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Topic started on 8-10-2009 @ 06:18 PM by the siren

I just got this email regarding a speech that Geert Wilders, a Dutch atheist politician gave in the USA.

In the speech he basically whines about how "Islamized" Europe is becoming.
You can read the full speech online here

Here are some...for lack of a better word..."highlights"...

Many neighbourhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

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The Quran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism. The Quran calls for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, to terrorize non-Muslims and to fulfill their duty to wage war: violent jihad. Jihad is a duty for every Muslim, Islam is to rule the world – by the sword.

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Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time.

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Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

He also commissioned a movie called Fitna which apparently is an extension of this speech. Because of this movie, he claims the Taliban threatened to organize additional attacks against Dutch troops in Afghanistan, and a website linked to Al Qaeda published the message that he ought to be killed.

I see a year later he is still whining...

our streets in some places are increasingly looking like Mecca and Tehran. Scarves, hate-beards, burkas, men in long weird white frocks. Let us do something about that. Let us start to reconquer our streets, and ensure that the Netherlands will look like the Netherlands again

source: www.geertwilders.nl...

What amazes me is some people refer to this guy as a freedom fighter, yet he wants to ban an entire religion...

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:33 PM by Donnie Darko

I'm not a fan of Islam or the Koran in the least, but banning a whole religion!? That's ridiculous.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:42 PM by fraterormus

Just like the Christian Bible passages can be used for convey a peaceful message or a message of violence, hate, and intolerance, so can the Qu'ran.

And it's not just the Abrahamic religious texts that are that way.

So, what do we do then? Ban all Religions that have Religious Texts with content that any minority disagrees with?

Not all Muslims are violent extremists that adhere to strict and literal sharia, commit pedophilia, and polygamy. Those are the rare exceptions to the rule, just as those kind of extremists are exceptions to the rule amongst Christians.

If we don't allow Freedom of Religion (or lack thereof) and the Wall of Separation to stand for ALL Religions, even if we don't agree with them, then what use is our Constitution? Constitutional Rights were never meant to be conditional or provisional. They were absolutes and unalienable. As such, any true Patriot of Democracy or our Constitution should be outright against the banning of any Religion.

I think people like this, suggesting the banning of any Religious Belief other than their own are no better than the extremists they are hating and speaking out against.

Boo be unto Geert Wilders! Your intolerance gives Atheists a bad name! (Who are equally protected under Freedom of Religion, I may add!)

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reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:45 PM by RenDMC

I'm with him, then after Islam is banned, ban all other religions. Maye then we'll stop fighting and get some friggin space exploration done.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:46 PM by the siren

@Donnie Darko - Yip

@fraterormus
Yes, I'm thinking that if by some freak chance he gets his way, he'll start campaigning against other religions too because as you say religious texts can be used for both good and evil depending on the wielder.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:47 PM by sr_robert1

reply to post by the siren

True it's not right to try and ban an entire religion or their government verified holy books, but at the same time...whining? Sounds to me like you're whining about him whing about islam. Wow, now you've got me whining about you whining about him whining about islam.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:48 PM by the siren

Originally posted by RenDMC
I'm with him, then after Islam is banned, ban all other religions. Maye then we'll stop fighting and get some friggin space exploration done.

Like bombing the moon? we can't even explore space peacefully!

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:49 PM by the siren

Originally posted by sr_robert1
reply to post by the siren

True it's not right to try and ban an entire religion or their government verified holy books, but at the same time...whining? Sounds to me like you're whining about him whing about islam. Wow, now you've got me whining about you whining about him whining about islam.

It's a vicious cycle isn't it.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:58 PM by 943002

reply to post by the siren

Nobody is bombing the moon. Geert is not whining, he is stating his opinion on what many perceive to be a problem. What you are doing is the same thing many politicians did before World War 2, ignorant appeasement. Perhaps if people had listened to those giving warnings on the path Germany looked to be embarking on-- Nazism (National Socialism), we might have more Jewish friends. Do you have a problem with maintaining a national identity? Because the way things are going, the only national identity in the Netherlands will be Arab, and the only religion that will be openly tolerated will be Islam. I am not making things up, I am basing my assertions on Birth Rate statistics. The Dutch will be outbred by Muslims, as will Britons, and many other Europeans over the next 80 years. Geert is a visionary, (In the same way a well sighted, vigilant driver approaching a stop sign is) Just because you don't see the stop sign, doesn't mean its not there, or that others may not be able to see it. Geert is right.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:58 PM by Solidus Green eye

Hi Guys,

I'm from the Netherlands. And we've seen this guy alot in the news here.
I know he's a bit over the top about banning a whole religion.
And he's saying alot of provocative things about muslims. Its all for the media attention for him. Here in the Netherlands he was trying to make people pay tax money for wearing a headscarf

The point is, he is making people THINK. Especially in the down-to-earthy Netherlands. Were everybody thinks: Ooh no worry's , the government will do the thinking for us. Just vote for the guy who puts up the best act.

There are now area's, infested with muslims who's childeren don't go to school. Carry guns, don't speak dutch and live on health care.
The police can't even go to some neighborhoods.

In the Netherlands we give pride to our freedom of speech. Geert Wilders is pointing out that it has disappeared into nothingness. Since you can't walk safely on the streets at night now, and you can't say what you like and don't like. Because some irritated aggressive muslim will bust you head in for saying you don't like the quran. Believe me it happens, and I've seen in happen.

So, I'm not saying he's right, he sure ain't right about a lot of things.
But he makes good points about loosing our fundamental moral's in the this society.

Peace

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 07:06 PM by Agit8dChop

I think we need to set an ultimatum to Muslims.
You either conquer this cancer growing within your ranks, or we will ban it!

The whole ideology this man is speaking about is that Muslims are bashing non Muslims , in their own countries, because they aren’t obeying a foreign rule.

That’s not right no matter how you look at it.

There’s a major cultural war coming, the Muslims have a limited time to avoid it.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 07:15 PM by Stillalive

you are right,this is getting out of hand! either dissmiss all religions,or atleast stop this fanatical muslims,hang them all on the rope

i dont have a problem with some turkish neighboor praying to allah,hes cool
but some extremists that will try to beat meon the street for being chirstian? more like i will return with a while nazi legion and burn theyr houses
they bring chaos and death,and TALKING wont do anything
our governments and the "nwo elite" should do something about it,instead of using them to bring chaos upon us and to devide us

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 08:21 PM by poet1b

Gert Wilder is a visionary, he see things the way they are, and Europe should start to take a much more aggressive stand against the actions of these Muslim who are attacking people for following the customs and beliefs in their own countries.

Look at the situation that has been going on in India for centuries now. Islam is like a cancerous growth that must be cut out. Round em all up, and ship them back to the respective countries, even if they have to dump them out near shore.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 08:24 PM by Emerald The Paradigm

You can't discriminate against banning one religion because then you seem bias towards it.

If you ban one, then you must ban all.

However, let's be realistic because this will never happen.

There are over 1.57 Billion Muslims in the world, and about 2.25 Billion Christians.

www.cnn.com...

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 08:29 PM by Totalstranger

reply to post by Stillalive

I agree. and its sad to see europeans starting to follow this religion.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 08:48 PM by crustas

Someone i know, a French girl, told me a that the Muslims in France have a phrase that says it all.

"We (the Muslims) are going to conquer France and Europe using our women womb as weapon", in other words we will beat you by the numbers. Its something to think about isn't it?

It's quite silent this conquer and sponsored by the french gov through the tax payers.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 09:17 PM by jatsc

I got a better idea ban all Abrahamic religions.

That would cut do most religious problems by about 95 % when was the last time you heard a Buddhist, Jainist etc having a holy war.

For those saying all the bad stuff about Islam most of it is in Christianity and Judaism also.

"The Quran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism."

Quite sure that has happened with the Bible during the early 1000's to about the 1300's

The old testament calls for people to wipe out those in Canaan.
All the stuff that happened in Egypt.

"Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time."

There is no law said that Christians can not have several marriages at the same time, many many people mentioned in the Bible did have more than one marriage at the same time.

How many leaders all over Europe have been mass murderers and are Christians.

How many Kings all over Europe have been considered warlords and are Christians.

Most things are similar in all three religions except for a few customs and people and there roles.

Lots of things have been mistranslated, translated wrong on purpose or just guessed on.

Most of the stuff people complain about with Islam is not forbidden in Judaism & Christianity its just not practiced there is a difference

How about the Netherlands go back to there native religion; i'll fully support that but to support one non native religion while support another non native religion is wrong.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 09:20 PM by jatsc

Originally posted by the siren

Many neighbourhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Jews and Early Christians wore head scarves also.

Arent the teachings of Jesus kind of communism and socialist also.

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reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 09:25 PM by stevegmu

reply to post by fraterormus

The problem is, a good number of devout Muslims do follow the Koran literally, which means those who don't convert must die. Not many Christians out there committing terrorist acts in the name of Christianity.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 09:28 PM by stevegmu

reply to post by jatsc

Muslims commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam on a daily basis. Can you provide current examples of Christians committing terrorist acts on a regular basis in the name of Christianity? Or, are you saying Muslims are 1000, or so years behind the modern world?

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