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Topic started on 30-10-2009 @ 09:33 AM by x2Strongx
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Vatican condemns Hallowe'en as anti-Christian
www.telegraph.co.uk
 The Holy See has warned that parents should not allow their children to dress up as ghosts and ghouls on Saturday, calling Hallowe'en a pagan
celebration of "terror, fear and death".
The Roman Catholic Church has become alarmed in recent years by the spread of Hallowe'en traditions from the US to other countries around the
world. (visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:33 AM by x2Strongx
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Oh come on now... they were recently alarmed about this? The Vatican is going to eventually destroy themselves, if they continue putting out
statements such as this. Isn't this a holiday for having fun dressing up in a "Masquerade" or sort? Yeah, some kids dress up like ghosts,etc... but I
think there is more that dress up like their favorite Hollywood movie character, super hero, etc...
www.telegraph.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:49 AM by DrumsRfun
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I can't really take this very seriously at all...I mean what don't they condemn?
Its kinda odd how they condemn the crap out of everything but think its ok to believe in aliens.
Maybe they should condemn all those preists caught molesting children.
I can't take them seriously anymore.
Sorry for the mini rant.
Talk about a witch hunt.
[edit on 30-10-2009 by DrumsRfun]
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:51 AM by x2Strongx
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Now... Doesn't Christmas and Easter have Pagan connections as well... Maybe the Vatican should condemn them as well...
It is beyond doubt that Christmas was originally a pagan festival. The time of the year and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove
its origin.
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Easter is not a Christian name. It is Chaldean (Babylonian) in origin - the name Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven. The name
Astarte, as found on the Assyrian monuments by the noted archeologist Layard, was the name Ishtar. The worship of Bel and Astarte was introduced very
early into Britain, along with the Druids, "the priests of the groves," the high places where the pagans worshipped the idols of Baal. In the
Almanac of the 1800's, May 1st is called Beltane, from the pagan god, Bel. The titles Bel and Molech both belong to the same god.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:56 AM by SaturnFX
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Its always a kicker to ask why such things are considered antichristian...I mean, lots of stuff comes from various ancient religions.
Halloween is sneered at because...well, same reason they didnt like dungeons and dragons and harry potter...they truely believe the stuff is real.
Like there are witches on brooms flying around, wizards, zombies, demons, etc etc.
Why is religion still around anyhow? We have cable now...we dont need it anymore.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:57 AM by x2Strongx
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Oh my... not Valentines Day too!!!! My wife is going to be upset about this one...
Valentine's day also has occultic origins. Cupid (Tammuz/Osiris/Nimrod) is the son of the Greek goddess, Venus (Semiramis). Venus, is the daughter of
the Greek god Jupiter, the head god (Nimrod, the sun god of Babylon, and Ra, the sun god of Egypt). Cupid is depicted with a bow and arrow, a reminder
of Nimrod being a "mighty hunter" (Genesis 10:9). Valentine's day began as a pagan fertility rite celebrated with drunkenness and sexual license
during which time SWEETS and SPRING FLOWERS were given as sacrifices to the gods in the temple.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:58 AM by Signals
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Is it okay to dress up as a Nun or Priest? Or Jesus?
<--------gotta have more candy corn
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:58 AM by tothetenthpower
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As usual the Catholic church will pick and choose those things that have pagan roots as "evil" and anti-christian, so they can ruin an entire
holiday for children around the globe.
Bunch of talking heads I say.
I mean come on, how long has it been since Halloween was ANYTHING but a good time for parents and their children to run around the neighboorhood
collecting candy and good memories?
Just another day at the clergy I guess...
~Keeper
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:58 AM by greeneyedleo
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Its not just the Catholic religion who does this. I grew up as the daughter of a non-deonominational pastor - and we were never allowed to celebrate
Halloween. Most Christian churches preach against it, at least when I was growing up. Now as an adult with a 5 yr old, I go all out for it!
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:59 AM by DataWraith
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Yet another " DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO" quote from the Vatican. Yes Christmas was a Pagan festival, Christianity is not the end all and be all of
religeon, They should shut up and let the world live instead of besmirching anyone who doesn't believe as they do.
Hallow'een is an old tradition, been going on hundreds of years, American adults grew up with looking forwad to Hallow'een, why are htey arguing the
case now?
Oh thats right, they're losing followers hand over fist and are getting worried about loss of earnings from donations. soon they'll be saying that
wearing ghost and goblin outfits means your in league with the devil.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:00 AM by SaturnFX
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Originally posted by x2Strongx
Oh my... not Valentines Day too!!!! My wife is going to be upset about this one...
heh...well, a literal study of the bible will show you just about every holiday is forbidden, and your birthday.
the whole concept of celebrating days is pagan (those crazy pagans being happy about life..bah).
Talk to a Jehovah's Witness...they have a pretty good grip on the bible, alternatively, the westboro baptist church has a firm understanding on what
is written in the old book.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:00 AM by tothetenthpower
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reply to post by greeneyedleo
The joy on a your child's face during those few hours is very much worth a little flack from the religious community.
It's amazing what a bit of candy and a hand made costume will do for the self esteem and enjoyment of a child.
~Keeper
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:00 AM by getreadyalready
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Christmas is entirely a Pagan holiday!! Easter is appropriate, but not Christmas!
And.....is the Vatican a victim of pop culture? There is actually no such thing as "Halloween," there is "All Saints Day" and it is preceded by
"All Hallows Eve."
So, is the church condemning All Saints Day????
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:02 AM by AshleyD
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I don't have a problem with their stance on such a thing. It's not like they're demanding all Halloween displays be removed from public view like
several groups try to do to Christian holiday displays. They're not trying to pass any laws or issuing any threats of excommunication. They're not
filing suits around the globe to halt Halloween.
They're simply issuing a release to their fellow Catholics concerning the holiday. It's 'in-house' advice so to speak. Nothing untoward about
that.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:02 AM by ModernAcademia
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I'm not surprised
obviously they don't want to get in any more trouble of luring little boys in with promises of free candy 
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:04 AM by Laurauk
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Kinda ironic that the Pope himself last yea celebrated Christimas, by having a nativety set play near the Vatican. He even put on an Christmas Santa
hat, oh the blasphemy of it all!
I would take what they say with a pinch of salt.
Anything nowadays which comes out of the Vatican is ridiculous, after all they have more skeletons in thier closets than the whole population of the
world put together.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:04 AM by SaturnFX
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oh...and I love this kicker.
They complain...Halloween is a celebration of terror, fear, and death.
This is the *company* whom has a logo of a crusified man and their corporate message...pray to his carcass or be tortured eternally!!!
Guess they dont like competition, damn hypocrites.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:04 AM by Lemon.Fresh
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its always a kicker to ask why such things are considered antichristian...I mean, lots of stuff comes from various ancient religions.
Because we should celebrate life. All Christian's will live forever in Heaven.
We do not celebrate the start of the American Revolution, but the end. Same thing. We do not celebrate death, but life
Halloween is sneered at because...well, same reason they didnt like dungeons and dragons and harry potter...they truely believe the stuff is
real.
Like there are witches on brooms flying around, wizards, zombies, demons, etc etc.
Proof?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Why is religion still around anyhow? We have cable now...we dont need it anymore.
I agree. We need less religion and more spirituality.
[edit on 10/30/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:12 AM by HunkaHunka
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Originally posted by AshleyD
I don't have a problem with their stance on such a thing. It's not like they're demanding all Halloween displays be removed from public view like
several groups try to do to Christian holiday displays. They're not trying to pass any laws or issuing any threats of excommunication. They're not
filing suits around the globe to halt Halloween.
They're simply issuing a release to their fellow Catholics concerning the holiday. It's 'in-house' advice so to speak. Nothing untoward about
that.
I have a HUGE problem with this because they are being intellectually dishonest.
First they say that parents should not allow their children to dress up as ghosts and ghouls on Saturday, calling Hallowe'en a pagan celebration
of "terror, fear and death".
Yet they allow and even encourage Day of the Dead rituals.
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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:13 AM by HunkaHunka
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its always a kicker to ask why such things are considered antichristian...I mean, lots of stuff comes from various ancient religions.
Because we should celebrate life. All Christian's will ive forever in Heaven.
We do not celebrate the start of the American Revolution, but the end. Same thing. We do not celebrate death, but life
You may not... but those in Latin America celebrate Death every year during the Day of the
Dead
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