Could the Human Race be causing these Earthquakes by extracting Oil?, page 2
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reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:31 PM by cenpuppie
reply to post by liveandlearn



Nice post, nice article. That occurrence implies heavily that drilling into the earth could cause earthquakes. And you know our new american motto when it comes to oil, drill deeper.

The OP may not be on point (we'd see oil at fault lines) a good and valid point is brought up. Drilling can cause earthquakes, if not an increase.

S&F..and i'm stingy with mine

Edit: From this article that liveandlearn posted, why am i not surprised?


The hydraulic fracturing technique was pioneered by Halliburton Co. Former Vice President Dick Cheney was chief executive officer of the company from 1995 to 2000 and served as an SMU trustee from 1996 to 2000. Some critics of SMU’s coziness with the company have referred to the school as “Southern Halliburton University.”


That explains it.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by cenpuppie]


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 01:47 PM by rtcctr
reply to post by stumason



we drill close enough together for it to have the same results.

let me say it in a way you will not argue with take a board 70milesx70milesx2inches drill nano sized holes in it YOU WILL STILL WEAKEN THE BOARD.



reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 02:07 PM by D.E.M.
reply to post by rtcctr



Unfortunately for your analogy, not enough for it to matter in the slightest. God, what are they teaching the kids in school since I left? The lack of even basic scientific principle knowledge in this thread astounds me.


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 03:58 PM by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Originally posted by stumason
reply to
post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist



Please..

You "know", do you? Provide the proof, please.

Just saying something doesn't make it so. All the scientific data and even cursory observation shows that oil is not needed to "lubricate the plates"...

I cannot believe some people actually believe drivel like this. I despair, i really do. This site used to be full of intelligent people, now we just seem to have a huge mass of pillocks.


I think you need to take a look at liveandlearns post at top of this page before ridiculing my Theory!! Research into this drilling effect is currently in place

As to the Proof of Earthquakes becoming more common place.... well i don't actually have any proof except from what i hear and see on the News or Internet.....

Edit to add: Maybe a little more caution before posting is needed on your side



reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 04:05 PM by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by liveandlearn



Thanks for your post & link..... i needed some back-up on my Theory and it looks like you have provided it....

I gave you a Star



I like this:

After multiple earthquakes hit Cleburne, city leaders hired a geologist to find out why. Then they learned that Southern Methodist University geologists were conducting their own six-month study with 10 loaned seismic monitoring stations, funded mainly by the National Science Foundation. So Cleburne’s council decided to save the expense and piggyback on SMU’s study. Most of Cleburne’s earthquakes had already occurred when the 10 stations were put in place this summer.

Cleburne’s deference means that SMU—which has agreed to house the George W. Bush Presidential Library and think tank, and where Laura Bush is a trustee—will be the prime arbiter of whether the natural gas industry is the root of the earthquake problem.


And this:


Gas well activities such as injecting or extracting fluids into or from the earth’s crust can cause earthquakes, Stump said, but many other areas of the state have drilling and fracturing without earthquakes.

“There’s something peculiar going on here [in the DFW area] that’s not going on elsewhere,” Hayward says.


The earthquakes near the DFW airport were close to gas wells set up just last year, Frohlich says, noting, “It’s certainly a likely candidate as being related to the earthquakes.”


Though scientists have had less time to study data from this summer’s Cleburne quakes, “it certainly is suspicious,” Frohlich says




[edit on 30-9-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 04:06 PM by D.E.M.
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist



Claims without proof are simply that: Claims. One should have a more solid case than "I heard this on the news and extrapolated ZOMG THE CRUST IS BREAKING" before attempting to get support behind it.

On a side note, you didn't edit to add that, there is no edit notation on the end of your post (The forum software puts one there) so it's just a poor attempt at a jab that makes you look silly


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 04:10 PM by Shirakawa
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist



To give you a more correct sense of scale: the structural effects of drilling the earth crust for oil are at about the same scale of a mosquito bite on your body, without the inflammation side effects.

[edit on 2009-9-30 by Shirakawa]


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 04:25 PM by marsoto
Too many earthquakes here is the list from september 29 and 30.

Date,TimeUTC,Latitude,Longitude,Magnitude,Depth
2009/09/30,10:16:09.8,-0.789, 99.961,7.6, 80
2009/09/30,09:29:26.8,-33.21,-179.195,4.8, 35
2009/09/30,09:05:12.7,-16.103,-172.972,5.0, 10
2009/09/30,08:24:58.5,-16.575,-172.685,5.3, 10
2009/09/30,07:32:15.2,-15.256,-172.697,4.9, 10
2009/09/30,07:13:46.9,-16.58,-172.941,4.7, 10
2009/09/30,05:53:57.1,23.106,124.311,4.9, 10
2009/09/30,05:24:51.4,-15.351,-173.38,5.3, 10
2009/09/30,05:08:33.9, 4.951,126.874,4.8, 54
2009/09/30,04:46:22.5,-16.253,-172.383,4.8, 10
2009/09/30,04:03:11.3,-15.647,-173.367,5.0, 10
2009/09/30,03:18:10.4,-15.776,-172.773,4.6, 10
2009/09/30,02:47:27.1,-15.773,-173.104,5.0, 10
2009/09/30,02:39:08.9,-16.2,-172.976,4.7, 10
2009/09/30,02:29:34.3,-16.443,-173.355,5.0, 10
2009/09/30,02:21:31.7, 4.930,126.919,4.9, 35
2009/09/30,01:46:50.5, 3.875,126.633,4.9, 35
2009/09/30,01:39:50.4,-15.414,-173.404,5.1, 10
2009/09/30,01:39:42.4, 4.912,126.732,5.6, 66
2009/09/30,01:30:40.4,-15.512,-172.496,4.9, 10
2009/09/30,01:16:17.9,-15.549,-172.061,4.9, 10
2009/09/30,01:09:29.9,-14.926,-173.737,5.1, 10
2009/09/30,01:05:35.2,-14.979,-173.092,5.2, 10
2009/09/30,00:40:52.4,-15.46,-172.931,5.1, 10
2009/09/30,00:27:53.0,-15.029,-173.137,4.8, 10
2009/09/30,00:22:38.0,-15.38,-173.481,4.9, 10
2009/09/30,00:11:38.0,-15.993,-172.243,5.0, 10
2009/09/29,23:51:43.4,-15.134,-171.944,4.9, 10
2009/09/29,23:32:57.0,-15.538,-173.322,5.4, 10
2009/09/29,23:11:51.5,-15.565,-173.365,5.5, 10
2009/09/29,22:54:07.8,37.023,-104.81,3.4, 5
2009/09/29,22:41:45.9,-15.199,-172.899,4.9, 10
2009/09/29,22:36:17.9,27.835,127.800,5.4, 8
2009/09/29,22:08:30.2,-15.345,-173.387,5.1, 10
2009/09/29,21:51:00.5,-16.174,-172.533,4.9, 10
2009/09/29,21:28:56.8,-17.205,-173.002,5.0, 10
2009/09/29,18:57:58.9,-16.067,-173.125,5.2, 10
2009/09/29,18:46:02.1,-14.953,-173.329,5.0, 10
2009/09/29,18:40:11.3,-15.347,-173.296,5.4, 10
2009/09/29,18:34:29.9,-14.871,-172.493,5.1, 10
2009/09/29,18:29:26.2,-15.948,-173.231,5.0, 10
2009/09/29,18:21:42.7,-16.197,-173.069,5.8, 10
2009/09/29,18:20:27.3,-12.19,-161.6,5.6, 10
2009/09/29,18:08:22.2,-15.467,-172.092,5.6, 10
2009/09/29,17:48:11.3,-15.561,-172.084,8.0, 18
2009/09/29,17:21:44.6,41.578,141.997,4.7, 66
2009/09/29,12:03:19.6,43.503,144.783,4.5, 10
2009/09/29,09:14:05.8,-7.019,129.557,4.8,162
2009/09/29,06:01:14.0,30.939, 83.485,5.0, 10
2009/09/29,03:43:38.3,34.784,-106.754,2.3, 5


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 04:47 PM by PrisonerOfSociety
I see validity in the OP.

Firstly, i find the meme implanted when black-gold was industrialised as coming from dead dinosaurs as ludicrous; what BS. How can biological matter, composed of microscopic fossil plants (diatoms) & Kerogens, pool together and are 'cooked' up over time to be later dug up as 'fossil fuel'?

A much more plausible explanation, is that oil is
abiotic (non-living composition). Basically, the high pressures and temperatures in the Earth's crust, create a thermodynamic reaction leading to an evolutionary bi-product of hydrogen carbons.

The Russians seem to be keen on this abiotic theory...


The claims for each (as evidence of a biotic connection for petroleum) are refuted, with unchallenged evidence published in first-rank scientific journals often as long as thirty or forty years ago.

The continued, egregious claims of such as “evidence” of a biological origin of petroleum are acknowledged to be fraudulent. A recent paper describes very recent analysis of the thermodynamic stability of the hydrogen-carbon system in circumstances most favorable to the evolution of hydrocarbons, and shows that the hydrocarbons which comprise natural petroleum cannot evolve spontaneously at pressures less than approximately 30 kbar, which pressures correspond to the depths of the mantle of the Earth.

In the second instance, this paper describes experimental demonstration of the foregoing theoretical predictions, whereby laboratory-pure solid marble (CaCO3), iron oxide (FeO), wet with triple-distilled water, are subjected to pressures up to 50 kbar and temperatures to 2000 C. With no contribution of either hydrocarbons or biological detritus, the CaCO3-FeO-H2O system spontaneously generates, at the high pressures predicted theoretically, the suite of hydrocarbons characteristic of natural petroleum.

Link

So in answer to the OP, probably not the drilling per se but the continual bleeding of the very lubricant that's created deep within the crust, that may have secondary effects causing earthquakes.


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 04:48 PM by Selahobed
Petroleum, or oil, forms from the remains of plants and animals that lived in the ocean. When organisms died and sank to the bottom, they were covered in mud, sand, and other mineral deposits. This rapid burial prevented immediate decay, which would normally occur if organisms remained exposed on the sea floor.
The lack of oxygen in the sedimentary layers caused organisms to slowly decay into carbon-rich compounds. These compounds mixed with surrounding sediments and formed source rock, which is a type of fine-grained shale. As more layers were deposited on top of one another, pressure and heat acting on the source rock compressed the organic material into crude oil.
This rapid burial could have been caused by the world wide flood spoken of by many different ancient cultures. The excess weight of water on the earths crust would have not only have changed its chemical composition, with depth and pressure causing a recrystalization of the rocks, but would also have compressed the rock, reshaping it, pushing it down to the lowest point of gravity. A bit like putting your finger in a bit of plastosine. After a period of time, much like the plastosine, the crust returns back to its original positon. This is called isostatic movement, and would cause catastrophic plate/fault failure. This rapid burial mqay also explain why we have fossils that actually go through the geological layers, rather than being flat as classic geology suggests.
Alternativly, there could be an outside gravitational source that is interacting with the earth. After all, these earthquakes seem to be hapenning in the same hemisphere.
Just a thought.


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 05:11 PM by Selahobed
reply to post by TheRedneck



At certain depths and pressure, liquids remain liquids. The only thing that would affect that is a breach of some kind causing the disolved gasses in the liquid to force its way to normal atmospheric pressure. This is typically what happens in subduction zones because the escaping disolved gases changes the chemical composition of the fluid, thus the viscosity of the fluid too. This is the reason why lava is differnt to magma and why lava is more "runny" than magma.


reply posted on 30-9-2009 @ 05:16 PM by Selahobed
reply to post by PrisonerOfSociety



Marble is the metamorph form of limestone which is formed through dead marine life, so this oil still comes from the same source.
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