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"UFO" over Niagara Falls : Video

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posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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GAHH!! I get crazy giddy when I watch these videos. I've been a UFO fan for a long time, but my standards are pretty high and I've often been mislabeled as a debunker, as I usually critisize videos for being subpar or just "dots of lights which can be anything".

This, however... This, "IT", or whatever you wanna call it, is easily the biggest thing in UFOlogy since Roswell. I CANNOT stress how extremely, Extremely rare it is to have reoccurring UFO sightings.

My company's been doing great lately, especially over the christmas season, so I'm thinking I'm gonna go there and try to investigate this thing up close. Send a balloon, or 3 up there, all videotaping what they encounter. Then recover the balloons using GPS technology, like so:



Edit: Upon watching the later part of the video, where the airplain came into view, I'm sorry, but it makes me suspect this is an optical phenomenon. It might be caused by mist from the falls moving over the clouds, crystallizing and reflecting lights from the city better than normal atmospheric mist would. I kept being reminded of pillars when I saw those two "lines" of light. They reminded me of this, extremely rare (!!!) picture of the phenomenon. Even the angles sort of match this particular picture. It could even be possible that this is a 'weak' type of light pillar effect that requires the light of large parts of the city to even be visible.



The colors of the pillars shown in the picture comes from the colors of the lights on the ground, so the colors in your video could be a mix of all the colors of the city, which usually turns into a dark orange/ember type color because most cities still use light bulbs instead of fluorescent and other "non electric wire being heated" type lighting.

As for the spot that keeps on reflecting back when it's hit by the casino light, it IS within the realm of possibility that it's a mirror type effect from the light pillar phenomenon. Imagine the ice crystals (or special type of mist seeing how you Do have a waterfall there) as a huge mirror up there. When the casino lights (which are lights with a direction unlike ordinary lights which scatter in every direction) hit the mirror and you're standing at just the right angle, you'll see a flash of light. This flash of light should come at another time for another person standing a mile away.

If you took two camcorders and synchronized the clocks on them perfectly (meaning the internal clocks are exactly aligned, they're on the same time) you could figure this out. At the same time you also have an ample opportunity to calculate Where this light phenomenon is (as in, above which spot over the city).

If you record the angles and your positions you can relatively easily (I'll help) calculate that. That way you can try and see if there are any intensive lights around that area in your town.

This is the scientific method by the way. Rule out everything in order to come to a conclusion. Or do you want to be in the dark for the rest of your life on this? Because frankly, just standing there, videotaping and going "Oooh, aaaah!" isn't leading anywhere. It isn't providing any answers, just more questions. Do you want to try and answer those questions or just keep trying to convince the rest of the world "something's happening", when it's really based on guesses?
edit on 4-1-2011 by Drexon because: New theory


Edit: Here's a picture illustrating how the light pillar phenomenon works.


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posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Niagra falls UFO is back again Quality is about the same, but the man responsible for the uploads on youtube says he will be posting Nightvison of it shortly. For now here is the most recent
He is apparently filming straight up


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posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 02:42 AM
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I can definetly see a point at the top like a triangle



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Moose318
I can definetly see a point at the top like a triangle


It looks as though there are two lighter points with a more reddish coloured tip, as this is what the spotlight passes over every 4-5 seconds.

Someone should charter a helicopter or hot air balloon next time. Or maybe send up some radio controlled doodaa with camera attached.

Thanks for ressurecting this thread. I had no knoweldge of this until now!



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Drexon, glad you are doing well and want to visit the Falls. Let me know, I will show you what I can. There is a charter helicopter service in the area, and I have contacted them about night flights, cost, etc. They have not replied as of yet. But they do fly over this area, a day tour is easy. Same with a small plane. I don't have the $$ to do that. I agree that a weather phenomenon is POSSIBLE, but the one you mention, light pillars' is rare. Never mind recurring in the same area, over and over. This area it self is not super dense with population and bright lights. most of them are just in this area. When this story first broke, check the OP, people were reporting seeing an actual OBJECT. The video just does not cut it, I know. I picked up an older (analog) sony with nightshot and was able to get a better focussed shot of the flash. Will work feverishly in the next couple days to get my fingers on a converter OR if desperate, will play it on TV and record with camcorder, at the very least. I have lived around here all my life, work in town, and this just is absolutely crazy...



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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Is there any ATS members living in the Niagra area that might be able to help this gentleman film this with either military grade nightvision or an hd camera? Friends with this kind of equipment come in handy



posted on Jan, 4 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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this was just posted on youtube by another observer. The view is from the top of clifton hill, looking towards my position from just under 1 km. clearer view of an actual 'something' other than ice , mist or whatever you THINK 'IT' is.



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 03:01 AM
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hard to see, but peoples reactions is whats the best. people don't get all worked up over stuff in the sky just for nothin



posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by handeroo
Drexon, glad you are doing well and want to visit the Falls. Let me know, I will show you what I can. There is a charter helicopter service in the area, and I have contacted them about night flights, cost, etc. They have not replied as of yet. But they do fly over this area, a day tour is easy. Same with a small plane. I don't have the $$ to do that. I agree that a weather phenomenon is POSSIBLE, but the one you mention, light pillars' is rare. Never mind recurring in the same area, over and over. This area it self is not super dense with population and bright lights. most of them are just in this area. When this story first broke, check the OP, people were reporting seeing an actual OBJECT. The video just does not cut it, I know. I picked up an older (analog) sony with nightshot and was able to get a better focussed shot of the flash. Will work feverishly in the next couple days to get my fingers on a converter OR if desperate, will play it on TV and record with camcorder, at the very least. I have lived around here all my life, work in town, and this just is absolutely crazy...


It's just.. when I ask myself "If you point a powerful spotlight at an area of the sky where broken light pillars appear, what will you see?" I draw a blank. It's so rare it's never been observed, as far as I know. Niagara falls Does have some pretty unique atmospheric properties after all, what with the massive waterfall and all.

Though on the other hand, light pillars only go straight up, and some of the late 2009 videos show elongated rods shooting off in different directions, which doesn't fit at all.

Do you know how long your town has had those lights? Only the last 2 years, or the last 20 years? Give me a rough estimate, as you seem to live there.

Anyway, I still wanna try and sell you on the math thing. Apparently what you need is a "sextant". An ancient tool used to navigate boats across oceans in the old days. With a sextant you can record the angles you need to calculate above which spot in the city this phenomenon/UFO exists. If you travel about 5 miles (or kilometers) to another point in the city and do a separate recording of the angle there you can also calculate at what altitude it's at, as well as the approximate size. 'Cause it seems Huge.

I'm telling you, handeroo. This is the next step you need to take to investigate this thing, if it appears again that is. Videos, even with a "military grade night vision camera" are in the end just videos. We need data on this thing. Size? Altitude? Is it moving despite wind? Are the points where it reflects back the casino lights moving or changing shape? Is the object itself changing shapes?

And, of course, if I was there I would've had all of these answers already and I probably would've sent up my umpteenth balloon by now. I even have an idea where you send up 3-4 balloons at the same time. The balloons would be tied together with a light weight string, creating an up-side-down net. If there's an actual, physical UFO there, it'll be captured by the net, and the balloons would stay in place instead of rising and rising until they pop. Cool, huh?
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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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drexon, yes, I understand the math, trigonometry, involved in determining size and height, etc. I have determined that at certain times, the cloud ceiling height can be approx 4-5 miles...give or take, ( I live 30km away from spotlights, and under certain cloud conditions, can see the lights shining on them looking at approx 22 degrees of inclination) Feel free to correct my math. The lights themselves have moved around the area for about at least 5-6 years. I have 'toured' the area when 'IT' is there, but, usually, the viewing area is very localised, due to the cloud 'cloak' surrounding the object. On my most recent sighting, I had a friend move to an area approx 1.5 km away and he reported it was still visible straight up, and the object had a different look. the flash area had a different structure. I had wanted to wander away from my main camera, but, between waiting for people to return and being told to move on by police and 'IT' not returning, was not able to accomplish that. each viewing has a learning curve and chance to apply 'new' ideas. I will be contacting you about some of your other ideas... I have purchased a analog to digital converter for the night shot footage, but can't seem to get it to acept the camera. I will figure it out.thanks...
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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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Oh Ya, I forgot...AGAIN...Jan 4, 2011, by shivercanada



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Okay, here is the night shot video I finally was able to get posted. YES, it is not the greatest, but doing what I can with what I have.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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BACK AGAIN...shot from same location as some of the previous videos. Variable thick clouds. Comes and goes a couple of times. I did do some 'wandering' during this, but after seeing it from 1.5 km NORTH, IT went away and I simply returned to my camera location. Every tourist that walked by was shown IT, many took pictures and some came back to chat after they walked around. Brought some new observers out also. AGAIN, not the greatest cameras, but that's what I've got. Notice at the end IT suddenly disappears.

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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Kinda ridiculous how no one can provide better footage of this. It looks interesting but in the end just like all other ufo videos ever made its such low quality you cant see what it is.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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I find this case quite intriguing, so much that I decided to create an account for this...

Why don't you go a step further? I appreciate your devotion in filming it, but always posting videos won't help much. Given this is no hoax, you are in the unique situation of having repeated to access to something that might be truly groundbreaking. You should investigate in sending up a balloon with a camera attached, organizing maybe a strong spotlight to shine at IT. I know it would be quite an undertaking, also financially maybe, but you are literally the dream situation of anyone who has a some kind of interest in the whole ufo phenomenon, sceptic or not. That thing is showing up repeatedly, I'm sure theres more people in your vicinity who would have some interest in finding out more and helping you out. You might debunk the whole thing as a silly weather phenomenon, then you needn't bother anymore with it, or you have the chance to find a lot more maybe...

Also, maybe you should try photographing the thing with a camera and experiment with different exposure time settings, might give some more hints on the form of the thing

I am absolutely no scientist in these regards, but one thing that occured to me is that this thing, always appearing in the same spot right above the niagara falls; couldn't it be some weather phenomenon involving maybe spray particles from the falls which rise into the atmosphere directly above, and lead to some electrical discharges or anything? Just an idea, I'm sure meteorologists would know more about this, and they will probably be aware of IT up there by now. Maybe drive to them on a free day and have a chat?

I know, writing is a lot easier than doing it in the end. But just be aware of the fact that you are in a very privileged situation living up there...


Edit
Just noticed that some of my points were already discussed... do you have some sort of timeline of the sightings?
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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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hmmmmmm

weird indeed but i am not leaning to the direction of "it" being a UFO




posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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handeroo> Thank you! I'm actually convinced this ISN'T a weather phenomenon now. The way that thing just disappeared proves it.

Add me on MSN. hembakat@hotmail.com. Or if you don't have MSN, send me an e-mail with what chat program you DO have. I'm seriously thinking of coming there and spending My money on equipment that can get a closer look at this. I can't believe this hasn't gotten more attention!



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Just to ensure there is clarification and debunk the balloon rides idea, this is an excerpt from their Ballooning Policy:




WEATHER We must have winds of 10 mph or less to safely fly. This is why we fly at the sunrise and sunset time frame. Thunderstorms are very dangerous and can kick out extremely strong winds up to 75 miles away. We do not fly if there are thunderstorms in Western N.Y. Even light rain showers can 'kick up' the winds. Safety is our #1 consideration! Passengers will call approximately 2 hours before their scheduled flight to get the weather update and pilot's decision to fly or not fly. Flights are canceled with everyone's safety in mind. (including ours!). Decisions to fly are never monetary and we have a perfect safety record. We fly May through mid October however the most dependable flying weather is June - August. Spring and fall weather can be windy and rainy and are the least dependable. October flights have a high cancellation rate (weather related) and subjected to an additional $10 per person fee.


You can read more on their policy at the following link: www.balloonsoverletchworth.com...

Moreover, the video was uploaded October 24, 2009 (more than mid-October). The sky was pitch black, there were clouds in the sky, and from the ground perspective it also sounded a little windy. Hence, I doubt it was a balloon ride...you can't see sh** from a balloon ride in the dark

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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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I normally don't trust videos when about UFO's but this one seems a little dofrent



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Can anyone locate the video shivercanada posted which had a light that "blinked out" (turned off) just like in the above handeroo video?



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