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Israel's Hidden Nuclear Weapons Factory / Video

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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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Israel's Hidden Nuclear Weapons Factory / Video


www.thepeoplesvoice.org

Israel and United States nuclear hypocrisy is clearly evident when one realizes the full extent of Israel's hidden Dimona nuclear weapons factory as well as the fact that Iran, unlike Israel, is a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and has been pushing for the removal of all weapons of mass destruction across the globe:
As the Obama administration lays the groundwork to isolate Iran economically from the rest of the world over that nation's nuclear program ~ don't forget that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has recently ordered Iran's foreign currency reserves,
(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 30/9/2009 by Mirthful Me]




posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers are moving into the West Bank, building new towns on Palestinian land. And if there's ever going to peace in the Middle East, this is one problem that has to be fixed.

And yet Obama is focused on Iran when Israel itself is not part of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

I can assure you in the next few days if they have not already they will be part of the NPT so the actions of the Obama administration And the Israeli's ,will not look hypocritical.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Here is Israel's Dimona Nuclear Weapons Factory In 3D as revealed in testimony by Mordechia Vanunu. 5 minute must see video





www.thepeoplesvoice.org
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 30/9/2009 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Starred and flagged. Its all well and dandy to pick on Iran, but its time we took care of the real threat in the Middle East first. The Samson Option is a barbaric thing to contemplate, and what Israel did to Vanunu is disgusting and an admission of guilt in and of itself.

Thankfully, after 20 years they have finally been reprimanded in the UN. While that means absolutely nothing in reality, it is still a step towards having the mad dog that is Israel disarmed.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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The more you look the more you find. lots of news articles that have no western influence .

this from the Arab news click the link for the full article.


At least Iran has publicly declared it has a new uranium enrichment facility. And it will allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to inspect it. Israel, though, has yet to make such announcements or gesture. For decades Israel has refused to confirm the now well-documented fact that it has a significant arsenal of nuclear warheads — the only country in the Middle East known to have successfully developed such a program. Estimates suggest it has as many as 200 warheads, putting every Arab state within range of a nuclear strike.


www.arabnews.com...



'No credible evidence' of Iranian nuclear weapons, says UN inspector

Mohamed ElBaradei says Iran was 'on the wrong side of the law' but rejects British intelligence claims


The UN's chief weapons inspector, Mohamed ElBaradei, said today he had seen "no credible evidence" that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, rejecting British intelligence allegations that a weapons programme has been going on for at least four years.

The claims and counter-claims came on the eve of a potentially decisive meeting in Geneva between diplomats from six world powers and an Iranian delegation about Tehran's nuclear ambitions.


www.guardian.co.uk...


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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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Yes, Israel has nukes. We know. They've had them for like half a century now.

Israel hasn't however ever announced in the General Assembly of the UN that they are looking to take over the World as the only true governors.

So while you might want to try and compare it to Iran it isn't comparable.

[edit on 2009/9/30 by Aeons]



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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Just how can israel get away with not being part of the NPT? And then have the cheek to question others nuclear programs. The world is mad!



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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Yes I agree what Israel did to Mordechai Vanunu is disgusting



Mordechai Vanunu in the garden of St. George's Cathedral in Jerusalem. This picture was taken two days after his 21 April 2004 release from prison


some information on this Great Man for those who dont know his story.


Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: מרדכי ואנונו‎, born in Marrakech, Morocco on 14 October 1954) is an Israeli former nuclear technical assistant[1] who revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986. He was subsequently lured to Italy and kidnapped by Israeli intelligence operatives. He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted of treason and espionage. According to Norwegian lawyers' support group, Vanunu is a political prisoner, denied democratic freedom of speech.[2]

Mordechai Vanunu spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 years in solitary confinement. Vanunu was released from prison in 2004, subject to a broad array of restrictions on his speech and movement. Since then he has been briefly arrested several times for violations of those restrictions, including giving various interviews to foreign journalists and attempting to leave Israel. He says he has been persecuted by the authorities in Israel because of his conversion to Christianity,[3] saying "I want to tell those who say I am a traitor, I suffered here 18 years because I am a Christian."[4]


en.wikipedia.org...

Imprisoning innocent people and illegally taking over and occupying land not own by them is Illegal and against international law.
And yet they still get away with having nuclear weapons themselves, and lying about their Nuclear capabilities in the 1980s.

I remember a military campaign which began on March 20, 2003 with the invasion of Iraq by a multinational force led by troops from the United States and the United Kingdom .

for the same reason was it not.????



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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The United States relationship with and Carte Blanche support of Israel well surpasses the borders of not just constitutional but criminal.

Israel needs to fully participate like every other nation does both voluntarily and with the spirit of integrity and goodwill in these International bodies or not call upon these International bodies for favor when it sees some favor to itself in that process.

Iran is a peaceful nation towards its neighbors and Israel is not.

Israel’s well documented violation of human rights is far more prevalent and wide spread than Iran’s.

The nation that most needs held accountable and sanctioned in the region is Israel and not Iran.

It seems to me Israel has stolen America’s back bone and dignity along with the Palestinians land.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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Just a few facts to throw into the mix in the interest of shedding some light.

The Dimona facility isn't exactly "hidden" you can find it quite easily and clearly on Google earth. (31.003104,35.146401 and zoom in). It's also not exactly a secret, it's been known to be there since 1958, over a half a century and was inspected by the US during the 60's.
Israel not being a signatory to the NPT means it really doesn't have any restrictions on what it can do with nuclear technology. Is that morally right? Maybe not, but it's not technically a violation of law/treaty.
Iran on the other hand IS a signatory and by hiding the existence of a nuclear facility it did violate the treaty.


Now for the opinion section:
Does Isreal have nuclear weapons? Probably, but no one knows for sure. The Isreali's have never denied having them, but have never confirmed it either. What better way to deter a nuclear attack IMO. If your hit with them and dont have them the world turns against your attacker. If you attack and they do have them, then they are perhaps justified in using them. The Sampson Option is brilliant! No one wants to occupy a radiated wasteland.
Isreal has been fighting for its survival since it was attacked less than 24 hrs after becoming a nation. They have been surrounded on all sides by all hostile nations for nearly their entire existance. During the the 50s and 60s nukes were all the rage amongst militaries and were the "ultimate" weapons. Why wouldn't they want some.
I dont exactly approve of the way Isreal has handled itself over the years, but I certainly don't give any kudos the Palestinaians for their actions either.
I know have my Nomex suit on. Commence flaming.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:02 PM
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'Ugly reality' of Israel's atrocities

This news article is from 2004 so the statistics shown need revision



Those that survive live a blighted childhood. Since September 2000, Israel has killed more than 660 Palestinian children and wounded 9,000 — such as little Iman, sprayed with bullets when walking to school in Rafah last month, even after she died. Thousands of children are traumatised by the daily horrors they witness. For a Palestinian child, life under Israeli occupation means turning 15 and seeing the army come to arrest you if you are male, or seeing your friends bleed to death because no ambulance is allowed to rescue them.

It is difficult to convey the scale and effect of Israel’s abuses of Palestinian lives through statistics alone. But these are horrifying enough: since 2000, nearly 4,000 Palestinians killed, and 30,000 injured; 400 were assas-sinated; and 25,000 homes were demolished. In addition, hundreds of acres of farmland were destroyed. No state on earth, except Israel, could get away with these atrocities, now routinely justified as “defence” against Palestinian “ terrorism”.


www.timesonline.co.uk...

How and why does the US side with Israel knowing their abuse of human rights.???

Israeli atrocities in Gaza: a political impasse and moral collapse

7 January 2009

The premeditated slaughter yesterday of innocent men, women and children sheltering in the UN-run al-Fakhora school in Gaza is a war crime for which the Israeli government and military general staff are directly responsible. As atrocity piles on atrocity, it is clear that the Israeli military is using Hamas's rocket attacks as the pretext for terrorising and subjugating the entire Palestinian population.

At least 42 people were killed when Israeli shells struck just outside the school in the Jabalya refugee camp in northern Gaza. Another 55 were injured—at least five critically. Witnesses described a scene of horror with victims cut down by shrapnel lying in pools of blood on the street. Following the attack, a hospital official, Fares Ghanem, told the Associated Press: "I saw a lot of women and children wheeled in. A lot of wounded were missing limbs and a lot of the dead were in pieces."


www.wsws.org...

Thanks

Ocker



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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I have no problem with Israel having nuclear weapons since they know when to stop. Israel knows that when they make an operation and carry it out, that people will react negatively or someone will attack.

Iran is dangerous because the theocracy has no sense of what a limit is. They are willing to keep pushing and making statements without thinking of consequences further down the line. A Shahab-3 with a nuke is just what the Middle East, and the world doesn't need. Because a country with inflammatory remarks spewing forth from a puppet president would cause an angry retort and threat of war.

Iraq had one centrifuge to enrich Uranium to create nuclear weapons. No power stations.

Iran has thousands of centrifuges and two power stations. Seems like they're enriching Uranium for more than just power. You don't need 4000 or 8000 centrifuges to provide fuel for a few power stations. However you would for a nuclear arsenal.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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S&F to the OP for a good story.

So, that is proof of the deception of Israel at Dimona, but they fail to sign the NNPT, but will persecute Iran using it.

Here is war talk building.



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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Israeli actions are disgusting to the intelligent man, invisible to the ignorant man, and appropriate to the despicable man.

AAC


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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Please. If you invaded a country by force of numbers and forced legitimacy through terrorist bombings of foreign embassies, and then proceeded to force the native inhabitants out of their homes at the point of a gun, you would be attacked by every country around you as well. It is not that cut and dried and you know it.

Don't try the "Fighting for survival" line. They have no right to exist as a country in the first place, so the attacks against them were entirely justified.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Hi
and thanks for your post


I have no problem with Israel having nuclear weapons since they know when to stop. Israel knows that when they make an operation and carry it out, that people will react negatively or someone will attack.


With Israels lack for human rights and peace I find it hard trusting them to stop.

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Here is war talk building.


Hi mate thanks for the Video very interesting lets hope peace wins.

reply to post by barrelmaker
 


Hi
it is a good thread when difference of opinions are voiced and not rubbished thanks for yours.


Israel not being a signatory to the NPT means it really doesn't have any restrictions on what it can do with nuclear technology. Is that morally right? Maybe not, but it's not technically a violation of law/treaty.


No it is not as far as I understand either. For Israel to become respected amongst the global community and show responsibilities
it would be a wise move.


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Hi and well said my friend.


Israel needs to fully participate like every other nation does both voluntarily and with the spirit of integrity and goodwill in these International bodies or not call upon these International bodies for favor when it sees some favor to itself in that process.


reply to post by D.E.M.
 


Thanks for a good valid point


Thankfully, after 20 years they have finally been reprimanded in the UN. While that means absolutely nothing in reality, it is still a step towards having the mad dog that is Israel disarmed.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Israeli actions are disgusting to the intelligent man, invisible to the ignorant man, and appropriate to the despicable man.

AAC


And by the sound of it spoken by a wise man



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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And you can see some of the Iranian stuf on Google Earth at:

Near Natanz, Iraq:

33°53'10.46"N 51°35'15.20"E
SAM battery at airport

airport
33°53'41.37"N 51°34'38.53"E

calutrons
33°43'8.26"N 51°43'10.82"E

underground base
33°31'13.01"N 52° 1'10.80"E

pits
33°48'21.86"N 51°44'56.74"E

At this point, who is right or wrong does not matter.

Negotiation or war will decide who is left.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
Yes, Israel has nukes. We know. They've had them for like half a century now.

Israel hasn't however ever announced in the General Assembly of the UN that they are looking to take over the World as the only true governors.

So while you might want to try and compare it to Iran it isn't comparable.

[edit on 2009/9/30 by Aeons]

You have to provide us with a quote don't you



Iran is not known to possess weapons of mass destruction, and has signed treaties repudiating possession of them, including the Biological Weapons Convention, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Over 100,000 Iranian troops and civilians were victims to chemical weapons during the 1980s Iran–Iraq War.[1][2] On ideological grounds, a public and categorical religious decree against the development, production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons has been issued by the leader of the Islamic Republic.[3]


Maaaan... Iran sounds like a perfect world citizen, what the hell is all the cries about?

Ohh I forgot, the UN was created for peace and harmony. But there is a catch.

Here is the full sentence: the UN was created for peace and harmony against world super powers. So if you don't want to get gang raped, or just over whelmed with foreign power, do as you are told.

Saddam and the Taliban was unfortunate enough not to listen to world powers.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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Facility 1391: Israel's secret prison


It has been removed from maps and airbrushed from aerial photographs. But Facility 1391 certainly exists - you just have to ask the Palestinians and Lebanese who have been imprisoned and tortured there. Chris McGreal reports


Facility 1391 has been airbrushed from Israeli aerial photographs and purged from modern maps. Where once a police station was marked there is now a blank space. Sometimes even the road leading to it has been erased. But Israel's secret prison, inside an army intelligence base close to the main road between Hadera and Afula in northern Israel, is real enough. For 20 years or more it has been housed in a large, imposing, single-storey building designed by a British engineer, Sir Charles Taggart, during the 1930s as one of a series of garrison forts designed to contain growing unrest in Palestine. Today, the thick concrete walls and iron gates are themselves protected by a double fence overseen by watchtowers and patrolled by attack dogs.

The prison has held Lebanese abducted by the Israeli army as hostages, Iraqi defectors and a Syrian intelligence officer who tried to defect but was accused of spying and chose to remain in another prison rather than return home and face a firing squad. More recently, scores of Palestinians were incarcerated in 1391 for interrogation, which finally led to the almost accidental disclosure of a prison the state decreed did not exist.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


www.guardian.co.uk...

32°28'12.60"N 35° 1'19.49"E







Here is a good thread started by mysterE in regards to Israels secret weapon testing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks

Ocker




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