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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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Ok Drexon, went over your picture there. The light that has been shining off the Tower has been doing so since the late 70's, the revolving lights have been there since 2005-6? I believe if memory serves me right, and the sky wheel has been there since 2008. There are plenty of lights that have just as much power and concentration on top of the Hiltons and the Fallsview Casino, Why no light or reflection there? I've seen "IT" 40+ times since the very first sighting in October of 2009, and I've gone threw almost every step you've gone threw to try and come up with a conclusive answer. Basically your telling me that these lights and reflections are being caused by a new super rare, hasn't been discovered yet, weather phenomenon that only reflects 3 "Specific" lights in an area of thousands of lights due to the exact conditions of Humidity, Temp, Wind patterns, and height? Creating it's own "special Cloud" so to speak that sits in one specific area, only refracting exact lights from those 3 spots? I've seen "it" last 10 mins up to 6 hours one night. I've seen 17 lights one evening (December 30th,2009), 6 of them were blue! I've watched them disappear right before my eyes. As of recently there giving off EMF readings and high ones. Again I commend your efforts and all the trouble you've gone threw to get the"Truth" I just don't believ it's the "right" one. Open for debate, thanks Drexon chat soon, can't wait to hear your reply!!!




posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by MrWhatdidusee
Ok Drexon, went over your picture there. The light that has been shining off the Tower has been doing so since the late 70's, the revolving lights have been there since 2005-6? I believe if memory serves me right, and the sky wheel has been there since 2008. There are plenty of lights that have just as much power and concentration on top of the Hiltons and the Fallsview Casino, Why no light or reflection there? I've seen "IT" 40+ times since the very first sighting in October of 2009, and I've gone threw almost every step you've gone threw to try and come up with a conclusive answer. Basically your telling me that these lights and reflections are being caused by a new super rare, hasn't been discovered yet, weather phenomenon that only reflects 3 "Specific" lights in an area of thousands of lights due to the exact conditions of Humidity, Temp, Wind patterns, and height? Creating it's own "special Cloud" so to speak that sits in one specific area, only refracting exact lights from those 3 spots? I've seen "it" last 10 mins up to 6 hours one night. I've seen 17 lights one evening (December 30th,2009), 6 of them were blue! I've watched them disappear right before my eyes. As of recently there giving off EMF readings and high ones. Again I commend your efforts and all the trouble you've gone threw to get the"Truth" I just don't believ it's the "right" one. Open for debate, thanks Drexon chat soon, can't wait to hear your reply!!!


Well, now you're putting words in my mouth. In your post you say I claim a bunch of things I've never said, but I guess I have to answer every single one of them to make things right. *sigh*

Square building. Late 70's? Reasonable. I saw two people point out the light pillar coming from that tower the night I saw it, but they didn't seem to care, or think it was a UFO. And by the way, what I'm claiming is that the powerful, upwards directed spotlights that light up the building is what's penetrating deep into the atmosphere, creating one of the 3 points of light usually seen. Do you have any source proving that the lighting conditions have been identical since the 70's?

Searchlights (the ones you call revolving lights). It's entirely possible that the phenomenon you've seen 40+ times and me "only" 5-6 times would have continued going unnoticed unless special circumstances formed that night 13 months ago. 1: People don't look up very often. 2: The phenomenon hasn't been as powerful as it was in the Antigravity Skate Shop video since, meaning it probably went unnoticed before, as it's been noticed, but only by UFO enthusiasts who knew what to look for, ever since.

Ferris wheel (skywheel). Even in the Antigravity Skate Shop video you can tell there are two separate lights, that are weaker than the reflection (the middle light, or the "flash") and the other stationary light (which I'm proposing is from the square building). This is consistent with the stationary spotlights lighting up the wheel. I believe there are two on each side of the wheel, pointing upwards at an angle, inwards towards the wheel so as to light it up. They're not nearly as bright as the searchlights either, which also is consistent with the Antigravity video, and even some of my pictures, as they show two smaller lights which are clearly separate, but in an array, just like the ferris wheel lights.

The lights on top of the Hotels south of the Tower, next to the casino are indeed upwards focused, but they're not nearly as powerful as the searchlights and the 4 arrays of spotlights that light up the square building. I went up to Skylon Tower and had a look. They're just no where near as powerful.

"Basically your telling me that these lights and reflections are being caused by a new super rare, hasn't been discovered yet, weather phenomenon that only reflects 3 "Specific" lights in an area of thousands of lights due to the exact conditions of Humidity, Temp, Wind patterns, and height?"

No. No no no. Super rare? Obviously not since it's been visible 5-6 times in my less than 2 week visit. I said light pillars are usually super rare. But, and I'm paraphrasing you now, Niagara Falls is a special place when it comes to water particles in the air, which is most likely the prime suspect here.

Hasn't been discovered yet? Well, it might just be a "weak" version of the normal light pillar phenomenon. Though what contradicts that is that it's been visible during the summer, or at least semi-visible. Given how often it's been visible the last 2 winters, what's so hard to believe about a summer time light pillar phenomenon? I'm hoping that it's a "non crystal based form of light pillar phenomenon that reacts with powerful, directed, ground based lights", meaning it's a new phenomenon.

Never claimed the phenomenon Only reflects these 3 lights. Just that these 3 are the ones usually seen because they're the brightest (from up there).

And where did I claim it is the result of "exact conditions of Humidity, Temp, Wind patterns, and height"? I said humidity is the probable culprit in this. Temperature I've said nothing about. Not wind patterns either. And height I've mentioned, but not in the context you describe.

"Creating it's own "special Cloud" so to speak that sits in one specific area, only refracting exact lights from those 3 spots?"

This weak version of the light pillar phenomenon only appears to react with high powered, directed ground based lighting. There are only 3 of those in the area, and as my pictures show, the pattern matches perfectly. It wouldn't matter that it's windy either. Clouds that form the normal light pillar phenomenon are usually transparent, and if I'm correct, this phenomenon would be even more transparent. You wouldn't see where the area that create the light pillar phenomenon starts and ends. In fact, the only time you've Sort of been able to see it is in the Antigravity video, where the clouds must've been packed to the brim with ice crystals.

"I've seen "it" last 10 mins up to 6 hours one night."

Ok.

"I've seen 17 lights one evening (December 30th,2009), 6 of them were blue!"

Color only indicates the color of the ground lights they reflect. If you see more than the 3 upwards directed lights, you're probably gonna see different colors as well, considering the area.

"I've watched them disappear right before my eyes."

The ground lights were being turned off.

"As of recently there giving off EMF readings and high ones."

I hope you're not referring to the EMF equipment inside smart phones. These are extremely imprecise instruments of science and are about as reliable as dowsing rods. So that's just not a good argument. Not until you get professional EMF equipment and set up proper scientific experiments.

Did I miss anything?
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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Excellent, thank you. You've answered most of my concerns with very reasonable responses that can possibly be the answer to the questions. The light that comes from the tower, gradually disperses as it gets higher in the sky almost creating it's own flood light so to speak, can you explain how that would create one of the usual 3 lights that most times is a round circle very high in the sky? When the light is constantly spreading out , not in?

Seeing only blue and white lights doesn't explain the ground lights below, because (as you've seen for yourself) There are many different very bright neon colours below, why would only blue be seen?

One thing which you might not of noticed by your own observation, or the many videos also needs an answer. As "IT" is higher in the sky the 3 lights seem to be closer together and when they are lower they are much further apart. The "Flash" has not always been in the same spot, in relation to the 3 lights. Meaning it's sometimes on the outside, or in a slightly different spot?


I have seen clouds pass directly under the lights, yet have still been able to see them. How would that be possible?

Thanks, I'll be patiently waiting.



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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I just have to say that I believe you (Drexon) left too soon. That's all. Too soon. You did not get a chance to fully experience an observation of IT in IT's full glory...and see first hand what video does not show OR prove.
ALSO, the irony of your choice of pic of the Millenium Falcon 'leaping' to light speed is perfect.
What you refer to seeing (light beams) is lost on what we believe we are seeing, the 'lights' from a 'vehicle', as shown on the rear of the Millenium Falcon in the pic. Just a crazy observation...
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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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I already came up with these conclusions a couple months ago based on MY RESEARCH.

The Perspective of the lights coming together in the upper atmosphere creating a V shape, The lakes to the West and in the area as a possible cause of moisture, The Triangle illusion from the bright lights, The Flash explanation while you still thought it was a solid object, and the exact lights sources were things I TOLD YOU about.
The tower light being the source to one of them was already in my 2009 video, nothing new there either.

I don't take kindly to plagiarism.

Based on my hundreds of viewing hours which included hunting down the light source, the light that turns off is not the Ferris wheel which you even kept CORRECTING ME on.
Why?
I saw the left light go out between 10:30 and 11pm multiple times, and was beside the building more than once and it went off the exact time the sky light went off every time.

Also...the ferris wheel lights......are ALWAYS ON.
Makes no sense that it's the Ferris wheel lights then....does it.

The light source IS the Fudge Factory on Clifton Hill. Period.

Hate to be an ass but when people say the SOLVED SOMETHING when they infact just took all my info research and findings that I kindly told them, then published it as THEIR OWN without giving an ounce of credit to the person doing ALL THE RESEARCH, that really pisses me right off.

I wanted to SAVE MY FINDINGS until I collected more EVIDENCE, now I had to let it out it prematurely without enough backing.

thanks
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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Hey thanks for your 2 weeks of research.

Now you knock my SMARTPHONE EMF program too?
I have one of the BEST stand alone EMF meters and my program is much more sensitive and ACCURATE.
Again, experience, not conjecture.

Don't knock the iphone 4 dude, you have obviously no clue about the tech inside it.

Most of your explanations lack experience honestly, as most of your idea's you took from me without the backing of having the details.
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posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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A quote for his blog

"Feels good that I was the only one in the world to fully figure this out though. I may even call it the Melender phenomenon, if history lets me."

First one to figure this out huh?
You have alot of nerve little boy, seriously, that's a load of plagiaristic # and you know it.

Since you used all my research to "figure it out" you can be SURE it won't happen as long as I'm around.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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Just for evidence I want to enlighten everyone on Yamni's theft of my findings and claiming he SOLVED THIS on his own.

That he was, and I quote his blog, "the only one in the world to fully figure this out " as he states with such blatant disregard for the TRUTH and lack of respect for other people's hard work and time spent.


Since he's been here, it's been cloudy, snowy, overcast and generally # weather.
The Phenomenon has appeared only FAINTLY at best, his OWN EVIDENCE shows this. Bad showings since he's been here.

Lets take only 2 points that he "claims" he "figured out".
Point 1: he states that the Perspective idea WHICH I TOLD HIM, is his own showing pictures of a Millennium falcon. REAL SCIENTIFIC. Way to go. Star Wars. A movie. Yeah. Grade A science. Cheer.

Point 2: The Triangle illusion WHICH I TOLD HIM ALSO, and gives me no credit for that which I told him as well.

1. How is it that in OVERCAST weather, with showings SO FAINT that it's barely seen, and the 2 main lights only appearing as DOTS at the best times, tell him that there is a perspective effect happening?

You need LONG LINES and MULTIPLE LIGHTS to realize that there is perspective happening, yet only 1 BAR showed over the Tower. ( to which I already SHOWED back in 2009, and he thinks it's new info and he solved that too )

IMPOSSIBLE for him to conclude anything from that.

He didn't even have enough evidence to MAKE this conclusion.

2. The TRIANGLE EFFECT I came up with on my own via the differences in bright lights on each side of the flash after MANY HOURS of viewing from MANY locations and under MANY weather conditions.

THis effect never appeared the whole time he was here.
CLOUDY and Extremely faint showings.

How could you come to this conclusion as well, without actually seeing the effect take place?
And having no EVIDENCE of his own that this took place?
UNLESS YOU PLAGIARIZED ME!

You can't
It's not possible to come up with conclusions on your own, that you didn't MEASURE YOURSELF.

Your OWN EVIDENCE and LACK of EVIDENCE caught your plagiarism.

That's only 2 points of many he had no way of knowing or measuring, yet YOU CALIM YOU SOLVED THIS?

And FINALLY:

I already TOLD all the info ( except the lasing effect, which I told to 1 person ) to other people LONG BEFORE YOU CAME HERE.

I have witnesses that you stole my idea's and are pawning my hundreds of hours of work off as your own.


Maybe you'll think TWICE next time about stealing someone's LONG MONTHS AND MONTHS of hard work and findings, and thinking you can get away with it.



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Wow Shiver, I had know Idea you had broken the case wide open months ago? Why didn't you let Eroo or Myself in on that? I wouldn't of bothered you with the last 10 sightings then. Why would you still film it if you knew it was just ice pillars?

Just curious dude, I'm not 100% on weather yet, but I'm close.

One more question, How do you explain the EMF readings? cause that messed with my head after I heard that. I thought for sure there has to be some sort of craft if it's giving off EMF readings and High ones at that!



posted on Jan, 28 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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Wow, lot of drama in here. Shiver's making a lot of claims he cannot back. Basically what he's claiming is that because we came to some similar conclusions, he thinks I stole them from him, because I couldn't have Possibly come up with them by my self 'cause I don't have an IQ of 122 (which I do).

Before all this snowballed and Shiver started harassing me on Youtube (making me remove the video shot with his camera, which he later willingly gave to me along with approval for me to use as my own and upload to Youtube), e-mail (terrible mails full with curse words and accusations which just aren't true, which I can prove) and here, I Was going to try and make things right and have him save face. But now, I'm sorry Shiver, but you brought this onto yourself for acting this way.

As far as I'm concerned the only "bad" thing I've done is use some images I got from him, that he "painstakingly" Googled, as examples of what the light pillar phenomenon looks like.

It's gonna take me a while to make the blog post (which I'll post here as well), but I'll paint up a scenario in which where we talk, and then later I discover all of these things by myself. It's all backed by time stamps, texts, videos and pictures.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 12:22 AM
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Well, Tonight I've come to the conclusion that Drexon, Shiver, Handeroo and the 2000 other people who thought it is and was a weather phenomenon are correct!!!

As much as I would love to believe it is a UFO, it's not. Last night I left work while the lights were visible from my work ( the place I've seen it from at least 30 times) and went to clifton Hill, stood directly under the revolving search lights and saw the bright flash and the other cylindreical lights aswell. Called work, talked to a co-worker who could not see the flash only the other 2 lights, that were at a different angle then what I was seeing. Done and Done!!!

As stated by others before me tonight, it's all about "perspective" and where you are in relation to that set of revolving search lights! Depending on how high in the sky the phenomenon is, gives every person who sees it a different view. The only time it is visibly the same to all is when it is extremely high in the sky. At this time every one sees the same 3 lights, 2 stationary and 1 flash.

Kick ass, it's a really rare weather phenomenon that happens very frequently in my backyard, how cool is that!

There are a few unexplained things.

1. Shiver Canada's Skywalkers videos, I have no idea what those are? Those are probably UFO's.

2. Last January 3 guys from Bigelo aerospace came to the falls to try and record it but where not triumphant.
They said "We wouldn't of wasted our time coming up here if we thought it was a weather phenomenon"

3. Shiver Canada's november 2009 video, he says he saw it zip off at incredible speed, nothing that any craft
could do on this planet!



Other then that, case closed, it's been fun trying to figure it out, and with the help of Really smart swede, the amazing commitment of Shiver and Handeroo to get the vids. And the correlation of all these things coming together very recently, we'd all still be hunting a UFO that is nothing more then a bunch of asshole crystals that reflect light!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 01:44 AM
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I dunno if Shiver made it impossible for me to make video responses on Youtube or not. I can't post text comments anyway, which shows just how unprofessional he is. Youtube said it posted the video responses, but I can't seem to find 'em when I click his Youtube video.

*Shrugs*

Here they are anyway. Huge waste of time on slanders and lies.




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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Hehe, well he (Shiver) finally responded to my videos on Youtube. What was his response to my proof? That I faked it.



OMG this guy is unreal. YOu never sent those texts. Wow you're covering your ASS by making up phone texts NOW??? I'm done with you man

I suppose I broke into Rogers database and altered their records as well? Go to rogers.com and login to see for yourself. Login is hembakat@hotmail.com password is 4everyone.

At this point there should be no doubt as to who's speaking the truth. I mean, I feel kind of sorry for him. He obviously convinced himself he gave me all this information, and when he's presented with actual proof that that just never happened, his ego goes into the fetal position as he claims I faked the proof. I guess this is how children in adult bodies act when they go "I don't wanna!".
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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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[snip]

What he's Purposely hiding form everyone is I SAW HIM BEFORE HE HAD A CHANCE TO DO ANY RESEARCH!!!

He's giving you TEXTS from DAYS after I told him ALL my findings.

He's failing to tell you all that I have WITNESSES to whom I've told these theories almost 2 months before he got here.

I SOLVED IT ALREADY, he just USED my findings and over 600 HOURS OF WORK to then CLAIM he figured it out.

That's PLAGIARISM.

mypicx.com/01292011/Proof/

Showing this Yamni Plagiarist further lies.

saw him and Told him everything the SECOND DAY HE ARRIVED!

He did NO RESEARCH AT ALL at that time, and HANDEROO can verify this as he was there that night as well and KNOWS he didn't even so much as look in the sky yet!

I told him ALL MY FINDINGS THAT NIGHT!!!

The 7 gigs data was the night before he booked his plane back home, I gave him the Oregon Light pillar sequence, 1 piece of evidence he claims HE FOUND.

Anything he saw, was only verification of my FINDINGS.

YOu're good at making [snip] video's and doing EXTREMELY SLOPPY WORK.

Stick with that, and leave the real research to people who take TIME to come up with the truth, not use people's work and slop together a messy opinion.

You think you can come here and STEAL MY WORK and slink away back home claiming victory and get away with it?

You [snip] mistook my kindness and willingness to share my findings for being a pushover.

YOu have NO EVIDENCE of your own that corroborates your findings.

YOu LACK OF EVIDENCE is proof enough.

Add to that WITNESSES that I solved this months before you claim you're THE ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD TO FIGURE IT OUT is utter Bullocks.

Again folks, he HID the texts from you all about me seeing him on the second day he arrived ( did no research still ) and I told him ALL my findings that night.

And he chose to give you texts that he sent MANY DAYS LATER, which I don't even have mind you, so I have no proof he even sent them..


No matter, I have proof I met him before he even LOOKED IN THE SKY.
Corroborated by Handeroo

[snip]

YOu can't go around taking credit for people's work [snip].

NO ONE TRUST YOU NOW, so give it up and slink into the night.

Keep defending yourself [snip]







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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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Let's keep the conversation civil, OK?

Thanks.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Hey I didn't do it because I wanted to be 100% sure bu getting evidence of the light on Clifton hill turning off at the same time the light turned off as well as talking to a specialist in laser optics which I had lined up already.

I wanted to come out with strong evidence all at once instead of rushing it. Nothing rushed is solved.

I needed the video before I could do that for the interview, lights weren't showing up when I was able to see them due to severe headaches.

I didn't want to SLOPPILY put together findings based on other people's work. Work I did MYSELF.

Again I already told a couple people in DETAIL what I though it was so that is real witnesses on my side, my problem is this arse is taking credit for ALL MY WORK.

My TIME is MONEY, and by him taking credit, he's taking my time and money PERIOD.

That's unprofessional and the lowest thing I've seen anyone do in years.

But either way the exact mechanics are still unknown to anyone, let alone someone who did 2 weeks of sloppy work full of holes, but time will tell what it is and since I already published what I think it is, if it's right then all my time will be worth it.

I still think it's a beautiful sight so I'm going to go whenever I can but not nearly as much.

I haven't been viewing it much for a couple months as it's hard for me to SIT in the freezing cold in my car with bad headaches and neck pain, when I know it's just a natural phenomenon, wasn't worth it since I already spent hundreds of hours on it already.

I just hope I get there on a good night when it's bright or maybe Handeroo can capture the light turning off when the building goes off and that will be a main piece of the puzzle on record.

I already know 100% about that, but it needs to be documented.
I only needed 1 more viewing to record it but that never worked out because of my neck problem, otherwise I would have finished this long before this Swede even came here.






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posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Sorry but it's really hard when someone rapes you of your idea's and claims them as their own. It's INFURIATING.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 09:50 PM
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Huge waste of time?
Child?
Fetal position?
Don't mess with smart people?
Man that's so funny.

Some people can't think clearly. Most criminals have problems with their minds, that's why they commit crimes.
Theft of idea's is no different as MY TIME IS MONEY and it's a crime.

All criminals think they won't get caught but don't realize,,, things go on they have no clue about.

Want an example "smart guy"?
If you're so brilliant you should have realized that if I FREELY TOLD YOU ALL MY FINDINGS, that I would have done so with others.

That stealing my findings and claiming them as your own would be a very stupid thing to do.
Those people would likely come forward.

HANDEROO already did PROVING I KNEW WHAT IT WAS BEFORE YOU SET FOOT IN MY COUNTRY.

That's just the beginning, others will do so and 1 with MORE DETAIL THAN I EVEN TOLD YOU, when they have the time showing you are a thief of my findings.

Not so smart now.....are you.



posted on Jan, 29 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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WOW!


Feeling the love in here!

I think you've both made your points, had a spectacular row and should maybe now zip it and BOTH behave like the adults you allegedly are.

Well done which ever one of you 'solved it first'. Tbh I only care that it HAS been solved.

It's a shame its a logical explanation, would have been amazing if it really was an alien craft, but it's been an interesting journey none the less.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Here's a quote from another person form Niagara who posted this somewhere on youtube proving I solved everything first, PLUS my lazing theory which luckily, you didn't choose to steal as well.

" [PaladinHludwig]
You don't know me, yet, but I have been watching the ufo lights with Shivercanada for over a year now.
All the things you are claiming are taken from Shiver. He has discussed with me the triangle effect in the sky from the 2 main lights around the building over a couple months ago. The perspective of seeing the lights and moisture/mist from the Falls and Lake are also his findings. It is even discussed in the Cogeco report that was aired on cable10 and Shiver was on that. There are many other options on the table that more than one thing could be happening here, but I won't be telling you.

You didn't discover anything new. You just took Shivercanada's information and claim it as your own. I suggest you remove your Youtube videos, it makes you look even worse.

One last thing, I don't appreciate you calling Shivercanada a liar, when you are behaving like a PARROT, mimicking the words of someone else!

PaladinHludwig (was Sebring98)"



OWNAGE
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