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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 10:39 AM by knightsof0ld
Originally posted by Oldnslo
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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What he always proposes is not realistic and essentially would result in total collapse + opportunity to rebuild from the ashes.

He's been talking the talk, then walking the walk /quote]

and for it one day he will be lying in chalk

[edit on 5-11-2009 by knightsof0ld]


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 12:50 PM by ProfEmeritus
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He's been talking the talk, then walking the walk /quote] and for it one day he will be lying in chalk

Actually, I don't think that will happen, because Ron Paul is so well known now, and people know what he is doing, and if anything suspicious were to happen to him, all hell would break loose.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 10:25 PM by ProfEmeritus
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You're correct. All you need is common sense, and a good deal of honesty and fair play to see what has happened.
This entire mess comes down to a five letter word, GREED.
Corporations have gotten to the point where it is not enough to make a reasonable profit, the corporate executes want as much profit as possible, so that they can reward themselves with huge bonuses. Bonuses come in 2 major forms-cash and stock options. The stock options is where it all comes together.
Here is a simple formula anyone can understand:

PROFIT = SALES - EXPENSES

Now, there are two ways to increase profit:
1.) Raise SALES
2.) Lower EXPENSES

By far, the easier route is to lower expenses. For most corporations, wages are the primary expense, so by reducing wages, profits increase. Of course, we all know what that meant- outsourcing jobs, services and manufacturing, preferably to countries with low wages, low energy costs, and very weak labor laws.
The result is of course, increased profits, which then drives the stock price up, and, of course, these executives then execute the stock options which they had rewarded themselves with.
Within a short time, this becomes a sickness, the overriding desire to continue to increase profits. This then involves bribing government officials, and lobbying Congress to pass laws favorable to their businesses, such as tax breaks, and easing of laws related to the environmental damage done by their manufacturing.
Well, this of course, is a simplified explanation, but none the less, an accurate assessment of the current situation.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 04:29 AM by Graybeard
This has been coming for a long time. Most people think of credit as a way of life, not loans that have to be repaid. It wasn't always that way. I can remember when credit was only issued to people with sound financial standing that demonstrated that they could repay their debt. This changed in the 1980's with credit lines becoming easier to obtain for people of average means. It exploded in the 90's and expanded beyond credit lines to home mortgages.

Now, it's expanded beyond that to the point that no one realizes the games our elected officials are playing with our present and future. No one thinks anything of throwing money at a problem because hey, that's what people have grown accustomed to.

When I was a boy, there was an episode of The Flintstones where Wilma and Betty go off on a shopping spree, yelling, "Chaaaarrrgge it!" Only to be chastised for creating debt for their families.

We've become a country of excess where people use credit to keep up with the Joneses. Where saving towards something has been replaced by instant gratification. Where a modest home that you would probably stay in for most if not all of your life is replaced by people who have to have this or that amenity to even consider buying a home and are willing to stretch themselves to the limit to obtain it, mindless of just how much a commitment it will be.

It saddens me. Unfortunately, people in this country don't become concerned or notice problems with the direction of this country until the s*** hits the fan and by then, it's usually too late. This didn't start last year or the year before. It started decades ago, when the people of this country became overly materialistic and rather than appreciating the fundamentals of existence, strove instead for the excesses.

I could go on but it's late and I'm tired.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 07:46 AM by Angiras
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While I agree that consumers have relied too heavily on credit to meet their needs, I would not place the majority of blame on the US consumer.

The fact is that wages and incomes for the vast majority of the US population have been stagnant or have even declined over the last couple of decades...in actual purchasing power. So, to maintain the same life style people have had to borrow.

The root cause of the problem lies with the big banks and credit institutions like the Fed, along with the Federal Government, which have been sucking value out of the real economy for decades in the form of interest payments and taxes.

The financial collapse of 2008 was not caused by irresponsible consumers. It was caused by irresponsible speculative ventures of the big banks.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 09:14 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Actually, I've posted the details of the Business Plot on my of my threads. I didn't bring it up here, because I believe that most of the members on this thread are familiar with it. Your post though, is a great summary of the lead-up to that point in history, and as I've stated many times before, I believe we could have a coup of some sort, if things continue the way they are....ProfEmeritus

The situation today is VERY similar to that of the 1930's, in fact, eerily so....ProfEmeritus



Obama's Mama worked for the Ford Foundation and the banking/corporate cartels have decided that “socialism” was an excellent vehicle for seducing the “peasants” into cooperating. “What unites the many different forms of Socialism.. is the conception that socialism (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) must be handed down to the grateful masses in one form or another, by a ruling elite which is not subject to their control...” search.marxists.org...

Sp far the cartels have found socialism and environmentalism very useful in manipulating political activists as they set up their economic empire.

Now that the wrecking of the US economy is becoming visible to Joe Sixpack, I keep flipfloping between the USA being setup as a dependent state of the UN/EU through treaties since Bush has already signed on to “harmonize” our laws with the EU and an assassination of Obama touching off the Black Muslims ex-cons who have been trained, armed and now have disappeared.
This of course will lead to martial Law under Bidden

The EU of course get their laws from the World Trade Organization who gets them from IPC and the UN see www.globalresearch.ca...


“In a sweeping move that has garnered surprisingly little attention this week the United States and the European Union have signed up to a new transatlantic economic partnership that will see regulatory standards “harmonized” and will lay the basis for a merging of the US and EU into one single market, a huge step on the path to a new globalized world order.” The BBC reported (news.bbc.co.uk...) from the Summit in Washington on Monday: stopspp.com...


I guess whether we have a peaceful takeover or a hostile takeover depends on how asleep the general population is.






reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 11:33 AM by DisgustedOne
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by ProfEmeritus



I guess whether we have a peaceful takeover or a hostile takeover depends on how asleep the general population is.






ZZZZZZZZZ..... wha..... huh? the country's been hijacked????? Ohhh..... ok, nothing to see here, back to sleep now...... ZZZZZZZZ........



reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 04:49 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by spaceman84




What Im shocked by is that people still think you need yrs of higher education in financial matters to understand what is trully happening to our economy. Now for some of the real technical stuff, yeah maybe. But my education only went as far as High School and I suck at math and I understand this stuff perfectly well.


As I mentioned earlier, the banksters control the college economics departments. This was brought home in spades to my hubby last night. He was at a meeting with a guy who had just graduated with a degree in economics. The guy knew NOTHING about the Federal Reserve!!!! Hubby pointed at The Creature from Jekyl Island - Interview.

I suggest he e-mail him with A PRIMER ON MONEY: Congressional COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY It is over a hundred pages long,but well written, interesting and easy to read and carries a much better academic punch.

The Creature from Jekyl Island - Interview. Is in my opinion the easiest and most interesting read while The Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullin has the most information especially about the happening during the Great Depression.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 05:22 PM by ProfEmeritus
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True enough. The REAL criminals sit in the seats of the Federal Reserve Board, and when they leave that position, on the boards of the Corporations, to which they serve.
Does anyone remember the movie Rollerball? I think we are there.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 05:35 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by Graybeard




We've become a country of excess where people use credit to keep up with the Joneses. Where saving towards something has been replaced by instant gratification.


As G. Edward Griffin explained the bankers do not want ANYONE to save up to make purchases so there has been a campaign to encourage buying on credit since 1913.


Objective number two [of the Federal Reserve] was to reverse the trend of what is called private capital formation. That's banker language for a process in which an individual or a corporation uses their own savings to pay for something instead of going to the bank and borrowing it, if you can imagine that happening. It was happening at the turn of the century. The trend was that businesses in particular were withholding some of their dividends each quarter and putting that money into a sinking fund and then as the money accumulated or as the capital formed, then they finally had enough that they could use their own money to build that new factory or to launch a research & development project or whatever instead of going to the banks and borrowing for it. The banks were very concerned over this trend because this is their life-blood. Loaning money is what they do so how do you loan money when people don't want to borrow it? The answer they knew, and they talked a lot about this, was to lower interest rates, get those rates down so that they were so attractive that people would be crazy not to come to the banks and borrow money at those good interest rates. www.bigeye.com...


This was coupled with the hidden tax called inflation.
In 1976 ".. A typical American CEO earned 36 times as much as the average worker. By 2008 average CEO pay increased to 369 times that of the average worker..." timelines.ws...

Or another way to look at it.

In 1959 the price of gold was $35.25/ oz, minimum wage is.$1.00 or 0.028 oz of gold per hour

In 1976 the price of gold was $124.74/ oz, minimum wage is.$2.30 or.0.0184 oz/hr


In 2008 the price of gold was 880.30/ oz minimum wage is.$5.85 or 0.0067 oz/hr

In other words thanks to the Fed, our pay is between 1/5 and 1/10 of what our parents earned in the fifties before the effects of the Council on Economic development really set in. The CED was formed in 1942 and was composed of the Fed officials and Corporate Head honchos. Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn’t help but congratulate itself

The American citizen has been carefully manipulated by our education system, mass media and since 1972 by United Nations controlled NGO's Those who have figured out what is going on have lost their lives like Congressman Mcfadden, their jobs, been riddiculed and even shut up in institutions for the insane as Ezra Pound was. Pound is not the only one



"I was wrongly diagnosed as delusional by the psychiatric staff of Ward 7 at Northland Base Hospital in Whangarei and held against my will for 11 days in mid-2006, because I maintained the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by criminal elements inside the US Administration"

Georgette Orwell Reply: August 31st, 2009 at 1:31 pm

This happens far more often than most people imagine. I am an outpatient therapist at a community mental health clinic, and believe me, I’ve witnessed more involuntary commitments than I can count simply because a patient verbalized “delusions” such as “9/11 was an inside job,” mentioned FEMA camps, or discussed health concerns related to chemtrails, fluoridated water or genetically modified foods. If my patients mentioned these things, I have to be extremely careful how I document my treatment notes to avoid a trip to the local funny farm. Sadly though, most of my patients also see staff psychiatrists for their meds. Should any of them mention such things, they are immediately tagged with an incorrect and lifelong diagnosis, typically paranoid schizophrenic or delusional disorder NOS, and more often than not, considered actively psychotic and thus hospitalized against their will. Lesson: be careful what you say to your shrink, or even to your family physician.
Source



reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 06:59 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by crimvelvet




Or another way to look at it. In 1959 the price of gold was $35.25/ oz, minimum wage is.$1.00 or 0.028 oz of gold per hour In 1976 the price of gold was $124.74/ oz, minimum wage is.$2.30 or.0.0184 oz/hr In 2008 the price of gold was 880.30/ oz minimum wage is.$5.85 or 0.0067 oz/hr


Here is a much more simplistic way to look at it:

The RICH get richer, and the POOR get poorer.

That age old adage was never truer.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 07:32 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by ProfEmeritus




Here is a much more simplistic way to look at it: The RICH get richer, and the POOR get poorer. That age old adage was never truer.


Very true. But it is kind of nice to actually quantify how much our wages and salaries have gotten less and less as far as purchasing power goes. $5,000 a year in 1972 bought a whole heck of a lot more than $50,000 does now and on top of the inflation problem you get catapulted into a much higher tax bracket.

No wonder people no longer save money and now live on credit!


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 08:35 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Angiras




The dollar has lost 30% of its value since 2000, and its going down fast.

Right. Just wait until OPEC and the Asian group stop pegging on the dollar. We'll be no better than a banana republic, with funny money that is worthless.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 11:15 PM by cpdaman
Carroll Quigley wrote "The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole"

Quigley wrote this back in the 60's and i believe the same "club of influential and intelligent finance minded elite" PLAN AHEAD and are DETERMINED to sustain their power and influence WHEN capitalism eventually collapses from the overhang of debt. It's not that this group wanted a collapse it just socio-economic systems are not historically sustainable for more than a couple century's and debt fueled capitalism was risky enough so that elite's made plans utilizing what works (propoganda i.e Global warming) utilizing media and $...to create political movements that push people's emotional buttons and thus are useful to get people to rationalize (during economically tuff times) that hey ......we are helping the enviornment ....and see their suffering as a sacrifice....hopeless people try to hang on to believing and finding a 'positive in things'.....which will be highlighted in media.....especially when they are docile and pretty helpless to effect positive change in the political system. They choose GW because this would allow them the best manipulation over the transition to sustain their power and influence/wealth without revolt docile...having the media under your thumb is a major help..YOU see how this game is being played yet? H1N1 may also be INVALUABLE to this "club" as a cover for the failed economic policy's and conflicts of intrest... the public servants have with big industry lobbyists/lawyers who helped hollow out the economy and write laws to grow the "clubs" influence and power. "oh the economy was recovering until the H1N1 epidemic hit" divert the public's anger from failed policy's toward a freakn FLU....then get them to feel SOME good that this lower standard of living can be seen as a sacrifice that also helps Heal the earth's awful global warming and the "club" laughs all the way to the bank...GENIUS


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 07:25 AM by crimvelvet
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....then get them to feel SOME good that this lower standard of living can be seen as a sacrifice that also helps Heal the earth's awful global warming and the "club" laughs all the way to the bank...GENIUS


Boy isn't that the truth. I have been trying to get what is happenning through the thick head of a PhD college professor. He actually told me he has discussed the situation with his twelve year old and she agrees the lower standard of living is wonderful.... She also wants Daddy to buy her a horse. GO Figure!


reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 08:20 AM by Angiras
It is interesting to note that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, published in 1895, have several lengthy sections on world economics and central banking. Although the document has been dis-credited as an anti-Semetic forgery, produced by the Russian Secret Police under the Czar, it has roots that go back to similar documents published in France under Napoleon, where the Jesuits played the role of the Jews as the hidden cabal. In any event, who ever wrote the original material had very sophisticated knowledge of international banking and human motivations. Some have speculated that these sections were secretly written by the Rothschilds themselves.

The economic sections state that central banks will be used to float fiat currency, backed by nothing but credit, which will be used to first control and then ultimately destroy all national governments, as well as the entire capitalist system of the world, to pave the way for a world government, ruled by a single supreme individual, a king, ordained by God, who will hold the reigns of all wealth and power in his hands. At the time of this takeover, the document tells us that all fiat currencies will be banned, and there will be a return to the gold standard, because that is the only solid basis for a sound currency system--but that all of the gold will be in the hands of the ruling elite.

Whether real or fictional, one has to marvel at how closely world events have tracked the plan outlined in this century old document. For example, the document tells us that the common masses must be corruppted by the media, filled with sexual liberty, and distracted by sports, games, and frivilous entertainment--so that the masses will lose the capacity to think critically and rationally, and be largely unaware of their nefarious plans. To accomplish this, the document calls for the "elders" to take control of the media in every part of the world.

As an anecdote, Henry Ford used to distribute this document with the sale of every Ford Model-T, because he felt that it accurately reflected a hidden agenda that was being implemented in the world at the time (the early part of the 20th century).

[edit on 7-11-2009 by Angiras]


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 03:35 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by crimvelvet




Boy isn't that the truth. I have been trying to get what is happenning through the thick head of a PhD college professor. He actually told me he has discussed the situation with his twelve year old and she agrees the lower standard of living is wonderful.... She also wants Daddy to buy her a horse. GO Figure!


There is no need to "go figure". I can tell you that the attitude of that professor is not in the minority. Being a conservative professor at a college packed with liberals was not exactly fun. I call those clowns "educated idiots", not only because they have no idea of what goes on in the non-academic world, but because rather than using the so-called intelligence given to them, they merely repeat what other idiot idealists say, without ever applying logic to expose the stupidity of their rants.

What is even worse, is that those idiots are "educating" our college students, and it takes a strong student to see through the lies that they pass off as "education".

For parents, check your colleges out carefully. Don't be impressed by nice clean, new buildings and sports facilities. Instead, talk to the professors, and try to ascertain what their views are, in their field. It will tell you a great deal about what your sons and daughters will be exposed to.
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