad someone agrees with me that these are clearly unrelated, and you've obviously not read my replies where I stated the same. I will not reply to this thread regarding socialism or communism.

Back on topic.

Great so now we can get back on track...right? It has been pointed out that the picture in and of itself is not enough to cause an investigation the likes of which the OP is precluding to. I would like to see a resolve here but I'm afraid it's just not going to happen or at least "happen" the way some posters here would fancy. The media isn't going to "jump all over" this, nobodys going to get their company shut dowm and...wait for it... We're going to keep buying cheap junk that's made overseas!!

Originally posted by alyosha1981
Great so now we can get back on track...right? It has been pointed out that the picture in and of itself is not enough to cause an investigation the likes of which the OP is precluding to. I would like to see a resolve here but I'm afraid it's just not going to happen or at least "happen" the way some posters here would fancy. The media isn't going to "jump all over" this, nobodys going to get their company shut dowm and...wait for it... We're going to keep buying cheap junk that's made overseas!!

That's pretty much the gist of it.

'second line'

Oh, and btw, now-a-days the Socialist elite desguising themselves under "Democracy" call "scientific Socialism" as "Progressive Democracy".

The people who adhere to these ideals call themselves among other things "Progressives."

They have changed the names but the programs being implemented are essentially the same. Just as the Obama administration is doing to the Republic, and many Americans are allowing it to happen believing "this will be for the good of all."

Why does the picture have to be drawn by a little girl??? I draw really lousy and I could have very well drawn this picture.
Also, I dont think the picture represents a puddle of PEE it looks more like a person showing that they gave birth and if you look closely it has a line that is connected from the baby to the girl, maybe meaning it was the girls baby.
How was this insert even in the package ? is it possible that someone could have drawn this and then put the gun and insert back in the package?
I dont think that a person/girl would write the word PEE either. Did she know it would be sent to the USA and how could she have learned this word?
Too many unknowns here.

I would like to see exactly how the gun was wrapped.

Really sad story. If that drawing is really made by a little girl in a foreign country, far far away..

But the fact that it says PEE in English, lets me assume that maybe some local Kid there just put his drawing in there..

My spider sense is tingling. Something about this whole story doesnt quite feel right. its not the part about kids working sweat shops, i have no doubt the scenario depicted in the OP occur in the real world. Its just the way the thread is written and the story and the picture. something not right there. but thats just my opinion.

realistically speaking it would have to be a pretty quiet news week for anybody to run with this story. Im just being realistic, if you really want to make a difference stop buying cheap, mass produced junk. Or go to china and do a documentary about how bad the working conditions are.

A badly drawn picture depicting nothing specific isnt going to do it. Take those commercials with the starving african kids, even with graphic footage like that there are kids still dying of hunger and malnutrition. IF VIDEO footage cant stop kids dying from hunger then a hand drawn pic isnt going to do anything.

to be perfectly honest this all reads like one of those viral emails you get. "copy and paste this and forward it on to all your friends little johnny has incurable illness and microsoft will pay $1 for every email the money will go towards whatever"

sorry im pessimistic but its the world we live in.

I have a friend who works for HARPO Studios. If she wanted this would definatly get noticed. I think this is right up Oprah's alley. If you'd like then I'll send a link to this thread to her inbox. From there you two could converse privately and then? It's Oprah. She's a network unto herself. You are incredibly brave and I for one salute you. I only wish more people would take action to alleviate suffering in this world. This requires a bit more study. The letters we interpert as pee COULD be Chinese charecters. You could write the charecters down on a seperate piece of paper and ask a Chinese speaker and see if they mean anything. Your heart's in the right place.



HUTUAPO


P.S. Keep up the positive energy! Don't let the negative people on here disuade you at all. YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING!

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