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Israel's Hidden Nuclear Weapons Factory / Video

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Matt it's called AIPAC, maybe you haven't heard of it.

I suggest you do a Google search on AIPAC to learn more.

Thanks for the typically amateuristic attempt at deflection buddy!

Once again that Lobby Group's name is A-I-P-A-C

Too funny Matt!




posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Red_Fox
Netanyahu thinks he's Menahem Begin.
I'm sure the plan to strike Iran is a reality for years and years.
That's why the whole "Cast Lead" fiasco in Gaza was all about. So that the people of Israel would elect and extreme-right govt. And now the power-hour is here, and everything is in place for the war they are planning for years.

Isarel is being napalmed with propaganda every day about Iran. They're inducing fear and terror like always and they've done a very good job.


Scott Ritter: 'politically motivated hype' over Iran
Former UN Weapons Inspector says United States, Israel creating Iran crisis 'out of nothing'.




NEW YORK - Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter warned Tuesday against the “politically motivated hype” over Iran’s nuclear program.

"The Obama administration has come to a preordained conclusion that there’s nothing that can be done about Iran’s nuclear program, that Iran either has to get rid of it all, or there’s nothing to discuss about. That’s not much of a discussion," Ritter told Democracy Now!.

"Here we are condemning Iran for doing its job, declaring a facility, inviting inspectors in. And the conclusion it’s reached from this? That they’re producing nuclear weapons," said Ritter.

"This is politically motivated hype designed to create a situation this coming Thursday that will find the United States unable to reach any sort of agreement with Iran about its nuclear program," he added.

Ritter, former UN weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991-1998, is author of Target Iran.

"Even if Iran produces this new facility, which, by the way, is not in operation and won’t be in operation for over a year, no nuclear material has been diverted, there still is a full material balance, and the IAEA is in complete control of the situation. Iran is not in violation," explained Ritter.

"This is much ado about nothing. But again, we come back to the original premise: this is about political hype, the United States hyping up a capability in Iran which doesn’t exist, and that is the capability to produce nuclear weapons," Ritter added.

Ritter explained the vital Iranian need for nuclear energy.

The Iranians "strategically require an additional source of energy, such as nuclear energy" to supplement their domestic energy usage so that they free up their oil production and gas production for exportation, so they can earn money. "This is a big deal. This isn’t insignificant," explained Ritter.

However, Israel and the United States say they want to bomb Iranian nuclear facility, prompting Tehran to react.

"The first thing you do is you build redundancy, and that’s what this new Qom facility represents. It’s redundancy. It’s a backup to the Natanz primary facility. Again, it’s been declared, no nuclear material has been diverted. But it’s there as a backup. The second thing you do is you fire off missiles in a warning that you have an inherent right and capability of self-defense," said Ritter.

Israel has launched a massive air exercise last year, in which it demonstrated the ability to fly hundreds of aircraft the distance necessary to strike targets in Iran.

The United States is also carrying out exercises with Israel.

"The bottom line is it’s the United States and Israel which are the more aggressive of the players here. Iran is not an aggressor. Iran has not attacked anybody. Iran is simply trying to do that which it is legally allowed to do: produce enriched uranium for the purposes of nuclear power," said Ritter.


www.middle-east-online.com...



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
Yes, Israel has nukes. We know. They've had them for like half a century now.

Israel hasn't however ever announced in the General Assembly of the UN that they are looking to take over the World as the only true governors.

So while you might want to try and compare it to Iran it isn't comparable.

[edit on 2009/9/30 by Aeons]


Yes. Because the only evils we need to be concerned about are the one who openly confess it. Great argument. If Israel wants the moral high ground, they need to sign that treaty. Until then, they are hypocrites and liars. North Korea has publicly threatened the US and has nuclear weapons. Yet, we invade Iraq, a country with no WMDS and no possible means of attacking the US. Why? Because Israel considered them a threat. If we invade Iran, it won't be to protect the US. It will be to protect Israel. They need to do their own dirty work - I'm fed up.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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Thank you for the info on this thread. It is quiet informative and I agree witth the OP on most of the points except the one that Obama is taking Israel line on Iran. Yes Bush certainly was the puppet for Israel but at the moment I dont think Obama is.

He was the first President in a long time to bluntly tell Israel to halt illegal settlments because of which he is viewed as Anti-Semite in Israel. If you dont believe me here is a link to video and you will find several others thru google.
Anti-Obama Racism in Israel? and US Jews and Israelis split on Obama

We're launching a campaign against anti-Semitic Obama'
By Raphael Ahren, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Sevice


And immediately after which problem started rising for Obama such as Hoax Kenyan Certificate the source of which was some Israeli/Jewish. Second problem the birther one campaigned by Orly Taitz another pro-Israeli with close links to Israel and now if you research the Health Care reform many of the people who are making noise are in Israel/Jewish Lobby in D.C

Considering all that, I think Obama may be just hoodwinking Iran because every reasonable person knows what Iran is doing is correct and within law in comparison to hypocratic attitude by Israel.

US certainly shouldn't and would'nt fight Israel war, enough is enough. After bloodsucking US & EU thru donations to Israel from many years now Israel wants to fight war sitting on back of these countries.

Btw S&F to the OP

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Has it occurred to anyone that.........

At the very least, the site has been know since they had a traitor give info out.

For god sakes, it's listed on google earth.

There is even a video on it.

How hidden is that????????



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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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I didn't bother to read your post in its entirety. I made it until the part of your rhetoric defending Israel's right to exist. That is laughable, in fact I chuckled a little.

Israel has EVERY right to exist, although it is doing it through terrorism, genocide, and manipulation of media. I don't care how they do it quite frankly they can do whatever they want. Yes, they have every right to exist,

but NOT at the COST of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. You are condoning Israel's illicit way of attempting to 'exist' at the cost of collapsing the United States of America. They are pushing a war with Iran, 'pushing' a war with Iran. They are pushing us into war with Iran as we speak. I can't emphasize that enough.

Oh well lol /end_rant

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by Aeons
Yes, Israel has nukes. We know. They've had them for like half a century now.

Israel hasn't however ever announced in the General Assembly of the UN that they are looking to take over the World as the only true governors.

So while you might want to try and compare it to Iran it isn't comparable.

[edit on 2009/9/30 by Aeons]


Yes. Because the only evils we need to be concerned about are the one who openly confess it. Great argument. If Israel wants the moral high ground, they need to sign that treaty. Until then, they are hypocrites and liars. North Korea has publicly threatened the US and has nuclear weapons. Yet, we invade Iraq, a country with no WMDS and no possible means of attacking the US. Why? Because Israel considered them a threat. If we invade Iran, it won't be to protect the US. It will be to protect Israel. They need to do their own dirty work - I'm fed up.


We didn't invade Iraq because the nuclear or WMD threat, it is for the water. Israel is running out fast and the desalinization plants are becoming obsolete as the water in the Dead Sea is now TOO thick with salt to harvest. My understanding is that they have used the underground boring machine to build a pipeline to Iraq to get the water from there.

Funny thing too, the blue stripe on the top and bottom of the Israeli flag? Anyone know what that stands for?

It represents the Euphrates River and the Nile river, "they" the Zionist jesuits, believe that they have actual right to that land and should rule all the land between those two rivers.

History is strange when one learns the real history and why it is.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by daddio

Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by Aeons
Yes, Israel has nukes. We know. They've had them for like half a century now.

Israel hasn't however ever announced in the General Assembly of the UN that they are looking to take over the World as the only true governors.

So while you might want to try and compare it to Iran it isn't comparable.

[edit on 2009/9/30 by Aeons]


Yes. Because the only evils we need to be concerned about are the one who openly confess it. Great argument. If Israel wants the moral high ground, they need to sign that treaty. Until then, they are hypocrites and liars. North Korea has publicly threatened the US and has nuclear weapons. Yet, we invade Iraq, a country with no WMDS and no possible means of attacking the US. Why? Because Israel considered them a threat. If we invade Iran, it won't be to protect the US. It will be to protect Israel. They need to do their own dirty work - I'm fed up.


We didn't invade Iraq because the nuclear or WMD threat, it is for the water. Israel is running out fast and the desalinization plants are becoming obsolete as the water in the Dead Sea is now TOO thick with salt to harvest. My understanding is that they have used the underground boring machine to build a pipeline to Iraq to get the water from there.

Funny thing too, the blue stripe on the top and bottom of the Israeli flag? Anyone know what that stands for?

It represents the Euphrates River and the Nile river, "they" the Zionist jesuits, believe that they have actual right to that land and should rule all the land between those two rivers.

History is strange when one learns the real history and why it is.



Wow, do you have any actual links to confirm your statements about water pipes and what the bars on the flag stand for???

Seriously..........

I am sorry and don't mean to be rude, but without linking confirming what you say, it is simply your unsupported opinion (which you are more than welcome to) but you need make clear what is unsupported opinion and what is proven fact.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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This is a lie, perpetrated by Yasser Arafat, the PLO and Hamas. (Proto are you listening?)

The blue stripes were incorporated into the design to reflect the blue stripes on a traditional Jewish prayer shawl.

Please, stop lying. It doesn't help the debate, it doesn't help solve the crisis with Iran.

And we invaded Iraq because Israel wanted to build a secret underground water pipe to the Euphrates? Good God man, could you be any more far fetched??!



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Oh,

And I hope you guys are in the know about the Israeli Internet Defense Force:

www.thejidf.org

Wikipedia them.

It's sometimes useless to argue against members posting pro-Israeli rhetoric because seeing as AboveTopSecret has a HIGH volume of members/posters it's only natural they have a watchful eye on this forum.

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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OMG, Joos can use the internet! We're all doomed!

It never occurs to you that people may have their own independent opinions that may differ to yours? Of course not, because there's one opinion and one opinion only, and that's yours. Anyone who disagrees with you is a stooge for the Israelis.

I'm sure the JIDF will appreciate the free advertising though



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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Wow' you are correct, those people seem paranoid..they are tracking people's ip address.Thanx I didn't knew about that. Just took a look there. Those people are really paranoid.


Originally posted by mattpryor
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OMG, Joos can use the internet! We're all doomed!

It never occurs to you that people may have their own independent opinions that may differ to yours? Of course not, because there's one opinion and one opinion only, and that's yours. Anyone who disagrees with you is a stooge for the Israelis.

I'm sure the JIDF will appreciate the free advertising though


Using internet is different from "stalking" people on internet. I for the first time went to this website now and saw how creepy these ppl are they are rigtout tracking people ip's adresses, home adress, usernames and how loose is their tongue naming anyone anti-semite just coz' they are againt Israel's policy.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by mattpryor
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OMG, Joos can use the internet! We're all doomed!

It never occurs to you that people may have their own independent opinions that may differ to yours? Of course not, because there's one opinion and one opinion only, and that's yours. Anyone who disagrees with you is a stooge for the Israelis.

I'm sure the JIDF will appreciate the free advertising though


*Revised: OMG, the Zionist political movement cloaking behind Jusaism can use the internet to censor anything factual against the illicit expansion of the Israeli state! We're all morally doomed in consequence of taking a stance in favor of the unlawful expansion!

It never occurs to you that people may have their own independent, historically and factually inaccurate opinions about Israel that may differ to yours? Of course not, because there's one fact and one fact only, and that's yours. Anyone who disagrees with you is misinformed about Israel's ancient and modern history.

I'm sure the JIDF will appreciate the free advertising though


Congratulations for unsuccessfully trying to warp fact into opinion. Is it an opinion that gasoline is a hydrocarbon mixture used as fuel? Is it an opinion that the population of Palestine has endured great suffering caused by Israel?

See, what you tried to do was:

#1 Depict me as anti-Semitic by play of words, 'Joos.' When in fact my 'opinion,' and if you don't know the definition of opinion/viewpoint, this is one coming up right here: I admire and respect Jews so much that I can not express in enough words. Their contributions for humanity are colossal, and I am in deep gratitude of the progression/advances they have brought mankind. That, however, does not mean I must be in concord with USA foreign policy or Israeli governance.

#2 Warping 'fact' into opinion as to make my viewpoint seem extreme and delusional. You used a 'generalization' technique.

Nice try though that was actually pretty damn good. And please don't bother retaliating with an opposing post because I really don't have the time to exchange debate reason being because your post against mine was quite immature.

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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Israel is a terrorist state, and 9/11 would have been right up their alley. Every day more and more Americans wake up to this fact.

I for one would never support a war with Iran. Iranians are one of the most diehard people on earth. During the Iraq Iran war waves of Iranian children, old men and even women ran at Iraqi troops unarmed in allot of cases, Iraqi machine gunners mowed them down for hours only to be overran (look up the Iraq Iran war 1980-1988 on Google). An invasion of Iran is akin to Genocide for this reason.

These videos may or may not stay online very long smackdowncorps.org... If they dont work just look for others, as there are thousands.




























I could literally post videos of Israeli atrocities for days on end. Just have a look on youtube. And for anyone not familiar with the Jewish Talmud (One the holeyest of Jewish texts) you should do some reading. It goes a long way to explain the Jewish state’s stance on the seizure on non Jewish lands. Talmud Truth

To be fair atrocities occur on the Palestinian side as well, but for many of us the imbalance of power leads us to favor the oppressed!

It’s not the Jewish people as a whole who are to blame, but rather the Talmud thumpers who think it is their god given right to take all they like from all non Jews.



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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Don't worry Glass_Eyed_Max, once you back him into a corner as I've done in the past he will begin trying to ignore you.

He always starts out strong with his proZionist clap trap but as soon as you point out the historical evidence to the contrary his house of cards quickly collapses and then he runs away looking for another rational thinking member to lambaste with his rhetoric. Fortunately less and less people are buying it now days.

Also, thank you very much for that link to the Zionist activist site that is actively trying to stalk free thinkers across the web. It even lists WIKI authors who it finds antisemitical in their writings. I suppose more people to be slandered by them as the list just gets bigger and bigger and so does their paranoia.

It's funny, Israel builds these nuclear weapons making facilities and then dares its neighbors to do the same. Even after they've committed such atrocious acts against the indigenous inhabitants of the area they now encroach upon and regularly act like a rogue nation that considers itself above internationa law. Then they rely on people who are within their cult to propagate their propaganda...



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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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Is it now the practice of members to decide that if another member doesn't agree with their viewpoint they obviously are "working for someone"?

All members on here have the same rights to post their opinions.

You are adults at a "table" having a conversation.

If you can't handle the conversation and feel the need to resort to baseless attacks on the character of your fellow members you will be escorted from that table.

This has been made clear many times and honestly, it's out of simple courtesy that I'm posting the reminder one last time.

Argue each others opinions. Disagreeing with someone does NOT entitle you to insult them or decide that they have some hidden motives for posting here. Members are all on equal footing. If you can't accept that then this is not the community for you.

I really hope I don't have to type this again. It's getting repetitive.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Hey, let's see who can post the most atrocity videos in this thread. I can find just as many propoganda videos from the other side.

Both Israel and Palestinians are guilty of atrocities. However, here at ATS we seem to have just as many "extremists". By that I mean people taking extreme sides by either supporting Israel or Palestinians. By supporting either side they support an extremist viewpoint. It must stop so that people can begin to have rational discussion instead of wildly clinging to extremist viewpoints and fighting for them to the bitter end.

It is sick seeing people stand up for the Palestinians when they have extremist viewpoints and use terrorism, the targeting of Israeli civilians, and use their own people as shields from retaliation.

It is sick seeing people stand up for Israel when they oppress the Palestinian people, kill innocents, and treat Palestinians as less than human.

Both sides are sick and have extreme viewpoints. Maybe we should take a lesson from them both and not hold to these extreme views. When people on this site and on these forums support and argue pro Israel or pro Palestinians they are supporting atrocities either way.



posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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The issue with the NPT and Iran vs. Israel is that a signator of the NPT gets help from other nuclear countries to develop nuclear power in exchange for promising not to seek nuclear weapons.

It is hypocritical and a violation of the Treaty to accept foreign nuclear expertise say we want peaceful nuclear power only to turn around and use that information and know how to make weapons.

Israel has enough brilliant minds to figure out how to make nuclear power and nuclear weapons without the necessity of essentially stealing the knowledge under false pretenses. If a sovereign nation doesn't sign a treaty, its not bound by that law.

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posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:34 PM
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I watched your videos and saw solders using rubber bullets to break up illegal protests, children throwing rocks, and self serving narratives without any evidence of the so called oppression.

Here, watch these videos:








posted on Oct, 1 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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Let me get this right, Israel is just an innocent pawn that just wants to be left alone? Get a life friend, we all know how it works. Israel declares an area as a militarized zone Palestinians are removed from the area via force if required, settlers move in and demolish everything, and beat the Palestinian inhabitants if they do not move on.

You’re not fooling anyone. A freedom fighter is not a terrorist! I guess the Jews in Germany were terrorists as well huh? Poor poor Germany, I bet that was the cry of the day. How could they cope with all those Jewish terrorists.

Also why should Israel expect Iran to submit to inspections when it has refused the same time and time again? The days of the foreign lobby is numbered here in America!

Religion in our state affairs is already banned, and those who hold dual citizenship with Israel and any other religious state will soon find themselves out of office. To deny Israeli oppression is very simply retarded! If you really believe Israel is innocent in all of this then you have been severely brainwashed.



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