Ron Paul:Be Prepared for the Worst

I know that you will ignore me, or the things I tell ,will seem not that important to US. But to my humble opinion and many years of research -this is it.

I really support Ron Paul, the way he speaks , when the first time you hear him, it takes 2 minutes to understand that he stands behind his every statement. He doesn`t drive cheap promises. I wonder how everybody seemingly agrees with him, but probably when he spoke about true problems of economy you were deaf. Did you hear at least one person saying that Ron Paul was lying about numbers or facts during the primaries? Yet you didn`t consider it important enough to vote for him, you rather vote for a vapourware that promises a candy bar. Now don`t pretend that all of you voted for him. You didn`t. You thought that the illusiuon of easy jobs would go forever where chinese in sweatshops would build for you HTC phones and other Gizmos while you will shuffle papers in some consulting-cr*p company. The game is over.

When out of greed the top executives offshored half of US manufacturing facilities, they also offshored well paid and educated people who were driving demand for cars, houses etc. Now all that is left are service jobs for 8 bucks an hour, . So don`t be now surprised that there are no virtually people to buy your Buick Enclaves and overpriced houses. there is also an illusion that those American companies that were closed down are now probably operating abroad. No, most of them are simply bankrupt, because US can not compete in any sector that deals with precision mechanism building today. Whether it is watches, forklifts, consumer electronics or industrial robots. Us has always played out the greed card- they try to invest as little as possible to squeeze out blood of the stone. This is how you get Harley _Davidson type of companies, where legend is supported, not the actual product. When I tried to do a research for a year on U S manufacturing and hi -tech manufacturing, it was a surprise that most of the manufacturing companies left mostly use rebadging strategy, or don`t engineer anything themselves. I could write here forever, how General Electric buys Samsung refrigerators and slaps their logos, how ipods were actually engineered by Asian companies, I could talk for hours what kind of company is Vizio or how many parts detroit three is actually importing and not building themselves. See, when you look at Ford Fusion, it is not only a pretension to be American, while actually using japanese engineered and built platform, engines, gearboxes, while the tin itself is being stamped on german or japanese industrial workbenches., it is also the jobs that are gone. You don`t have an engineer that would be paid 35 bucks, what is left is a salesclerk -mouthpiece for 10 bucks. You don`t have enough skilled workforce that could be able to create added value to the economy to countermeasure imports. That is why you import everything- simply for you can`t build and stamp a single dvd player or hi-fi system that would not have gaps or failures. When you buy that much , you do it on debt. But to service the debt, it must be taken out of taxes. So in the end amount of money to service debt is even bigger than the allotment of the whole department of education. Thus education deteriorates., but debt grows. Stop wasting your lives with computers and games, stop exporting chewing gum and ziplock bags and zippo lighters. Start once and for all building real things that you could sell abroad- electronics, cars, trucks, bikes, heavy machinery, industrial robots, aircraft, .etc. This is the way to build muscles of economy. We don`t need your `post-it` sticky notes. Start educating people, how to engineer and assemble things together, and if they can`t do it, ask yourself, what actually are those people working for you, are they the same ones that once bolted together Euclid tractors, and Cincinnatti -Milacron workbenches. I wil just shut up here, otherwise you will delete

May be too late for Ron Paul 2012. We should have voted him in the first time we had the chance. I voted for him. The Obamatrons did not

reply to post by Advancedboy


to sum it all up.... its the fall of the US...

and the rise of china...

Mr. Tim 1989, Since I am old enough to be your parent I will say this,
You are too young to be this down trodden. Hope is everywhere. Take pleasure in life's simple things: The smell of grass on your dog, growing plants and gardens, the warm sunshine, the taste of fresh fuits and vegtables. You have you whole life ahead of you, join a church , volunteer your time to charity, spend time with family, this too shall eventually pass. There is a time and a season for eveything. My grandmother got out of college during the depression. She couldn't find a job for her degree. She had to move back in with her parents and work as a maid. She did not get married until she was in her thirties for financial reasons. She lived most of her life very simply and was a work-a-holic. In the end she was worth well over a million dollars when she died.
Leaving her children money to invest and fight over. Since I was 14 there
have been several recessions. I remeber in the 1980s my father lost his job for a year, we had two houses. I was gowing out of my clothes in middle school and my mom shopped at value city, and I still had to wear tight clothes. They eventually got the houses sold, found a new job moved to another new city. Then that factory Alice Chalmers closed down and my poor Dad had to find another new job in that city. Eventually things recovered in the mid 1980s. The savings and loan collapsed, but by some miracle we got my college funds back. That bank was not FDIC covered. So you see things happen in cycles. Never invest more in the stock market than you can afford to flush down the toliet. Realestate is better. But always remember Location, Location, Location. Have a great week I hoped this helped some.

Originally posted by reasonable
I wanted to vote Paul for prez

Me, too. But unfortunately, the system will not allow someone who will turn the system upside down. He was ONE of our last hopes if not THE last...

'Be prepared for the worst' is wise counsel.

Originally posted by frugal
Mr. Tim 1989, Since I am old enough to be your parent I will say this,
You are too young to be this down trodden. Hope is everywhere. Take pleasure in life's simple things: The smell of grass on your dog, growing plants and gardens, the warm sunshine, the taste of fresh fuits and vegtables. You have you whole life ahead of you, join a church , volunteer your time to charity, spend time with family, this too shall eventually pass. There is a time and a season for eveything. My grandmother got out of college during the depression. She couldn't find a job for her degree. She had to move back in with her parents and work as a maid. She did not get married until she was in her thirties for financial reasons. She lived most of her life very simply and was a work-a-holic. In the end she was worth well over a million dollars when she died.
Leaving her children money to invest and fight over. Since I was 14 there
have been several recessions. I remeber in the 1980s my father lost his job for a year, we had two houses. I was gowing out of my clothes in middle school and my mom shopped at value city, and I still had to wear tight clothes. They eventually got the houses sold, found a new job moved to another new city. Then that factory Alice Chalmers closed down and my poor Dad had to find another new job in that city. Eventually things recovered in the mid 1980s. The savings and loan collapsed, but by some miracle we got my college funds back. That bank was not FDIC covered. So you see things happen in cycles. Never invest more in the stock market than you can afford to flush down the toliet. Realestate is better. But always remember Location, Location, Location. Have a great week I hoped this helped some.

I'm quite downtrodden just reading this. My grandparents were nowhere near worth a million dollars when they died. My father and his brothers and sisters received not a cent (nor were they looking for this). They did get back most of the gifts they gave them, but that was about it.

Most American's don't have two houses and are doing good to pay for the one they have! This isn't typical. And, on an average, who has enough money in the bank right now to pay for their kids' education.

You're right that there is a time and a season for everything, unfortunately this time we're living under essentially socialistic policies and I don't see this passing unless Americans take real action. Voting the scumbags out is no longer an option as this just perpetuates the cycle.

The government must be reinstituted. And 'We The People' posses such power.

I hope the people advocating government intervention realize this crucial point: Government doesn't create or produce anything, it only confiscates and essentially destroys production.

So when people say that we got out of the Great Depression with the New Deal or with WWII, they really don't see what happened. Here it is:

We didnt get out of the Depression by stealing people's production and distributing it in an inefficient, wasteful, corrupt fashion with the New Deal.

We also didnt get out of the Depression by building things to blow them up overseas.

We got out of the Depression when people resumed producing and government reduced spending on social programs and wars. Suddenly after the war, people had REAL jobs that produced REAL things, instead of jobs based on theft and destruction, with the welfare/warfare state.

Once production was once again legitimate, then we were able to massively pay down the debts accumulated from the warfare/welfare state. THAT was when the Depression really ended, any recovery before that was only an illusion.

Sadly, though, history tends to repeat itself, and these times should surprise no one in the face of all the ignorance and indoctrination around us...

Originally posted by huntergatherer
when you have gone 3 days without food or water, and have no means to obtain either, dont come crawling to the ones who have worked hard and invested to prepare for the inevitable.

Here is the problem with this, if only 3% are prepared, the other 97% that are dying will think I am already dead so I might as well try to take what I can, I am dead either way.

You are going to run out of bullets trying to stop the other 97%.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33

Originally posted by huntergatherer
when you have gone 3 days without food or water, and have no means to obtain either, dont come crawling to the ones who have worked hard and invested to prepare for the inevitable.

You are going to run out of bullets trying to stop the other 97%.

Good point!

reply to post by Jim Scott

The other tool to increase inflation is the printing of more money. When you have a need for printing money, that tells you there is not enough in circulation for the economy to grow. The next phase was the creation of more money. Now, it seems that no matter how much money is put into circulation, inflation is still dead. Hence, we have not created enough money to get the inflation airplane off the ground. Once we get it airborne with enough money, we can raise and lower it with interest rate manipulations. It is a very bad idea to let Congress tell the Federal Reserve how to regulate the economy.

I disagree strongly. The Fed lowered interest rates to ZERO for the big lenders.
What did they do with the money that they were able to get from the Fed virtually interest free?
THEY GAVE IT TO EACH OTHER AS $140 Billion in bonuses.
The FED does nothing more than take care of their FELLOW BANKERS.
Is the solution to PRINT MORE money.
OF course NOT. The solution is to take the money back from the crooks and apply where it will do some good.
Right now, all that is happening is the good old phrase " The Rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
The Fed and the banks CANNOT be trusted to do what is right for the American Economy, only what is right for themselves.

Originally posted by frugal
Mr. Tim 1989, Since I am old enough to be your parent I will say this,
You are too young to be this down trodden. Hope is everywhere. Take pleasure in life's simple things: The smell of grass on your dog, growing plants and gardens, the warm sunshine, the taste of fresh fuits and vegtables. You have you whole life ahead of you, join a church , volunteer your time to charity, spend time with family, this too shall eventually pass. There is a time and a season for eveything. My grandmother got out of college during the depression. She couldn't find a job for her degree. She had to move back in with her parents and work as a maid. She did not get married until she was in her thirties for financial reasons. She lived most of her life very simply and was a work-a-holic. In the end she was worth well over a million dollars when she died.
Leaving her children money to invest and fight over. Since I was 14 there
have been several recessions. I remeber in the 1980s my father lost his job for a year, we had two houses. I was gowing out of my clothes in middle school and my mom shopped at value city, and I still had to wear tight clothes. They eventually got the houses sold, found a new job moved to another new city. Then that factory Alice Chalmers closed down and my poor Dad had to find another new job in that city. Eventually things recovered in the mid 1980s. The savings and loan collapsed, but by some miracle we got my college funds back. That bank was not FDIC covered. So you see things happen in cycles. Never invest more in the stock market than you can afford to flush down the toliet. Realestate is better. But always remember Location, Location, Location. Have a great week I hoped this helped some.

You know, I have to side with freenrgy2 on this. Are you even paying any attention to what's going on? It's like you feel you experienced "hard times" just because your mom shopped at a discount store.

Your family had a million (!) dollars, 2 houses and education. What you experienced was a minor setback, and for you to tell others to take it easy is kinda ignorant.

Many people have to sell their one house at less than half value, JUST to owe the bank another 80k. Less and less people have time to "smell the roses", but if you have that privilege then by all means do it. Just don't expect others to share your happiness.

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This article is very profound and a great find thank you! Im not a financial major as I see one person is here, and even I know when you print too much money, each dollar in circulation looses value. When you couple that with the fact that our money isnt even backed up by gold or silver anymore, and it's value is based soley on the perception of those who use it in their daily lives...then you have a disaster just waiting to happen. Finally when the governments of the world are dropping the dollar as their reserve currency, then what ever value it had is lost. I truly think there will be a day when we all get up in the morning, turn on the news and see that our debit cards are turned off, the atm's are turned off, and our investments are worthless. What will we do then? I know what I'll do, get on my knees and pray to OBAMA for his help! LOL just kidding of course...may God help us all through this difficult time ahead.

Originally posted by peacelove
i truly believe Ron Paul was our last hope, he was one of the few politicians not consumed by greed and power.

Some in Kentucky are clinging to what hope we have left. Rand Paul is running for office.

If he's able to establish himself and gain enough experience, our country still has hope. Though, I doubt he'll gain enough experience by 2012 alone ... who knows where this economy is going to take the average American's opinion?

He may just have a shot if Joe Consumer has enough of these jokes we call the Congress and the Federal Reserve.

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First I just wanted to say I appreciate your concern and your opinions, however they are unrealistic.

I'm 24, I live in an apt in NJ, work full time, and have NO FREE TIME to stop and smell the roses. Those of us around my age who have any concern for their future also have little to no time to do the same. I would love to spend a Saturday afternoon walking a dog or smelling flowers but where is that going to get me? I have rent, bills, student loans and a bunch of other things to buy. I laugh a lot when my friends want to go out on a Tuesday or Wednesday night; where do they get the money and how do they have time to do this, I ask myself.

What am I concentrated on? Making money. There isn't much else that takes precedent over that. If I don't pay rent, I don't have an apt, if I don't have an apt, I'm done, so it all stems back to working your butt off to get where you can.

I understand the economy is going to be gonzo in only a matter of time, but until that point hits, people still have to keep themselves afloat somehow.

Originally posted by nikiano
Thanks for the post, but how is the article dated November 16, 2009, when it is only November 1, 2009 now?

This can be explained by this short video clip...



Dark Helmet: Colonel Sandurz, may I speak with you please? [lifts helmet] How can there be a video cassette of the movie? We're still in the middle of making it!

Colonel Sandurz: Yes, but there's been a new breakthrough in home video marketing.

Dark Helmet: There has?

Colonel Sandurz: Yes! Instant cassettes. They're out in stores before the movie is finished!


*** OP, hope you don't mind the little off-topic bit of humor ***


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hi. very confused now.....so much talk about the collapse and then WW3 ETC and all these dates have passed i.e. first it was 30 Sept, then Oct and now its 3rd week in Nov the big collapse will happen?

the way i see it the world adn the economy is always in soem kind of trouble, its never 100% thats why we have a govt to keep it bearable. what happening now seems to have happened always. has there not always been wars and famine and problems with employment and economy?

Which govt official in thier right mind would want a collapse? surely thier own luxurios lives would also fall apart?

personally i think this tiem next year ATS will be talking abotu same thing with new dates for the collapse

reply to post by Advancedboy


Why should any of us ignore you? I spoke up for Ron Paul at the republican caucuses in my town. Not many people appreciated that and made snyde remarks. Thought I was way off and Ron Paul was a quack.

Wonder what they think now. But.... we will never be able to elect honest officials because;

deadmanmusings.blogspot.com...

We do not control the elections and haven't in a long time. We do need honest politicians and I think there are a few more out there, but are they willing to risk their lives in defense of OUR supposed country.

I am so frustrated with all the crap and cover-up and silence, what did all those people die for in all those faux wars? They thought they were going to war to defend "their" nation, and now we have people who just go along with everything to get along, don't rock the boat someone might fall out and get away!!!

When will we have justice and peace and the posterity that was the intent of the founding of this nation?

One thing I saw that was funny too, at the news stand, NYT article , front page headline, Economy on the Rise, that day the stock market was down like 250 points!!!! Laughable.

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I have liked what Ron Paul has said for quite some time, but I have also wondered what's he working towards. Is it his motive for getting elected in 2012 or what? Riding on the heels of a 'grassroots movement' that has been brewing for a long time now? Is it that he feels he's doing the best he can in his professional capacity to serve humanity and the American people? Is he working to instigate something within the populace that really hasn't been seen since the Civil War? What kind of can of worms have him and others who have been speaking about all of this been trying to open anyway? Those in the limelight who seem to be trying to warn us of what is to come, Paul and another one that comes to mind right now, Dobbs, seem to want us to get ourselves in deeper and deeper into a frenzy of distraught disbelief that what we are hearing is actually an indication of reality in the world and not to be excused as senseless and crazy rantings of a discombobulated populace. They are driving the economy in this direction, and have been for a long time. They have been setting up think tanks for decades now to think through how they can get us to the status of second- or third-rate country and make us pay for it all along the way. How is it that politicians such as Ron Paul are allowed to drone on and on about what's coming and not be tarred and feathered and made out to be a gay guy trying to solicit his wares in an airport bathroom to an unknown undercover cop by now? I always get the feeling that our chains are being yanked every which way we look, and we have yet to see any of it for what it is, which is only pure propaganda, and always has been. They are driving the ship here, we are only the passengers paying them to do it. If we could stop giving them what they want, which is "Oh, ok, well, if you say it will work that way, then I guess it will." And start putting up some fences around this place and some people to stand there and guard them to keep the political looters away, then maybe we might start climbing out of the hole we have put ourselves in. This is no time to be stopping and smelling the roses, lol.

Edit to add S&F for the OP here. Great Find!!

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Originally posted by Davidwolf
hi. very confused now.....so much talk about the collapse and then WW3 ETC and all these dates have passed i.e. first it was 30 Sept, then Oct and now its 3rd week in Nov the big collapse will happen?

the way i see it the world adn the economy is always in soem kind of trouble, its never 100% thats why we have a govt to keep it bearable. what happening now seems to have happened always. has there not always been wars and famine and problems with employment and economy?

Which govt official in thier right mind would want a collapse? surely thier own luxurios lives would also fall apart?

personally i think this tiem next year ATS will be talking abotu same thing with new dates for the collapse

That's exactly what the average american thinks. And that's why nothing changes.

Things have always been bad, but not like this. Hell, even potato chips are crappier (in case you haven't noticed).

Govt. and wall street are two seperate monsters, or were before goldman sachs practically invaded the fed. And the govt. only let that happen because they really had no better paying options. Right now it's just a huge chess game that they're playing, to try and minimize THEIR losses, not yours. Remember you are not in the same playing field as them.

You don't realize how bad things are because all the news networks/internet talk about is jon and kate or the hot new movie.

And idk where you got those arbitrary dates, but the legitimate worry is that stocks always do poorly in oct/nov, because that's the end of the fiscal year. That's a fact.

Now just take a second to think about an over-bought market used to swindle more investors out of their money, that actually broke records to set its high, and the reality of the little value they actually have. People are going to get filthy rich off this year, but even more are going to be hurt.

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reply to post by Rockstrongo37

Finally when the governments of the world are dropping the dollar as their reserve currency, then what ever value it had is lost

You're absolutely correct.
Basically, the VALUE of the dollar in relation to other currencies is based on demand. If the demand for US dollars is low, then the value of the dollar decreases, and visa versa. As more and more countries demand to be paid in currencies other than the dollar, the dollar suffers. Add that to the increased supply of Fed-printed dollars, and you have the perfect storm.