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Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by JBA2848
There's not one bit of evidence supporting any of these alternate causes of death, why people want to deny that swine flu is killing people all over the World is beyond me but people believe all kinds of insane things so enjoy yourselves, I suppose.
The above characterization of A/Lviv/N6/2009, which was placed on deposit at GISAID by Mill Hill, raises concerns about the evasion of pandemic H1N1 sequences which change position 225. The above isolate has only one amino acid change in HA, D225G, which strongly implicates D225G in the low reactor results. A low reactor reduces the titer by four fold or more, which signals a mismatch. Mismatched vaccine create the potential for the section of the variant, which could create problems since D225G was found in four of four fatal cases in Ukraine, and several countries (Brazil, Ukraine, Norway, France, China) found D225G in fatal and or severe cases.
The Swine Flu Hoax,
When the avian flu scare arrived, no one questioned it. This time, things are different. Those with some brains, a memory and internet ingenuity are on the case. Let’s hope this message gets out.
Tamiflu is made and patented by Gilead Sciences and Donald Rumsfeld was the chairman of this company before he joined the Bush administration. When the Avian Flu scare flashed across the television sets of Americans, Gilead Sciences stock went through the roof.
The largest shareholder of Gilead Sciences is the FMR Corporation. This company is owned by Grover Glenn Norquist, a well-connected Republican activist with close ties to business and the media. Norquist was the Executive Director of the College Republican National Committee in the 1980's and he oversaw the transformation of the committee into a conservative grassroots powerhouse for the Reagan administration. His credentials and resume include being a:
- Lobbyist for Microsoft
- Member, board of directors, National Rifle Association
- Member, board of directors, American Conservative Union
- Member, Council on Foreign Relations (2001)
- Consultant for Janus-Merritt Strategies, a lobbying firm
People that has strike rich with the pandemic are, Rumsfeld, Norquist and Goldman Sachs (another major shareholder) do not have the general public's best interest at heart. They will manipulate every connection they have in government, media and the health-care industry to make this a financial windfall. I'm not insinuating they created the swine flu itself -they are just capitalizing on a virus that just isn't that much of a threat.
Scores of swine flu cases in Scotland may have been wrongly diagnosed by family doctors, it emerged today, forcing health officials to abandon a new testing regime.
Scottish ministers announced last week that GPs were to be allowed to diagnose the virus at their surgeries, rather than rely on lab tests.
The number of cases soared to 498 by the weekend, followed on Sunday by the first death of someone with swine flu outside the Americas. The victim, Jacqui Fleming, 38, from Carnwadric, Glasgow, also had underlying health problems.
Panic over hundreds of flu deaths exploited by Ukraine's politicians
Tracy McVeigh, chief reporter The Observer, Sunday 22 November 2009 Article history
A flu pandemic in Ukraine that has triggered a nationwide panic is worsening this weekend with up to 400 deaths already reported.
The arrival of the virus, suspected by the World Health Organisation to be swine flu but possibly a combination of the H1N1 strain and a respiratory illness, has paralysed the country's fragile health system and could even lead to the postponement of the general election which is scheduled for 17 January.
IN 1918 THERE WAS NEAR UNANIMOUS OPINION THAT A FLU WAS NOT CAUSING THE PANDEMIC
In what today would surely be, and was in fact pointed to in the Ukraine, 1918 obviously yielded many, many cases of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS), unlike any flu ever known. As previously mentioned, Roger, among others favors suspecting tuberculosis in all cases of acute respiratory failure of unknown origin (Roger P. M., Deloffre Prognosis of acute tuberculosis respiratory distress syndrome, 4 cases. Press Med 1995; 24(22): 1021–1024.). One thing is certain, ARDS caused by miliary TB is associated with just as high a fatality rate as ARDS caused by H1N1 or any other viral disease (Kim J. Y., Park Y. B. Miliary tuberculosis and acute respiratory distress syndrome. Int J Tuberc Lung Dis 2003;
Also unknown in 1918, but pertinent, since Kansas lies squarely in America’s
‘‘dustbowl’’, were the results of a European experiment wherein guinea pigs exposed to organisms like Avian tuberculosis (again, found in Swine tuberculosis) got little or no lung disease. However, when these mycobacteria were placed in dust aerosols, guinea pigs came down with progressive, fatal lung disease, not unlike what was occurring in the pandemic of 1918 [Tacquet Gernez-Rieux C. An experimental study of interactions between Pneumoconiosis and mycobacterial infections. Ann NY Acad Sci 1972;106.].
This is not unlike the particular matter called “soot” or “gray smog” that today pollutes the Ukraine, with its voracious appetite for coal.
Thus, although it has been proposed that infection with fowl (or swine) tuberculosis requires some ‘‘defect’’ in the human immune system, that defect could be as simple as dust tying up the body’s defenses. Certainly a previous tuberculosis infection, common in 1918, with or without accompanying ‘‘chronic bronchitis’’ would be, in certain cases, more than enough to qualify many as ‘‘compromised host’’, unleashing an animal or soil
non-tuberculosis mycobacterial infection. Expert Rosenzweig found a surprising number of these cases were in younger adults free of coexisting disease.[Rosenzweig DY. Pulmonary mycobacteria infections due to
Mycobacterium avium complex. Clinical features and course in 100 consecutive patients. Chest 1979;75:115.]. Rosenzweig isolated a case of Fowl (swine) tuberculosis (M. avium intercellular) in human lungs [Rosenzweig DY. Atypical mycobacteriosis. Clin Chest Med 1980;1:273–84.], commenting, that, although the average case of fowl TB in humans was thought to involve host compromise, that otherwise healthy hosts could also be affected in which severe and progressive diseases would and did occur. Mycobacterium kansasii and certain forms of M. avium intercellulare are the commonest forms of nonhuman tuberculosis in human (lungs).
Although pigs could be infected by human tuberculosis as well, the most prevalent tuberculosis found in their autopsied bodies was far and away
fowl or bird tuberculosis (M. avium), which affected a wide range of bird species, including water fowl, migratory birds, and domesticated birds as well as a number of mammals [Avian Tuberculosis, In: Merck veterinary manual. 8th ed. Philadelphia: National Publishing Inc.; 1998. p. 1952].
Dr. William Welch, one of the heads of America’s 1918 military medical corps, and one of America’s greatest doctors ever, also realized, first hand, that this particular ‘‘Influenza’s’’ clinical symptoms truly shocked medical officers across the country. Instead of the usual flu, which gave mild to moderate fever, Patients could spike to 105 or 106 degrees with accompanying delirium.
Instead of the sore throat, cough and various joint aches and pains, patients bled from the nose and ears, expectorated bloody, foamy sputum, became blue from lack of lung oxygen delivery, at which point it was only a matter of hours away from death thru suffocation from pneumonia, a horrible death[Grist NR. Pandemic influenza 1918. Brit Med J 1979;22(December):1632–3.]. At some army camps there averaged 100
deaths per day and upon autopsy, sliced blue swollen lungs exuded bloody froth, causing pathologists to say, over and over again that this must be some kind of new disease for certainly it wasn’t Influenza.
The War Department knew that it was the pneumonia and not the influenza that was doing the killing, they just had no idea what was causing the pneumonia. All of these signs and symptoms have subsequently been documented in the literature on disseminated tuberculosis and atypical
tuberculosis but it proved simply overwhelming at the time it was happening. The first autopsy of a victim occurred in Chicago in April. The pathologist doing it was besides himself seeing the lungs full of hemorrhages and troubled enough to mention to the Editor-in Chief of The Journal of Infectious Diseases ‘‘to look over it as a new disease’’ [ Jordan E. Epidemic influenza. 1st ed.. Chicago: AMA; 1927 ]. Yet, Gorgas, supreme head of America’s army corps insisted on referencing ‘‘influenza’’.
To be certain the spectacle of witnessing several autopsies was too much, even for William Henry Welch, a seasoned pathologist and top medical
lieutenant in Gorgas’s Executive Committee of the General Medical Board [ Flexner S, Flexner JT. William Welch and The Heroic Age of American Medicine. New York: Viking Press; 1941.]. Welch knew that surveys made in and around 1918 revealed that almost all adults in Europe and America were tuberculin positive, having at some time been infected with the bacilli.
Into this situation now came a seemingly new unknown disease, which, like tuberculosis, once in army camps thrived on fatigue, exposure and crowding. It certainly was acting like a mycobacteria. Was it a combination involving
Avian tuberculosis? One 1918 army medical officer had aptly mentioned to him that ‘‘Whenever you mobilize and call to the colors a 1000 men, you call
with them at least 20 billion tubercle bacilli, 10 billion typhoid, 5 billion pneumonia, and a couple of million dysentery germs’’ [ Hutchinson W. The Doctor in war. Boston: Houghton, Mifflin; 1918. p. 3]. But what that medical officer failed to mention was that of these only TB specifically could and did routinely cause ‘‘pneumonia’’.
In 1918, Camp Devens, near Boston was supposed to have 50,000 men, or did have before the epidemic broke loose. Starting with a flu-like illness
in what appeared to be grippe or Influenza, soldiers brought to the hospital seemed to quickly develop the most viscous type of pneumonia ever recorded.
Two hours after admission mahogany spots appeared over their cheekbones leading within hours to a blue cyanosis extending from their ears to spread all over the face until racial differentiation was impossible. From that point, it was only a matter of hours until death came, following the struggle for air and suffocation. Camp Devens was now seeing close to 100 such deaths a day, including an outrageous number of doctors and nurses among them.
Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by calohan
The interview with the head of forensics for Ukraine has been posted several times. He stressed repeatedly that there was no bacterial agent involved, that they died of swine flu / para-influenza.
Can you at least come up with an interview where he's changed his mind since then and determined they all died of TB instead? (Including the hundreds of Doctors who died who would have been tested for TB).