Vatican condemns Hallowe'en as anti-Christian, page 7
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reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 09:39 PM by budski
reply to post by ProfEmeritus



I would do what I always do and say F*** the vatican, and then do whatever I wanted.

I got in trouble as a child with that "attitude"

And I'm allegedly Catholic.




[edit on 31/10/2009 by budski]


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 09:42 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by budski





I would do what I always do and say F*** the vatican, and then do whatever I wanted.

How does that response address the post I just put up before your "response"?
BTW, this thread is supposed to be about Halloween, and the church, NOT your hangups with your childhood.


[edit on 31-10-2009 by ProfEmeritus]


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 10:06 PM by budski
reply to post by ProfEmeritus



true, but my childhood as a catholic with resrictions, enables, nay justify's my experience - and I didn't even bring it up.

In other words, as a catholic, I have the right, or the duty, to take the piss out of my own religion.

I wanted to leave the RCC - but according to them I can never leave once I was baptised or something

So, I reserve the right to take the piss a little.

It's amazing how I haven't been struck down by now.

Really.

Oh, don't tell me, it's a metaphor, right?

blah


reply posted on 31-10-2009 @ 10:21 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by budski


I don't know who told you that you cannot leave the Catholic Church. If you really wish to, here is how you do it"


To officially leave the roman catholic church you must complete a form referred to as a "Defection by Formal Act". You can write to the archbishop requesting this and tell him under Vatican II, you wish to exercise your right to defect.... or you can print off the one I've linked.

You’ll need to provide some additional information like where you were baptised, your parents names, godparents names, and of course the date you were baptised (and if you don't have this, your date of birth will do)

So to summerise you should be able to print out, sign and send that defection form letter straight to the bishop of the diocese you were baptised in with at least
your name,
date of baptism,
parish church of baptism,
your date of birth,
your parents names,
and the local baptism records will be changed and you will be officially not catholic anymore (if you ever really were).

Reverend Dr Diarmuid Martin
Archbishop of Dublin and Primate of Ireland,
Archbishop's House,
Drumcondra,
Dublin 9.

Within a resonable amount of time you should receive a copy of your amended baptism certificate with defection written all over it.




www.stonerforums.com...
I'm certainly not telling you to leave, but if you want to, I just told you how you can do it.


reply posted on 4-11-2009 @ 09:19 PM by Nosred
reply to post by x2Strongx



The sad thing is this is one of the holidays with the least pagan roots. It was origanally Hallows eve or holy evening. It was the night before All Saints Day. Back then people believed evil spirits rose up on that night so people wore costumes so the spirits couldn't see them.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 02:00 PM by IsleptIdreamt
I think that there is a movement in our culture to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to our churches. The more we get into Rock and Roll screaming "hail Satan!" and dressing kids up in demonic (or worse revealing) costumes the more it leads to personal spiritual complacency.

How is it shock value if nothing is really that shocking anymore? Intsead, the culture glorifies mocking traditional values just for the sake of doing it. Parody can become reality to people, without them even realizing that they took that leap.
The same ethic of "follow the leader" that has hurt the church is now happening in secular culture.
Deep down, most people don't want their kids getting the idea that all religion is evil and deserves to be mocked, any more than they don't want a religion to impose on their lives. This type of counter-culture influences the morals of young minds the same way churches do. I want my children to make up their own minds about those things without overwhelming influences either way.

Family Guy's crude humor, and binge drinking Halloween parties can be a lot of fun; but biblical lessons like honoring your parents and being faithful to your spose are more rewarding than anything that mainstream cultural state of mind can teach.

So many people scoff at the whole system of organized religion, the younger the generation the more criticism, and yet religious war is still at the heart of our problems worldwide - we just no longer call it what it is because in the west we are Quasi-Christian ala carte secularists. "The other side is religous, and that is evil!" This pseudo religion, or self-empowered "too enlightened for religion" state of mind has the same problems as religion itself. An anti-religion seeks to impose that value on others, and believes itself more right than other systems of ethics and beliefs.

The Vatican is bad at explaining itself to the younger generations, so they act like the parents of a rebellious teenager and end up discrediting themselves while trying to teach a valuable lesson. "I forbid you to dress up because I said so!" gets a negative response. Instead, the message should be "use this holiday as a vessel to love thy neighbor, and promote your Christian values above all else you do on this day. Keep very aware that this holiday parodies very harmful things sometimes - so keep it clean!" I get what they are trying to say, but it's pointless to forbid something if they won't explain why.
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