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Even Nancy Pelosi once commented publicly shortly after his Senate election what a shame it was that he couldn’t run for President because he was foreign born.
Originally posted by jimmyx
also no byline..who wrote it? and it doesn't even give the AP byline, who wrote it for AP?
Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Where would anybody come up with the idea that he was born in Kenya, unless he told then that????????
And I assume that you'd like to see a lot more 'Ghanas' in Africa. And part of your policy would be, I assume, to encourage that.
Well, part of it is lifting up successful models. And so, by traveling to Ghana, we hope to highlight the effective governance that they have in place.
I don't think that we can expect that every country is going to undergo these transitions in the same way at the same time. But we have seen progress in democracy and transparency and rule of law, in the protection of property rights, in anti-corruption efforts. We have seen progress over the last several years; in some cases, though, we're also seeing some backsliding. In my father's own country of Kenya, I'm concerned about how the political parties do not seem to be moving into a permanent reconciliation that would allow the country to move forward. And Kenya is not alone in some of the problems that we've seen of late, post-election or pre-election.
And we just want to make sure that people are mindful that this isn't just some abstract notion that we're trying to impose on Africa. There is a very practical, pragmatic consequence to political instability and corruption when it comes to whether people can feed their families, educate their children, and we think that Africa - the African continent is a place of extraordinary promise as well as challenges. We're not going to be able to fulfill those promises unless we see better governance.
Originally posted by LeelaSavage
reply to post by Stormdancer777
I listened to your audio clip several times and didn't hear the words, "Kenyan-Born," at all. What I did hear very clearly at ~0.45 into the clip was "...a person of African heritage..."
Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenya's Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya. "Town Hall Forum: An Examination of Race, Age, Gender & Religion in the 2008 Election," Harvard Law School Reunions, Oct. 25, 2008, 9:15 a.m. (Austin Hall, 1st Floor, West), at 60:17 mark.
I think it's important to remember that this clip is from 2008. By that time, most academics in support of Obama would have been very sensitive to the fact that Obama would need to be a native-born American in order to be elected president.
One of three things can be inferred from that supposition. One, they still believed he was Kenyan-born but deferred to the accepted pro-Obama position that he was a native-born American; two, they believed he was native-born after he stated that he was and referred to his birth as American: or, three, neither of those things were ever an issue for them, they were simply using a nation-wide meme when referring to Obama all along, were sensitized to the way that meme was perceived by Americans from media coverage and, therefore, were careful never again to use it when referring to Obama.
I am still baffled by the audio blurb's quote, "(Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth)." Where did that come from? Was it from the person who uploaded the audio clip, the historian, Olara Otunnu himself, or someone altogether different?
...curiouser and curiouser.
Originally posted by Purge
I smell despiration.
Trust, but verify - your life could depend on it.
For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his father's birth.
For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.
Originally posted by grover
reply to post by centurion1211
I am not advocating censoring anything I am just objecting to that bold yellow headline on every page...it might as well be flashing.
Nor am I afraid of anything...the blithers have a track record of zilch when it comes to crediblity and a huge track record of fraud and guliblity.
Even if true all you will get is President Biden.
Originally posted by bl4ke360
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Scooby Doo
And this proves what? Its another personal assumption from another author of another newspaper.
What would have prompted the author to say Obama was born in Kenya? Are you saying he just "assumed" he was from Kenya for no reason as he wrote that article? Wouldn't he have gotten the facts straight before it was finalized?
[edit on 10/15/2009 by bl4ke360]
Originally posted by digitus impudicus
Is she dead? I'm curious.
Originally posted by neformore
Not going to comment on Obama's legitimacy. I'm just going to offer the following observation.
Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon on this one something to bear in mind.
The article proves the writer thought Obama was born in Kenya.
That is ALL it proves.
Whether he wrote and filed it through AP or not, its only his assumption, made at the time of writing.