I've found that Ron Paul is a trustworthy person. Given some people's suspicions that I've noticed over time spent here and other "alternative" places, that may be the desired effect. Still... I find his sincerity kind of impenetrable. He's been right so much and from such a well-meaning place that I think it would be at our own risk to ignore the man.

Having said that, if we weren't so dependent on the city structure a collapse of it would be a very small deal. Many times, what we find antiquated is situational and our survival and understanding of nature is so foundational that we should have never removed it from our learning. As a Native American, I even more deeply regret the fact that if taken away, my dependance on such a structure would ensure my fate quickly.

There are so many ways in which we have lost our way that keeping count is exhausting and does so little good, its a wonder Ron Paul can maintain his enthusiasm about what he confronts. Though I believe the concept of the Superhero is detrimental to our psyche and expectations for change, if someone fits the bill today its this frail old man fighting harder than Bodacious. Not a rider that can handle him it seems.

Gerald celente predicts 3rd week in november, this year, it all comes down. Did ron paul predicts the same> IF so, how did they both anticipate this exact date?

Ron Paul is the new Lyndon LaRouche. Gold standard, etc. LaRouche didn't get anywhere with it except in prison.

The economy needed a cash infusion. That was apparent when the following events occurred:

Interest rates were low and inflation was not increasing.

Lowering the rates did not increase inflation, therefore the Fed Res did not cause the problem. Actually, they didn't know what to do. Their usual major tool to influence inflation was dead. This presented a serious problem. The other tool to increase inflation is the printing of more money.
When you have a need for printing money, that tells you there is not enough in circulation for the economy to grow.

The next phase was the creation of more money. Now, it seems that no matter how much money is put into circulation, inflation is still dead. Hence, we have not created enough money to get the inflation airplane off the ground. Once we get it airborne with enough money, we can raise and lower it with interest rate manipulations.

It is a very bad idea to let Congress tell the Federal Reserve how to regulate the economy. The Congress has its hands full with trying to regulate a lot of other government programs, and they aren't doing so good.

Logically, we need to keep producing money until inflation begins to move. That means there is enough money going around for everyone to conduct business.



[edit on 2-11-2009 by Jim Scott]

Batten down the hatches, folks, and get what ever materials you need, because it going to be one hell of a cold dark winter. Why am not surprised by the doomsayer, Ron Paul, and his assertions of complete and utter collapse of the US economy? This has been clear and evident since he has been in Washington, however, I think the mainstream media treats him like a carnival act and a novelty. They don't give him his just respect. This man has been warning the American people about the debaucheries of the Fed and Treasury, the house of cards, that is our fiat currency, government waste, and the additions to the astronomical debt with deficit spending. The collapse is inevitable and will be much worse than what it would have been if it was allowed to run its course in 2008.

This man's story has remained steady as long as he has been a member of the House, and, yet, his colleagues shrugged him off and carried on as usual. They continued to borrow and spend like drunken sailors. Right now, the politicians, master's of industry, financial tycoons, and elites are feathering their pillows and readying the lifeboats, as we go down with the Titanic as our grandparents did in the 30's. Now, it comes down to survival, because the government had a chance to mend things with the economy 30 years ago with the blistering recession which began during the Carter Administration. That particular calamity was not dealt with as it should of been or analyzed in great depth, and another bubble was created during the Reagan years with his baby Reaganomics, and with non-other-than "Bankenstein," Allen Greenspan, steering the ship into the iceberg which followed. Does anyone find it kind of odd that former Fed Chairman Greenspan bowed out before the wheels fell off? Did he know about this all along? If he did we will never know, because his lips are sealed.

Very scary time, indeed, and I hope the people can work together as they did in the last Depression. However, I think the values have changed since then in most circles, although, there are some that have remained financially prudent, but they will feel the sting to their quality of life as well. There is a saying, "All it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bunch." I fear civil unrest when everything shuts down and the gravy train stops flowing. There will be panic and violence in the streets. I wish people would have took Dr. Paul much more seriously than they have, and we will reap what we sow.





[edit on 2-11-2009 by Jakes51]

The assumption is that the government is making efforts for the good of the country and that assumption has to be false. The government wants the destruction of our country because the government is working for somebody else. The government doesn't seem to think human suffering should be avoided, in fact goes way out of its way to cause more suffering on purpose. This government is not going to last. The people will eventually wake up and want their country back, unless the government kills everybody first.

May I suggest the survival forum??

Cauuuse im pretty sure most of you don't know how to grow plants of trap animals let alone barter and trade.

This world is screwed.

When I imagine the future, all I see is chaos.

Why did I have to be born in this era?

I'm only 20 years old and I fear I won't make it past 30 the way the world is going.

I just read that Ford, the only big one of the big 3 to not get government assistance (besides cash for clunkers which at the very less was open to everyone in the market to profit from, not just the chosen few) was able to post a $997 million profit for the third quarter. This goes to show it's a good idea to have faith in the free market. I'm glad the other two were not given as much government assistance as the banks otherwise Ford might be out of business right now rather than benefiting from their competitors weakness and expanding market their share, as should happen in the free market.

By giving the big banks more government support than some of them even needed a situation was created where 100+ small banks have failed. If it was a true free market these small banks would have had the chance to expand their market share as the big banks were weakened by their bad business practises catching up with them. In short, the big banks consolidated their power while the small banks were robbed of an opportunity to expand and doomed to failure because the US government made it impossible for them to compete with mega banks wielding billions of dollars of low interest government loans and hand outs.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by Jacob08]

Seeing this news is just... well, I honestly have no words left. Add to this the Napoleonic tactics of Codex Alimentarius (eating healthy is going to become illegal? Are they insane?), and I honestly just don't know what to do anymore. We've screamed at our politicians until our throats were hoarse and blue in the face. Yet they continue.

I see all this evil in the world (and yes, it IS evil) at all the sickness it has caused. How many lives it has claimed and how many it will continue to claim with its roman circus (a.k.a. distract the people from the REAL problems with reality TV or stupid "news" segments about Obama's night out with Michelle) and I'm honestly just perplexed, dumbfounded. I'm honestly just wondering what will it take now for people to stand up to these crooks and say "NO MORE" I am honestly astonished at the beating that people are getting, and yet they say nothing.

What will happen when the really big problems hit? When Codex starts, and we're still in an economic slump? Will we let these a-holes continue their little power trip? Or will we start pointing guns at them when they start trying to confiscate what little healthy food we'll be allowed?

At some point, "something's gotta give" at some point, there will be no more, and we'll have to recognize the politicians for what they really are... glorified, "legalized" crooks. I hesitate to use the words Dictators, but to be honest, even that term is starting to seem more fitting. To those that disagree I can only say this "None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those that think they are free" I don't remember the author, but it certainly rings very true. We've been robbed of our freedoms and I don't think we're going to get them back unless something drastic is done.

Thank you for the RP update my friend. S & F.

Here is my question.

With the year that I have had. (Not Good)
Food, stocked up.
Ammo, stocked up.

Other than gold, silver, etc. Is one better off owning "stuff", than having cash as we move forward?

The dollar has already lost over 15% this year. If we go down hard, and a loaf of bread costs 10 or 15 dollars. Would not things like boats, cars, equipment somewhat retain their value in relation with other things?

I could dump what I have now, two boats and four snowmobiles plus other items, for cash, or do I hang on to them? I don't want to sell them, but if things get really bad, I won't be able to use them anyways.

I never borrowed anything (credit-wise) or lived beyond my means, yet i still have to endure the same # like people who caused this.


Unfair.

One thing is for certain here in America, we love our illusions. Is it just coincidence there is an all consuming time honored phrase “The American Dream”? What is a dream? An illusion, in our case it’s the illusion of a big fancy car, a big fancy home each filled to the brim with gleaming electronics that at a push of a button provide us everything we need. It’s an illusion so powerful that once living those dream we imagine anyone and everyone who sees fault in our lifestyle and methods to be an “extremist” and or “terrorist”.

America in many ways fed and nurtured by Hollywood’s version of life, and Madison Avenue’s version of what one needs to get through that life, and Wall Street’s insistence that life is possible by demonstrating it to the extreme is all about illusion.

It’s a hollow empty dream, perhaps the greatest bubble of all as we rape and pillage foreign lands, turn our own backs on our poor and destitute and puff up our chests and inflate our egos off of shallow and superficial standards that have led to not only a wide spread moral bankruptcy but defeated things like true wisdom with “conventional wisdom” and common sense with “political correctness”.

With the exception of Ron Paul our politicians aren’t stewards of financial prudence and integrity concerned about the genuine plight of the citizens they are all instead P.T. Barnum in the flesh, as they sell hype and cleverly coined phrases to entice us into abandoning wisdom and common sense for the carefully crafted illusions full of ‘conventional wisdom & political correctness’ so we can immerse ourselves into one self destructive and self defeating fantasy after another.

The American Dream! Currently the American Dream is based off of taking trillions of dollars in additional debt and handing it to the people who committed trillions of dollars of fraud, theft and mismanagement!

The .02 percent growth in the economy is the trickle down effect of the most massive spending effort ever under taken in Washington D.C. and it literally is the equivalent of you coming to my house, sitting in one of my chairs
and accidently dropping 2 pennies out of your pockets as you sit slumped carelessly in it for me to scavenge later.

Only in America could this become a dream of better times!