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Originally posted by Jinni
What I don't understand is that if Islam is such a terrible [insert metaphor here] religion then why is the fastest growing religion in the world? Men AND women around the world are turning to the Islamic religion from other faiths, mosques are full on Friday which is unlike the attendance that Christianity receives during Sunday. 'Mohammed' is the world's most popular name and the Koran is the most sold book. One could attribute it to births [some may think they like to have many kids] but I am seeing many many converts too. If Islam had such flawed principles then I doubt it would be where it is today.
Originally posted by Udo Hohnekamp Lux.
Jinni (the devil), you have answered to my post, but you have not read it.
When Islam threatens its adherents by death penalty for apostasy (giving up
one´s own faith and/or converting to another), they can only increase the
number of their followers.
Every believing non-Muslim girl, when marrying an unbelieving Muslim, has
to convert to Islam. Unbelieving Muslim girls are generally not allowed by
their families to marry believing non-Muslim Westerners.
So we are talking here of foul play, intolerance and violation of human rights.
Here again, this time hopefully clickable, the "Fitna" video :
But they are being forced to wear them, through intimidation and harassment.
While many are happy to wear them, it forces those who do not want them to comply, so the only answer is to completely ban them all together. The headscarves are just another way of forcing subservience.
Ban them because they are symbols of oppression.
Free the women, and end the attempt to conquer through the womb.
The muslims must be the most sexually oppressed and frustrated population of people on this planet. Sex is an important human function, of course, (I'm mean really. Are the men so sexually out of control they fear they might rape any woman they see without all that garb on?) Are they that terrified of becoming sexually aroused? And if they do, they blame the women for it?
If you bothered to read what other posters are reporting, now European women in their own countries are being forced to wear the head scarves when they go through certain neighborhoods, and that is straight up wrong.
Another poster from Belgium, if I remember right, posted on another thread how when Muslims become the majority in a school the boys start harassing all girls who do not conform and start wearing headscarves.
If you do not see how completely wrong this is, then you are without a moral compass. You have no understanding of right and wrong. Somehow, you lost it.
Ban headscarves and burqas everywhere. Ban them in the airports, ban them everywhere.
You don't understand how I see it. You don't have a clue.
How many Muslim women do I know? About as many as I know trees. I see them all the time, but we do not have conversations.
It has been my experience that women like to be pretty. They spend all that money on clothes and shoes, because they want to look good.
Just like many men, many women crave attention. They want to be seen as beautiful, interesting, and intelligent. This is kind of hard to do in a burka.
Maybe Muslim women are different than all other women, but I doubt it.
Here is a clue, you don't have to put a star on their sleeves, when they are wearing a burqa. The BURqA is one giant label, I am so repressed I can not show my face in public. My husband is my master. If I go outside I must be in a traveling prison.
It disgusts me. Am I not allowed to have a right to my own opinion?
In my own country?
I am not trying to tell people how to live in their own countries, but I think I have a right to defend my own culture in my own country.
Oppression of women is not acceptable in the Western world, IT IS WRONG. The way to stop it would be to first ban the burqa and the headscarves.
Just couldn't keep yourself from racially attacking white people, could you? Had to come back and edit in a racial comment. I know far more about you than you know about me.
Conquest by the womb is exactly what Muslims are trying to do.
What you don't like is revelation of the truth.
But I don't think the correlation between the way muslim women and christian women are treated is a just parellel.
I am almost phobic when it comes to anything threatening my freedom, or trying to control me.
Originally posted by Solidus Green eye
We'll I'll give the man one thing.
He's brave, because his precursor 'Pim Fortuyn' got shot in the head.
And another visionary 'Theo van Gogh' got stabbed to death and shot in the head for making a movie about the islam and their beliefs.
Sick isn't it.
I think I was about nine years old when I made a promise to myself that I would always control my own decisions.
So far, I've kept that promise.
It's a very, very complicated situation. I don't pretend to know what the answer is. I just hope it's not continued war and terrorism.
The solution (to a problem that isn't really being defined here) is not to ban Muslim styles of dress
You support treating an entire group of people (which incidentally can't really be treated as one group due to the fact that they are not any more "all the same" than any other group of people on this planet) as criminals - potential criminals - and baby making conquistadors
What does this have to do with anything? You want to ban these clothes because you can't see all the pretty girls? That will no doubt make you angry - but then we're even.
Ban the Koran? Ban their clothing? What else? Would you like to discuss forced sterilization? Deportation? What - what comes next?
Crime - is that all you're afraid of? There's crime all over - we don't need to rely on demonizing the Muslims in Europe - we have the Mexicans here in the states.
Is the only way you can enjoy and defend your own culture made possible by destroying the cultures of others? And before you bring up slavery again - I'm going to ask you - how many Muslim women do you actually know?
You talk about them as if they're cattle. :-)
Should they stop being Muslim as well?
Because I find the whole concept of attacking an entire people's right to reproduce morally reprehensible?