AP Headline from 2004? "Kenyan-born Obama"

reply to post by rnaa


Actually I wouldn't kid yourself on this. If it is proven Obama deliberately falsified his eligibility for office it would be not just an impeachable offense but TREASON.

He may in fact turn out to be the first President to be executed for treason since after all treason is a capital crime.

I myself am against the death penalty but there is no telling just how enraged a deliberately bankrupted nation might be when the truth of what has transpired comes out.

Tis a fine web we weave when at first we practice to decieve.

Of course the help he has had along away to commit such high crimes would mean some extremely powerful individuals will be thinking "Dead men tell no tales".

He is fighting having to reveal his birth certificate like his very life depends upon it and chance are it does.



[edit on 19/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by rnaa

 

Actually I wouldn't kid yourself on this. If it is proven Obama deliberately falsified his eligibility for office it would be not just an impeachable offense but TREASON.

He may in fact turn out to be the first President to be executed for treason since after all treason is a capital crime.

That is just stupid.

It is not Treason. Treason is defined in the Constitution, and that isn't it.

Explanation of Treason here.

For someone so adamant that you know that Obama is violating the Constitution, you sure don't know much about it, do you?

reply to post by rnaa


Of course it would be treason. What would you think it would be if a foreign born non citizen, with ties to radical criminal terrorist organizations, who had illegally gotten his hands on the nation's check book and arsenal? A misdemeanor?

If you actually had any idea the sinister plans that the powers that be have for this President and just why they selected him you would not take this lackadaisical attitude to such serious and grave discrepancies.

You live in Kansas though, even though you imagine you live in Oz.

Oh well, all's the pity. Obama made his choices like all of us he has to live with him.

You don't think the man is spending millions of dollars hiring dozens of lawyers on some point of false pride do you?

Nobody is that arrogant. No my friend, he knows it's the gallows pole should he be caught. He wouldn't be the first President, King or Queen or Emperor sentenced to death for treason against the nation he claimed to serve.

We hung the Rosenbergs for giving away atomic secrets to the Soviets friend. Chances are both Obamas would be tried for treason if it were established she too knew he was not a natuaral born citizen.

After all this is a man signing away trillions of dollars in give aways to the world's wealthiest people, and signing things like the Patriot and FISA acts which attempt to make lawful spying on U.S. Citizens and abusing their constitutional rights. Clearly the man is trying to establish a national socialist totalitarian government in his rush to nationalize everything and give the nation's money to the banks and corporate oligarchs.

I know you live in Australia and have some sentimental attachment to the President but do you even have a clue as to what's really going on here?

It amazes me so many people are so naive to think these things are all innocent every day occurrences.

What is taking place right here in the United States surrounding this illegitimate administration is the greatest conspiracy of all time.

Critical thinkers know this to be the case.



[edit on 20/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Wow, now that's good crazy!

Just go down to the SSI office, tell them that, they will cut you a check.

I think your right rnaa, I don't think that I could shut up Orly Taitz, I think that all we have to do is introduce ProtoplasmicTraveler here to her and THAT would shut her up.

I'm surprised it the page hasn't been taken down yet...

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


You see, Protoplasmic, when you argue that Obama is a bad president by bring up his policy decisions, I can agree that you have an argument. I may not agree with you, but you have a valid argument.

Far much better then believing that he's born in Kenya, Indonesia, Ghana, or Mars.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Wow, now that's good crazy!

Just go down to the SSI office, tell them that, they will cut you a check.

I think your right rnaa, I don't think that I could shut up Orly Taitz, I think that all we have to do is introduce ProtoplasmicTraveler here to her and THAT would shut her up.

Well you know friend treason is a very serious thing, and while this might seem to be the same old, same old political dog and pony show to you, maybe even one you are just now taking interest in and learning to play how the divided masses normally do…

Times are anything normal. Extraordinary once in a lifetime, once in a century, once in a millennium, once in an age events are taking place at a rapid pace that most people are distracted from and can not make rational sense of because you all do want to treat it as if its just the same old, same old, political dog and pony show.

On every show a curtain must eventually fall.

It amazes me that so many people imagine Obama is hiding this document out of some sense of false pride or vanity.

No one spends that kind of money and lets that kind of controversy linger if they can help it.

When you are running an operative like Obama you always have to have a carrot (here is a Nobel Peace Prize for ratcheting up that war in Afghanistan) and a stick (now remember Orly isn’t going to go away, mind your p’s and q’s).

Yes my friend this is an intricate part of the greatest conspiracy ever hatched, the mother of all conspiracies and you should brace yourself because the Powers that Be will end up eventually revealing this document and turning the nation on it’s heels and dividing it in the process in a way that will forever end life as any of us know it.

Most people don’t understand how the Powers that Be operate, there are no coincidences. This issue exists for a reason, and that reason will absolutely be exploited. Obama is way out of his league on this; he is really just a patsy a dupe. It’s easy to sucker people with that kind of narcissistic vanity.

Hey the good news is, at least someone is kind enough to prepare you for the shock of all these things when they do come to pass and trust me they will come to pass.

Wow, 327 flags. This only proves one thing. You people care so much about President Obama

Hi!

***IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN!***

Obama IS a Natural Born US Citizen, because one of his parents (his mother) was a US Citizen at the time of his birth.

The above is one of the two ways that you have Natural Born Citizen status in the US.

The OTHER way to have Natural BOrn Citizen Status in the US is to have been born on American soil.

So, Obama is elligible to be President of the United States, because of his mother's status. The fact that he was born in Hawaii is irrelevant, and, in fact, he could have been born on Mars and still be a Natural Born US Citizen.

In case you are wondering further, it does not matter if his father was a Kenyan Citizen, an Indonesian Citizen, or a dual-citizen of two other countries.

If ONE of your two biological parents is a US Citizen at the time of your birth, you are legally a Natural Born Citizen, regardless of any other factor.

cliff
Nairobi
PS-I learned it wrong in grade school also...I was taught you had to be born in the US, only. You may have been taught wrong in school, like I was.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Yes my friend this is an intricate part of the greatest conspiracy ever hatched, the mother of all conspiracies and you should brace yourself because the Powers that Be will end up eventually revealing this document and turning the nation on it’s heels and dividing it in the process in a way that will forever end life as any of us know it.

Most people don’t understand how the Powers that Be operate, there are no coincidences. This issue exists for a reason, and that reason will absolutely be exploited. Obama is way out of his league on this; he is really just a patsy a dupe. It’s easy to sucker people with that kind of narcissistic vanity.

Hey the good news is, at least someone is kind enough to prepare you for the shock of all these things when they do come to pass and trust me they will come to pass.

You've hit it on the head PT. There are no coincidences, the game is fixed, the trophy too precious. This controversy was planted and has been dangled in front of us for over a year now. Obama's been to Hawaii twice since that we know of. This is there for a reason and the reason is polarization. This controversy is impossible to believe for some and impossible to ignore for others.

I ask that you all recall what your opinions of the presidency were prior to Nixon. Did you mostly and yes even naively respect the long line of figures in the history books? Were you comfortable and confident that we lived in a land of justice, integrity and caring? Were you at all incredulous when the deceptions and manipulations of the office were slowly brought into the light? Was Kennedy everything you thought him to be? Was Nixon encouraged along his paranoid route? Did the personal flaws of Clinton and Bush keep them in check? President’s were human after all but were these men the best of us? How many truly honorable and bright men were left in the dust by these clowns? And for the most part a majority of us always backed the elected clown. That wasn’t enough for the controllers. They overturned an election right before our eyes and went on to strip us of our freedoms with the winner and our financial futures with both the winner and the loser. With all of the possible conservative candidates McCain was a surefire loser to the wunderkind. Didn’t you think that all along? Obama’s shortcomings were well hidden, glossed over and if uncovered defended with wolf pack determination. Even by McCain himself. Things that make you go hmmmmm indeed. McCain on the other hand was undressed in every way possible. He was half-naked to start.

None of this makes you question whether we’ve been hand fed all along? We are not so different. We all want security. We all want opportunity. We all want others to have good health and fulfilled lives. We all want to leave this place better for our children. Have I said anything untrue? I’m stressing WE because I’m not so certain that anything less than a majority of us can stop this runaway train. The controllers know this and that’s why the polarizing issues are left hanging.

What is the harm in questioning? How much effort can producing items such as a birth certificate and college transcripts be for a man that globetrots weekly? Forthright answers can only instill greater confidence in everyone. Stonewalling does the opposite. They have so much disdain for all of us that they blatantly advertise they control the media. That this administration is stopping at this critical time (regarding many issues) to hammer Fox, the only TV outlet shining a light on his radical appointments, speaks volumes to me. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

How much more could Obama accomplish with more believers behind him? On the other hand if there’s real treachery here he should be chased from office like Nixon.

reply to post by Hemisphere


A brilliant editorial friend and sage observations through and through, I hope everyone takes the time to read them with an open mind.

Our leaders are clearly selected to appeal to us emotionally and not intellectually and so many sage and common sense arguments and contentions are dismissed out of hand for emotional not intellectual reasons.

They try to put emotional wise into each one of our leaders and their public persona something that will ring true in us emotionally.

Obama managed to capture the outrage and frustration and fear of a nation and assuage and soothe that even as he shaped it and directed it and usurped it with a ubiquitous and vague promise of hope and change.

It though is only his emotional appeal especially to his most ardent supporters that manages to blind them to the fact that nothing has changed and what little hope (things like Universal Health Care) are false hopes being manipulated to simply nationalize more private industry and tax citizens more heavily and provide them as always with fewer choices and less quality not more.

The Powers that Be know that most of us are inclined to think with our hearts and not with our brains and they tailor their messages and extol and extort us constantly along those lines knowing our emotional hot buttons and skillfully pressing them with a convenient outlet for our emotions in the direction that they wish to manipulate the masses towards.

Amazingly Americans have become so prone to think with their emotions and to use emotional circular logic and political correctness as a substitute for common sense and reasoning they actually rationalize in obscene ways the export of all the manufacturing jobs that create wealth for a nation. The replacement of poorly inspected and poorly made cheap imported foreign goods. The mounting unemployment, the decreasing wages, the huge bailouts to the world’s wealthiest entities at the citizens expense, the nationalization of our few remaining industries and the ever broadening foreign wars of aggression as all being justifiable things based on cleverly coined words, phrases and slogans designed to appeal to and manipulate their emotions. They only require those entreaties come from someone who they can emotionally identify with and it is only an emotional identification as most citizens would be in shock if they actually understood the intellectual intricacies and true rationale of why they are so ardently asked to rationalize and accept the irrational.

There truly are no coincidences and this controversy does not exist by accident regarding the Birth Certificate issue.

Like so many other truly senseless things, and it is truly senseless why Obama will not reveal and display this information they of their own volition for purely emotional reasons attempt to rationalize and make sense out of the irrational and senseless of their own volition all the while imagining that there must be some rational explanation for it and while perhaps there attempt to rationalize it does not make sense that it makes sense to believe there is a rational and innocent reason for such occurrences.

There of course is not and that is why the nation has continued to spiral steadily into morass and decline over the last several decades. One would have to be thinking highly emotionally indeed to see the current occupant of the White House who has already broken nearly every campaign promise he has made and given away more tax payer money on worthless causes and growing the government in worthless and intrusive and unconstitutional ways than his predecessor did in 8 years and his predecessor did in 8 years.

Still people cling to their emotions, their false sense of identification with someone who if they were to know the real man, the real President when he wasn’t wearing his actor’s mask they would be shocked. The man who has broken all his promises, the man who is bankrupting their nation not just financially but morally, the man who is socializing it, the man who is lying to them and growing rich all the while doing it.

People have forgotten it’s a responsibility to be a citizen in a democracy. The Greeks who invented the word democracy and the concept contended for democracy to work everyone must constantly speak up and speak out to what concerns them and their wants and needs. Today the trend is to silence any voice of dissent and many a pseudo intellectual will counter we are not a democracy we are a Republic. A republic nonetheless founded on democratic values and principals that are being eradicated as steadily as a heavy falling rain. Eradicated for purely emotional reasons based on individual pride, vanity and arrogance and a never ending desire to be right, and be associated with the winners, even when they are wrong and the winners are not only losers but causing them to loose.

Andrew Jackson in his day would have displayed his Birth Certificate in the White House Lobby back in the day when it was still the people’s house and all were welcome to stop by. He would have made the effort to the honorable thing and after having done the honorable thing anyone who still questioned it he would have no doubt challenged them to a dual of honor.

Honor is dead, and soon will be the Union if Americans don’t start taking responsibility as citizens again and stop letting a ever growing, ever intrusive, ever increasingly unconstitutional government usurp their individual sovereignty and enslave them under debilitating excessive taxation and laws that legislate every last thought, word and action.

In the end the people will get what they deserve, what they need, and perhaps they need the heavy hand of a totalitarian police state to remind them of the sweetness of the freedoms they so foolishly and emotionally gave away.

Obama is hiding something that’s for sure and the end result of that can only be bad.

Originally posted by Hemisphere

I ask that you all recall what your opinions of the presidency were prior to Nixon. Did you mostly and yes even naively respect the long line of figures in the history books? Were you comfortable and confident that we lived in a land of justice, integrity and caring? Were you at all incredulous when the deceptions and manipulations of the office were slowly brought into the light? Was Kennedy everything you thought him to be? Was Nixon encouraged along his paranoid route? Did the personal flaws of Clinton and Bush keep them in check? President’s were human after all but were these men the best of us? How many truly honorable and bright men were left in the dust by these clowns? And for the most part a majority of us always backed the elected clown.

A star especially for this section of your post.

It made me think back to the time when it was just as you said where we assumed (I know ...) that these elected leaders were the best and the brightest AND had our best interests at heart.

We've had good and bad presidents in the past, but it always seemed a good one would follow a bad one and kind of put things right again. But starting with Kennedy, it seems that it's been a slow, but inexorable slide downward in the quality of the people serving as president - with no one coming along to reverse the trend.

Many desperate and naive people had hoped that obama would be the one to reverse the trend, but just a few months in office show that the downward slide is still going on, if not accelerating.

Originally posted by centurion1211

It made me think back to the time when it was just as you said where we assumed (I know ...) that these elected leaders were the best and the brightest AND had our best interests at heart.

We've had good and bad presidents in the past, but it always seemed a good one would follow a bad one and kind of put things right again. But starting with Kennedy, it seems that it's been a slow, but inexorable slide downward in the quality of the people serving as president - with no one coming along to reverse the trend.

Many desperate and naive people had hoped that obama would be the one to reverse the trend, but just a few months in office show that the downward slide is still going on, if not accelerating.

Thank you for your response Centurion. It's reassuring that I'm not alone in my recollection of the way things were.

An 'inexorable slide" is precisely what we lived through and continue living through. I think the entirety of this experience is what is missing with many people's assessment of Obama. In other words we've lived long enough to know what is missing, we were there from the start. Not that everything was good but there was a commitment to "continuous improvement" by our government and representatives. And if that was lacking as you've stated " a good one would follow a bad one and kind of put things right again." That was our doing it wasn't chance. We responded to bad government and the government answered to the people. I clearly remember the national shame of Nixon and when he resigned how the entire country felt better, not only those that voted against him. It was our country at it’s best.

I was not one of those who thought Obama was the right man for the country. He is not alone in my skeptical assessment, just the latest and potentially most damaging in a long line of wrong men. John Glenn was the last man I voted for president that I thought was deserving. It's been a long time. I remain hopeful, this thread is evidence that people are thinking and engaged. We have differing thoughts and we’re expressing them and listening as well. This can only be a good thing.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Hemisphere

I ask that you all recall what your opinions of the presidency were prior to Nixon. Did you mostly and yes even naively respect the long line of figures in the history books? Were you comfortable and confident that we lived in a land of justice, integrity and caring? Were you at all incredulous when the deceptions and manipulations of the office were slowly brought into the light? Was Kennedy everything you thought him to be? Was Nixon encouraged along his paranoid route? Did the personal flaws of Clinton and Bush keep them in check? President’s were human after all but were these men the best of us? How many truly honorable and bright men were left in the dust by these clowns? And for the most part a majority of us always backed the elected clown.

A star especially for this section of your post.

It made me think back to the time when it was just as you said where we assumed (I know ...) that these elected leaders were the best and the brightest AND had our best interests at heart.

We've had good and bad presidents in the past, but it always seemed a good one would follow a bad one and kind of put things right again. But starting with Kennedy, it seems that it's been a slow, but inexorable slide downward in the quality of the people serving as president - with no one coming along to reverse the trend.

Many desperate and naive people had hoped that Obama would be the one to reverse the trend, but just a few months in office show that the downward slide is still going on, if not accelerating.

What do you consider the best and the brightest? What criteria must you have?

I would love to know how you test to see if a politician is the best and the brightest.

Just because something was published doesn't make it fact....... I think it's pretty bizarre how many people are a part of the birther movement despite how much overwhelming evidence there is against it.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by rnaa

 

Of course it would be treason. What would you think it would be if a foreign born non citizen, with ties to radical criminal terrorist organizations, who had illegally gotten his hands on the nation's check book and arsenal? A misdemeanor?

No, it is certainly not a misdemeanor, but it is NOT treason. If your hypothetical situation occurred though, I am sure there would be lots of very serious crimes along the way that the perpetrator could be convicted of. Fortunately for us all, your scenario is only hypothetical.

Did you read the link I provided? It explained why it is not. Treason has a very narrow definition in the Constitution, precisely to keep you from being charged with treason for making incendiary comments like you enjoy doing.

Back then you could be charged with treason for looking cross-eyed at the King. That is why the Founding Fathers were very careful to define treason the way they did.

The Rosenbergs were charged with espionage, not treason; again you obviously didn't read the link because it tells you so.

Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution specifically because it is so heinous, and they wanted to ensure that it was consistent.

You should be really careful about falsely accusing people of Treason. I know your remarks are just bluster, but false accusations are not covered by the Free Speech provision of the Constitution, they are defamation and libel.



[edit on 21/10/2009 by rnaa]

reply to post by rnaa

You should be really careful about falsely accusing people of Treason. I know your remarks are just bluster, but false accusations are not covered by the Free Speech provision of the Constitution, they are defamation and libel.

Good idea. Because then the plaintiff in a defamation or libel case would have to prove that false accusations were made and that the defendant was negligent. The only way to prove that these were false allegations would be to show the original, untampered with, forensically checked long form bith certificate. I think you are on to something there....lol

Originally posted by oneclickaway

Good idea. Because then the plaintiff in a defamation or libel case would have to prove that false accusations were made and that the defendant was negligent. The only way to prove that these were false allegations would be to show the original, untampered with, forensically checked long form bith certificate. I think you are on to something there....lol

No, he wouldn't. The "false accusations" are of treason. Whether or not the birth certificate is real or forged or non-existent, is irrelevant, it just isn't treason. It might be electoral fraud or perjury if false affidavits were sworn, but it isn't treason.

The sole reason for raising the treason accusation is to defame. The Birth Certificate is irrelevant to the defamation.

[edit on 21/10/2009 by rnaa]

reply to post by Mak Manto


Mak, the "best and the brightest" was a catch phrase that was sprinkled on men of achievement by the MSM at the time we are referencing, the late 50's and early 60's. If you Google that phrase you will find a Wikipedia entry of a book by David Halberstam from 1972 and the description for the book is very consistent with what I've just said. Interestingly, I currently would have guessed that the title was referencing how the country's young men were wasted, used as cannon fodder in Vietnam. But when I consider the publishing date it makes sense. The title was a description of those in John F. Kennedy's administration. Perceptions and sensitivities change with time.

It was a catch phrase that became popular around that time, most of us bought into it, the assumption that the best and brightest candidates were migrating toward representing the country. We were being hand fed to an extent. That said I would think we all continue to vote for the "best and brightest" to the best of our knowledge. I doubt your criteria differs by much from that of Centurion and so why the interest?

Not for nothin' but to my mind the "worst and dimmest" has no pizazz.

reply to post by Hemisphere

Then Obama was a good choice.

Graduating from Columbia and Harvard.
President of the Harvard Law Review.
Professor at the University of Chicago.

Seems like a bright man.