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Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by Bugman82
reply to post by finemanm
Let me get this right, Israel is just an innocent pawn that just wants to be left alone? Get a life friend, we all know how it works. Israel declares an area as a militarized zone Palestinians are removed from the area via force if required, settlers move in and demolish everything, and beat the Palestinian inhabitants if they do not move on.
Originally posted by Dnevnoi
I have no problem with Israel having nuclear weapons since they know when to stop. Israel knows that when they make an operation and carry it out, that people will react negatively or someone will attack.
Iran is dangerous because the theocracy has no sense of what a limit is. They are willing to keep pushing and making statements without thinking of consequences further down the line. A Shahab-3 with a nuke is just what the Middle East, and the world doesn't need. Because a country with inflammatory remarks spewing forth from a puppet president would cause an angry retort and threat of war.
Iraq had one centrifuge to enrich Uranium to create nuclear weapons. No power stations.
Iran has thousands of centrifuges and two power stations. Seems like they're enriching Uranium for more than just power. You don't need 4000 or 8000 centrifuges to provide fuel for a few power stations. However you would for a nuclear arsenal.
Iran is home to one of the world's oldest continuous major civilizations, with historical and urban settlements dating back to 7000 BC
Israel declares an area as a militarized zone Palestinians are removed from the area via force if required, settlers move in and demolish everything, and beat the Palestinian inhabitants if they do not move on.
Originally posted by barrelmaker
State of Palestine? When did that happen?
How about a timeline of who has controlled the area?
3000 BCE- Canaanite
1250 BCE Traditional Kingdom of Isreal
720 BCE- Assyrian
530 BCE- Persian
330 BCE- Macedonian
140 BCE- Hasmonian Kingdom of Isreal
63 BCE- Roman
330 CE- Byzantine (Roman)
630 CE Arab Caliph
660 CE Umayyad (Arab/Muslim)
750 CE Abbasid (Arab/Muslim)
970 CE Fatimid (Arab/Muslim)
1100 CE Kingdom of Jerusalem (Crusader/Christian)
1270 CE Mamluk (Arab/Muslim)
1516 CE Ottoman (Turkic/Muslim)
1830 CE Egyptian (Arab/Muslim)
1840 CE Ottoman
1917 CE British
1948 CE State of Isreal
List may be a bit long, but that is pretty much a continous list for the last 5000 yrs. The "State of Palestine" was declared to be in existance in 1988 in Algeria.
For as long as mankind has scratched lines on parchment whoever can control a patch of dirt is the owner. Isreal has held and defended its partch of dirt for 50 years. Palestine has laid claim to it for 20, but only holds what is given to them. Some say they stole it, well anyone they "stole" it from would have stolen it from the previous state/empire/nation. It's theirs. You may not like it, you may not agree but it's pretty much a fact.
But don't let the facts sway you from pursuing your anti-Isreali rant.
Originally posted by finemanm
The issue with the NPT and Iran vs. Israel is that a signator of the NPT gets help from other nuclear countries to develop nuclear power in exchange for promising not to seek nuclear weapons.
It is hypocritical and a violation of the Treaty to accept foreign nuclear expertise say we want peaceful nuclear power only to turn around and use that information and know how to make weapons.
Israel has enough brilliant minds to figure out how to make nuclear power and nuclear weapons without the necessity of essentially stealing the knowledge under false pretenses. If a sovereign nation doesn't sign a treaty, its not bound by that law.
[edit on 1-10-2009 by finemanm]
Originally posted by D.E.M.
reply to post by barrelmaker
They have no right to exist as a country in the first place, so the attacks against them were entirely justified.
Originally posted by finemanm
reply to post by Donkey_Dean
Israel bulldozes Palestinian homes when they are the homes of suicide bombers that killed Israeli civilians. That's a little nasty since the guy who committed the murders is also dead, but its done as an attempt to discurage future bombers because they will know that their family will become homeless if they kill innocent civilians.