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posted on May, 20 2004 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
CoolHand: "Considering the fact that they are out to clease the world for Islam, yes. You can either convert, or die as you are not worthy of sharing in Allah's graces.

Guess you will be one of the new converts for Islam?"


Well, unfortunately for those us who are educated enough to know better, this is a load of fear-mongering crap.

Do you know ANYTHING about Islam? Please enlighten me.



Yes, do explain your points out




posted on May, 20 2004 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling


You'll stop crime by fear and intimidating behavior, yah, the works just like the death sentence.



Of course!! What do you think keeps people from committing more crime? FEAR of incarceration, punishment, and yes, death. What do YOU think keeps more folks from committing crimes, a pat on the back and a, "there there, it's not your fault...it's society's fault..."

Give me a break...



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling

Wars breed terrorism, i feel my point has been sufficiently proven.


You haven't proven a single thing, just that you have an opinion...you know what they say about opinions.

It amazes me how many people think that if they just say something off the wall three or four times, that constitutes PROOF!!!



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by MessedUpAnnie
Speculation? It's all speculation unless you were there! Go read, you should be able to find enough stuff to keep you busy on the subject.

As for Saddam, where did he get the weapons from? Find me the 'speculation' on that will ya?


I have looked for that proof, and I cannot find a direct link between OBL and the Bush family. Please point that out to me as you apparently have found it.

Since Saddam fought his wars with Russian and French equipment, I guess that answers that. As soon as I see a member of his army using something that was made in the USA I will reconsider.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
Well, unfortunately for those us who are educated enough to know better, this is a load of fear-mongering crap.

Do you know ANYTHING about Islam? Please enlighten me.


Well then I guess you need to check up on your sources as they have repeated called for all Muslims to rise up against their Christian oppressors. We aren't the ones who promise a quick trip to paradise for killing someone who is not one of the faithful. That crap went out with the Crusades.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
AffirmativeReaction: Why would I support troops who are part of an illegal war? Are you somehow protecting me and my freedoms by being in Iraq? Hardly.

It doesn't bother you knowing this war was fought for oil companies and Republican contributors? That there was no threat to the USA? Can you force American-style freedom on those who don't want it?

jako





So why, pray tell, is this an "illegal war"? I have asked this of many who claim it to be, and have never received a lucid answer yet.

You seem to have no clue as to why the coalition is in Iraq. Besides the genocide Saddam and his lunatic sons were imparting on their own countrymen, the support for terrorism was real, regardless of what the loony left has to say. In addition to sending $25,000 to the family of every Palestinian homicide bomber, Abu Mussab al-Zarkawi, the bin Ladin Lieutenant and murderer who personally decapitated Nick Berg, has been operation out of Iraq for over three years with Saddam's full support.

Take it from someone who has been there. the Iraqi people are glad we rescued them. Other that Al Said's kook followers, when was the last time you saw an anti US mob in Iraq? They are very happy we are there, restarting services, building schools and hospitals, and giving them a chance at real freedom.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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Incarceration doesn't work either, it's just make some companies a # load of money. Crime has turned into one big business, and not just for the criminals.

Affirmative ... Can you answer this question for me?

If what you say is true, that these terrorists committed murder on 9/11 and therefore it is ok now for the US to go there and do the same thing ...

Then shouldn't the American laws be changed? If someone comes and kills my dad, or my daughter or one of my friends ... shouldn't I be able to go to that person and kill them myself without being charged and jailed? Because #, if the government can do it, why the hell don't the same rules work for me?

Who's for changing the laws on this? Hands up.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:12 PM
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what kind did:
-entering a full autobus and blow himself up ?
-entering a restaurant and blow himself up ?
-driving a car full of explosives into a building ?
-flying civilian aircraft full of passengers into a dense populated skyscraper ?
-driving a truckload full of explosives into an embassy ?

do i have to go on ?




posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:19 PM
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I have looked for that proof, and I cannot find a direct link between OBL and the Bush family. Please point that out to me as you apparently have found it.

There are many, type in 'bush and osama connection' into google but here is one for now ...

www.fromthewilderness.com...

Since Saddam fought his wars with Russian and French equipment, I guess that answers that. As soon as I see a member of his army using something that was made in the USA I will reconsider.

I gotta go out now, I'll try to find some links on the Saddam US connection when I get back for you, sorry.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by MessedUpAnnie
Incarceration doesn't work either, it's just make some companies a # load of money. Crime has turned into one big business, and not just for the criminals.

Affirmative ... Can you answer this question for me?



Incarceration is a chance for rehabilitation, as many have proved. But you get out of it what you put into it. If you don't rehabilitate and reoffend, then it becomes storage to keep you away from decent people.

You assume that it is the same thing. It is not. War is war, terrorism is terrorism, they are not the same thing. When there is collateral damage in war, as there is wont to be, we apologise and compensate those who have suffered. Do the terrorists do that? No. They laugh, hoot, and holler, party in the streets. They are lower than whale shiite.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by MessedUpAnnie

www.fromthewilderness.com...



Ok, people, look....you really have to quit making me laugh so hard. If you want to be taken seriously at all, you have to come up with REPUTABLE SOURCES, not anti-government hate sites. There is no truth in slander.....



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:37 PM
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AffirmativeReaction: "Of course!! What do you think keeps people from committing more crime? FEAR of incarceration, punishment, and yes, death. What do YOU think keeps more folks from committing crimes, a pat on the back and a, "there there, it's not your fault...it's society's fault..." "

Um, newsflash, Aff. The USA has the largest percentage of their own citizens incarcerated. More than China.

And there's even the death penalty. Want to try again?

The Nazis ruled by fear predominantly. You would probably make an excellent Nazi with that kind of attitude, but I don't know that for sure.

"So why, pray tell, is this an "illegal war"? I have asked this of many who claim it to be, and have never received a lucid answer yet. "

Resolution 1441 didn't allow military action. WHY IS THERE A COALITION OF THE WILLING? Because the UN Security Council VOTED DOWN the invasion of Iraq. So the US went AGAINST the Security Council and invaded without UN approval, and with a ragtag bunch of countries (Pulau, Marshall Islands, Poland, etc). Which is illegal according to international law. Get it?

"Take it from someone who has been there. the Iraqi people are glad we rescued them. Other that Al Said's kook followers, when was the last time you saw an anti US mob in Iraq? They are very happy we are there, restarting services, building schools and hospitals, and giving them a chance at real freedom."

Okay now I KNOW you're not on this planet. There's anti-US protests EVERY DAY. Six or seven today in protest against the killing of the wedding party. Where do you get this BS, man?

"It is not. War is war, terrorism is terrorism, they are not the same thing. When there is collateral damage in war, as there is wont to be, we apologise and compensate those who have suffered. Do the terrorists do that? No. They laugh, hoot, and holler, party in the streets. They are lower than whale shiite. "

Hey genius, explain to me what Shock And Awe was. STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM. Dropping bombs on a city of 4 million civilians in order to terrorize them into surrendering.

What is torturing and abusing prisoners who haven't even been charged with anything?

What is invading and occupying an unwilling populace against the tenets of international law?

What are you smoking?


CoolHand: "I have looked for that proof, and I cannot find a direct link between OBL and the Bush family. Please point that out to me as you apparently have found it."

Go to Google.com. Type in "Bush Bin Laden Connection". Then click Search. Pick one of the 276,000 results. See, learning can be fun!

"Well then I guess you need to check up on your sources as they have repeated called for all Muslims to rise up against their Christian oppressors. We aren't the ones who promise a quick trip to paradise for killing someone who is not one of the faithful. That crap went out with the Crusades. "

I must have missed that call for "all Muslims" to rise up against their christian oppressors. Who's the leader of all Muslims in the world, anyway? Since you have this "call for killing" you must know who made it, right?

So please explain to me who in the world speaks for all Muslims everywhere. Go on, we're all listening.

And while you're at it, please provide a link to this worldwide call to Muslims to kill Christians, I would very much like to read it.

And if you can't provide any of these items, kindly shut yer yap.





[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Jakomo]



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:38 PM
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Affirmative ... you DIDN't answer my question, you detoured it, not good enough sorry.

As for REPUTABLE sources, oh yes, just let me find a Bush loving website that will admit that Bush was in with Osama .. fat #ing chance buddy. And that was just one link .. here's another ...perhaps this is more REPUTABLE for you

www.cbc.ca...

you know there are tons, you're just trying to take cheap shots cuz you're losing the war ... not just the war on terrorism either








[Edited on 20-5-2004 by MessedUpAnnie]



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by Nerdling


You'll stop crime by fear and intimidating behavior, yah, the works just like the death sentence.



Of course!! What do you think keeps people from committing more crime? FEAR of incarceration, punishment, and yes, death. What do YOU think keeps more folks from committing crimes, a pat on the back and a, "there there, it's not your fault...it's society's fault..."




hey moron, if rule by fear worked americas prison population would not be sky-rocketing out of control..and if rule by fear worked then terrorism is winning



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
Go to Google.com. Type in "Bush Bin Laden Connection". Then click Search. Pick one of the 276,000 results. See, learning can be fun!


Well I dont know if you realized this being French Canadian and all, but the internet has a lot of webpages, and some are filled with crap. Wait I will give you a momment to pick up your jaw.................

Ok. As I was saying, you can type in any word into google and get results. In the spirit of your "learning is fun" motto lets look at some searches I ran.



"JFK conspiracy" - Results 157,000
But more importantly:

"french canada sucks" - Results: 73,700

And I did pick some of your bin laden links randomly, more than five gave me porn redirects.

Excellent investigation once again Jakomo.
Got to love your ignorance.


[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Agent47]



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:56 PM
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"french canada sucks" - Results: 73,700


well yes..the more popular items will have a lot of info such as the one above..the subjects that have alot of support



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by Jakomo
Well, unfortunately for those us who are educated enough to know better, this is a load of fear-mongering crap.

Do you know ANYTHING about Islam? Please enlighten me.


Well then I guess you need to check up on your sources as they have repeated called for all Muslims to rise up against their Christian oppressors. We aren't the ones who promise a quick trip to paradise for killing someone who is not one of the faithful. That crap went out with the Crusades.



yes the christian promise of salvation for killing may be over somewhat....now they just call you a hero for being a killer.....pretty much the same



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:02 PM
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Where to start....lets see, most of what you wrote is just rhetoric, so I won't answer the really stupid stuff, but...

You, I, and no one else has a total picture of what goes on in China, but you actually proved my point. China rules by TOTAL fear. Perhaps that's why, if what you claim without proof, is true. They are said to execute TONS more folks than we do, and they are summary executions. Our criminals live for sometimes 20 years or better.

1441 DID give us permission to do what was necessary, and NO OTHER RESOLUTION PASSED in the UN....nice try with the Marshall Islands, Poland crap though...forgot about the UK, Spain, Japan and the rest conveniently, eh?

I guess you are watching different news than I am. I haven't seen much going on as far as protests. They had died down to nothing by the time I finished my second tour recently....but you've been there, right??? You know better than I do, right??? Because the press only shows the absolute truth, and they show EVERYTHING that's going on, right? What planet are YOU on???

STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM...caps must make it true, eh? Look here, dingus, we weren't carpet bombing, we were using precision munitions. Of course, you'll lie to make it look like something it wasn't regardless, so what's the use in trying to explain something to someone who is so ignorant as to change the truth to meet their selfish needs.

The prison thing was wrong. The Iraqi's weren't tortured. Saddam knows torture. Nick Berg knew torture. You don't know torture.




unwilling populace against the tenets of international law?



Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Go shake hands with a couple of Iraqi men, high five a few smiling kids...then you tell me if they are unwilling. All you see is what you want to on CNN.



Sorry if you don't like my answers, Annie...I don't much care for yours either....



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by McGotti

hey moron, if rule by fear worked americas prison population would not be sky-rocketing out of control..and if rule by fear worked then terrorism is winning


Look in the mirror to find the moron, moron.

It's not "rule by fear", it's "fear of reprecussions" that laws are based on. If you weren't SUCH as moron, as you called me, you would know that.....what the hell do you think laws are based on?

Terrorism is not winning, because we, as Americans, refuse to be afraid. We are taking the fight TO the terrorists, and they are definatly afraid.....haven't seen much of bin Laden lately, have you?

By the way, this isn't the Mud Pit. Keep your personal attacks there. The mods get a bit toasty when you open your fowl mouth in other forums.....

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:14 PM
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Affirmative ... you are the most ignorant excuse for a soldier I have ever come across ... I never said I didn't like your answer. I said you didn't answer the question.

And finally, perhaps you should read this .. this is a quote from Cearball


I'm going to Iraq in June for three months. I volunteered so that another didn't have to go unwillingly. The individual needs to stay and take care of his/her family matters. He/She has a baby daughter and she deserves to have her father/mother with her, and have a normal childhood hopefully. I'll be there in Iraq to help those around me, stuck in the same boat as me, and if need be, die for them, not for GW.
I apologise for what our country is doing, please don't judge us for what this president is doing.


I refuse to post in this thread anymore when there is so much ignorance from people who will not open their eyes. People who believe in ruling through fear as well as continuing to stand by their right to murder in revenge and continue to breed terrorism.

And sorry you didn't like my answers, it's most likely because you know inside that I am right. I hope one day your conscious will get the best of you for the atrocities you have committed. God help you.

I noticed you couldn't comment on the link this time or the fact that you are losing the war.




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