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Topic started on 30-10-2009 @ 09:33 AM by x2Strongx

Vatican condemns Hallowe'en as anti-Christian

www.telegraph.co.uk

The Holy See has warned that parents should not allow their children to dress up as ghosts and ghouls on Saturday, calling Hallowe'en a pagan celebration of "terror, fear and death".
The Roman Catholic Church has become alarmed in recent years by the spread of Hallowe'en traditions from the US to other countries around the world.

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:33 AM by x2Strongx

Oh come on now... they were recently alarmed about this? The Vatican is going to eventually destroy themselves, if they continue putting out statements such as this. Isn't this a holiday for having fun dressing up in a "Masquerade" or sort? Yeah, some kids dress up like ghosts,etc... but I think there is more that dress up like their favorite Hollywood movie character, super hero, etc...

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:49 AM by DrumsRfun

I can't really take this very seriously at all...I mean what don't they condemn?
Its kinda odd how they condemn the crap out of everything but think its ok to believe in aliens.
Maybe they should condemn all those preists caught molesting children.
I can't take them seriously anymore.
Sorry for the mini rant.

Talk about a witch hunt.

[edit on 30-10-2009 by DrumsRfun]

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:51 AM by x2Strongx

Now... Doesn't Christmas and Easter have Pagan connections as well... Maybe the Vatican should condemn them as well...

It is beyond doubt that Christmas was originally a pagan festival. The time of the year and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin.

Source:

Easter is not a Christian name. It is Chaldean (Babylonian) in origin - the name Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven. The name Astarte, as found on the Assyrian monuments by the noted archeologist Layard, was the name Ishtar. The worship of Bel and Astarte was introduced very early into Britain, along with the Druids, "the priests of the groves," the high places where the pagans worshipped the idols of Baal. In the Almanac of the 1800's, May 1st is called Beltane, from the pagan god, Bel. The titles Bel and Molech both belong to the same god.

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:56 AM by SaturnFX

Its always a kicker to ask why such things are considered antichristian...I mean, lots of stuff comes from various ancient religions.

Halloween is sneered at because...well, same reason they didnt like dungeons and dragons and harry potter...they truely believe the stuff is real.

Like there are witches on brooms flying around, wizards, zombies, demons, etc etc.

Why is religion still around anyhow? We have cable now...we dont need it anymore.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:57 AM by x2Strongx

Oh my... not Valentines Day too!!!! My wife is going to be upset about this one...

Valentine's day also has occultic origins. Cupid (Tammuz/Osiris/Nimrod) is the son of the Greek goddess, Venus (Semiramis). Venus, is the daughter of the Greek god Jupiter, the head god (Nimrod, the sun god of Babylon, and Ra, the sun god of Egypt). Cupid is depicted with a bow and arrow, a reminder of Nimrod being a "mighty hunter" (Genesis 10:9). Valentine's day began as a pagan fertility rite celebrated with drunkenness and sexual license during which time SWEETS and SPRING FLOWERS were given as sacrifices to the gods in the temple.

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reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:58 AM by Signals

Is it okay to dress up as a Nun or Priest? Or Jesus?

<--------gotta have more candy corn

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:58 AM by tothetenthpower

As usual the Catholic church will pick and choose those things that have pagan roots as "evil" and anti-christian, so they can ruin an entire holiday for children around the globe.

Bunch of talking heads I say.

I mean come on, how long has it been since Halloween was ANYTHING but a good time for parents and their children to run around the neighboorhood collecting candy and good memories?

Just another day at the clergy I guess...

~Keeper

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:58 AM by greeneyedleo

Its not just the Catholic religion who does this. I grew up as the daughter of a non-deonominational pastor - and we were never allowed to celebrate Halloween. Most Christian churches preach against it, at least when I was growing up. Now as an adult with a 5 yr old, I go all out for it!

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 09:59 AM by DataWraith

Yet another " DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO" quote from the Vatican. Yes Christmas was a Pagan festival, Christianity is not the end all and be all of religeon, They should shut up and let the world live instead of besmirching anyone who doesn't believe as they do.
Hallow'een is an old tradition, been going on hundreds of years, American adults grew up with looking forwad to Hallow'een, why are htey arguing the case now?

Oh thats right, they're losing followers hand over fist and are getting worried about loss of earnings from donations. soon they'll be saying that wearing ghost and goblin outfits means your in league with the devil.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:00 AM by SaturnFX

Originally posted by x2Strongx
Oh my... not Valentines Day too!!!! My wife is going to be upset about this one...

heh...well, a literal study of the bible will show you just about every holiday is forbidden, and your birthday.

the whole concept of celebrating days is pagan (those crazy pagans being happy about life..bah).

Talk to a Jehovah's Witness...they have a pretty good grip on the bible, alternatively, the westboro baptist church has a firm understanding on what is written in the old book.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:00 AM by tothetenthpower

reply to post by greeneyedleo

The joy on a your child's face during those few hours is very much worth a little flack from the religious community.

It's amazing what a bit of candy and a hand made costume will do for the self esteem and enjoyment of a child.

~Keeper

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:00 AM by getreadyalready

Christmas is entirely a Pagan holiday!! Easter is appropriate, but not Christmas!

And.....is the Vatican a victim of pop culture? There is actually no such thing as "Halloween," there is "All Saints Day" and it is preceded by "All Hallows Eve."

So, is the church condemning All Saints Day????

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:02 AM by AshleyD

I don't have a problem with their stance on such a thing. It's not like they're demanding all Halloween displays be removed from public view like several groups try to do to Christian holiday displays. They're not trying to pass any laws or issuing any threats of excommunication. They're not filing suits around the globe to halt Halloween.

They're simply issuing a release to their fellow Catholics concerning the holiday. It's 'in-house' advice so to speak. Nothing untoward about that.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:02 AM by ModernAcademia

I'm not surprised

obviously they don't want to get in any more trouble of luring little boys in with promises of free candy

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:04 AM by Laurauk

Kinda ironic that the Pope himself last yea celebrated Christimas, by having a nativety set play near the Vatican. He even put on an Christmas Santa hat, oh the blasphemy of it all!

I would take what they say with a pinch of salt.

Anything nowadays which comes out of the Vatican is ridiculous, after all they have more skeletons in thier closets than the whole population of the world put together.

[edit on 30-10-2009 by Laurauk]

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:04 AM by SaturnFX

oh...and I love this kicker.

They complain...Halloween is a celebration of terror, fear, and death.

This is the *company* whom has a logo of a crusified man and their corporate message...pray to his carcass or be tortured eternally!!!

Guess they dont like competition, damn hypocrites.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:04 AM by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its always a kicker to ask why such things are considered antichristian...I mean, lots of stuff comes from various ancient religions.

Because we should celebrate life. All Christian's will live forever in Heaven.

We do not celebrate the start of the American Revolution, but the end. Same thing. We do not celebrate death, but life

Halloween is sneered at because...well, same reason they didnt like dungeons and dragons and harry potter...they truely believe the stuff is real.

Like there are witches on brooms flying around, wizards, zombies, demons, etc etc.

Proof?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Why is religion still around anyhow? We have cable now...we dont need it anymore.

I agree. We need less religion and more spirituality.

[edit on 10/30/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:12 AM by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by AshleyD
I don't have a problem with their stance on such a thing. It's not like they're demanding all Halloween displays be removed from public view like several groups try to do to Christian holiday displays. They're not trying to pass any laws or issuing any threats of excommunication. They're not filing suits around the globe to halt Halloween.

They're simply issuing a release to their fellow Catholics concerning the holiday. It's 'in-house' advice so to speak. Nothing untoward about that.

I have a HUGE problem with this because they are being intellectually dishonest.

First they say that

parents should not allow their children to dress up as ghosts and ghouls on Saturday, calling Hallowe'en a pagan celebration of "terror, fear and death".

Yet they allow and even encourage Day of the Dead rituals.

reply posted on 30-10-2009 @ 10:13 AM by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its always a kicker to ask why such things are considered antichristian...I mean, lots of stuff comes from various ancient religions.

Because we should celebrate life. All Christian's will ive forever in Heaven.

We do not celebrate the start of the American Revolution, but the end. Same thing. We do not celebrate death, but life

You may not... but those in Latin America celebrate Death every year during the Day of the Dead

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