First, I thank you for bumping this thread up to the top of the section. It really helps the Clone Conspiracy Theory gain in momentum when you join in
discussion and help to bring out the stronger aspects of this theory, and I am sorry that you feel the need to not even so much as entertain the
possibility by knee-jerk denial...
Originally posted by JameSimon
I'm not a disinfo agent or a Shill. I'm just concerned with your mental health.
Well, Jame Simon,
Clearly I have struck a nerve. Next you will be explaining that the operatives interfering with me in the past few days, coincidentally after my above
posts and those in another threads, are also figments of an overactive imagination? Well, they are far more physical than your vapid words, so it is
easier to claim that you are imaginary than them.
Originally posted by JameSimonIt sickens me that people believe this cradle of filth and sickens me more that you are not getting
I am sorry you are sick. You said you are sickened twice, and maybe ought to look out for your health. If it is all in your mind, then that also can
be attended to. As for me, I am feeling quite fine, thank you. I am touched at your sincere concern for my well-being. I wish your colleagues would
share this concern and that they cease and desist.
Regarding other ATS members reading this thread, I find you very condescending towards them. We all owe them a minimum amount of respect! Each ATS
member, as a self-possessed individual, is entitled to believe whatever he or she choses and to see things through their own eyes, and not obey what
you or any dictates as acceptable. Nobody can designate themself as setting the standard or establishing what is true. So I don't understand why you
are telling us what we can or cannot believe? Jame Simon, are you playing a game of "Simon says"?
Originally posted by JameSimon
Getsmart, you are the most delusional person I've ever read on the internet, your comments are too bold and techy for even the most hardcore science
Jame Simon, you really need to get around a bit more. There is stuff on the internet that is way more far reaching and implausible than anything I
have ever posted on ATS. Of you are intolerant of those who think out of the box, then why are you upsetting yourself by deliberately coming to the
most radical and controversial HIGHLY SPECULATIVE section of an already very speculative conspiracy forum? This begs the question: "Why are you
Saying you are not a shill doesn't make that true. A shill would never say they are a shill just like a spy will never confess to being a spy.
Originally posted by JameSimon
- 2 people can look alike. For instance, I have these colleague at my job which looks just like Michael C. Hall, with the only clear difference being
his size and his hair.
There are indeed many people who look alike. However, it is statistically unlikely that the majority of people in positions of power and influence
would happen to look virtually identical in each key forensic feature to validate the postulate that they might be Cloned from an individual's
original DNA. However this does not validate the hypothesis that they are indeed Clones. Unless proven with complementary evidence this cannot be
known for certain.
I may be at this time convinced that they are Clones, but if proven otherwise, I will accept this to not be the case. And I am not imposing my
theories on anyone, they are simply tossed out there for anyone to consider and examine for any valid or invalid factors. However, to modify my
temporary conclusions, one would have to bring to the table some very convincing evidence of some external cause for otherwise statistically
impossible generalized occurrences of repeat feature sets between members of a former ruling class and members of our current ruling class: natural
generational reproduction within a governing elite is not sufficient for such a series frequency of repeat lookalikes.
Originally posted by JameSimon- Most of the people chosen by Getsmart are not lookalikes, they are remotely similar.
You had better have a more scientific way of explaining the difference between where similarities end and lookalikes begin, because you are not making
a very convincing case.
Originally posted by JameSimon
To justify his crazy theory, he says the reptilians are introducing small errors in the cloning process to make them less look alike. For people not
to believe in this crap just look Zooey Deschanel and Katy Perry, 2 living persons, completely unrelated, that look almost like twins.
I never said that anyone "introduced small errors" into the cloning process! Are you delusional? Where do you get that from? What I did state was that
it is possible to modify certain features of Clones, using genetic engineering technology. Today companies are offering on the market to prospective
parents, to select or modify certain genetic characteristics in the genes of their future offspring. This is not science fiction but part of corporate
biogenetics business plans and marketing initiatives.
That this potential is openly recognized as within the realm of current science and technology, demonstrates that whomever intervenes upon human
genetics by cloning can also modify in various ways certain parameters in the genome of Clones. From what I have gathered from the early attempts by
humans to Clone under Hitler, namely Josef Mengele's obsession with changing the eye color of identical twins during his vast experiments in
concentration camps which were recovered along with him when he was brought to the USA to collaborate with the joint US/Nazi CIA.
It is more than plausible that after half a century of research in this area, that they can now modify eye color and hair color. I am not certain what
other features might be affected, and even have doubts that physical features unrelated to color pigmentation would be as easy to change? I have not
seen evidence of Clones "with variations" as you seem to allude to as existing. Were it so, I would have a very hard time identifying them as being
Clones as they would not then be identical in head shape, bone structure, feature implantation distribution, size and geometric angles, inner ear
structure, jawline and general physiognomy.
A perfect match in these characteristics makes a person simply a "Candidate" as a replicate from former DNA. It does not mean one is a Clone. It could
be random coincidence. However, the statistical frequency of such replication in a given social group makes this not just unlikely, but statistically
impossible. Hence the only alternative hypothesis at this date, that there are indeed large numbers of Clones in high government office and positions
Originally posted by JameSimon- People's faces change during their life.
Yes, of course they do. They thin out or thicken up. However, the relative position of their features do not shift. Their eyes don't drift apart,
their chin doesn't change shape, their brow-line doesn't grow or shrink. Let's get real. That people can look different at first glance is clear.
However you must start to exercise more discrimination and learn to analyse feature sets and geometric positions between them to be able to ascertain
whether a person is a Clone. This is what is done with facial recognition software used in the security industry and by spy cams which can cross
reference people from a photo or video footage. Learn to do the same yourself before casting summary judgment.
Originally posted by JameSimon- You cannot compare a photo with a portrait.
You can compare anything you wish to compare. Portraits used to be the only way to remotely see a semblance of a person's appearance. Portraitists
were prized for their ability to faithfully replicate a person's features. Certainly an abstract or cubist portrait would serve little purpose in
identifying an individual but a portrait painted by a portraitist worth their salt can be just as helpful in identifying a person's physiognomy.
Photographs can be also deceiving, due to camera angles, lighting, lens focal length, etc. which all modify various aspects of perception for
comparison purposes. Portraits have been used to identify sitters. One notorious recent case is the former alleged "self-portrait" of Vincent Van Gogh
which was identified by a private party as being his brother Theo, this was done by a person such as myself simply comparing the forensic evidence of
VAN GOGH MUSEUM: Van Gogh "self-portrait" is really brother Theo
Originally posted by JameSimon- People ruining their faces because with plastic surgery is not a reason for them being reptilians. They
are just sick people.
I find you very unfair and uncaring about the unfortunate victims of botched plastic surgery. They exist and are to be helped and supported and not
mocked. Also I don't know why you speak about them being reptilians? Do you confuse everyone you disagree with, amalgamating notions without
discerning to whom you are speaking? I never so much as thought, lest ever said, that anyone is a reptilian due to their facial features. I fear you
are losing it here...
Originally posted by aorAki
Oh goodness me, you're so passive-aggressive, it's noticeable in all your replies to people who disagree with you and your wacky ideas forged in the
fires of fantasy and imagination. i applaud you for your imagination, but not for your approach to those who disagree. I for one, do not agree with
You really have got me wrong aorAki.
I INVITE PEOPLE TO DISAGREE.
I OFTEN TRY TO DISAGREE WITH MYSELF TO RETHINK.
IT IS CALLED "RESEARCH" BECAUSE YOU QUESTION EVERYTHING.
I have however arrived at a temporary conclusion. I sincerely hope I am wrong. I certainly do not want to live in a totally controlled society with
lord knows who Cloning people. That is not a pretty picture book world I particularly enjoy. However, I have failed to hear from you or others any
convincing arguments to explain the statistically impossible replication of individuals in positions of power and notoriety. Counterarguments have
routinely centered on feature blindess or simple denial a being to wild a story to believe. Yet reality is often stranger than fiction.
You are of course invited to disagree with my premise, with my arguments, with any corollary hypotheses. But they are not the same thing as heckling
me for having ideas you find are not conform to your desires. Treat me with respect and I shall do likewise.
edit on 25-5-2013 by Getsmart because: stay tuned, there are many more Clones to come!