It takes a brave religious person to question their belief system. Having your whole religious paradigm come crashing down around you is an intimidating prospect.

What if the Bible was translated incorrectly from the original Judaic texts?

Do Christians realise that their religion has close roots with not only Judaism but also the Muslim religion?

Was Jesus really a Caucasian man living in the Middle East as the Catholic faith depicts him to be?

Do Christians realise that Halloween was a Druidic time of celebrating ones ancestors and that it was the Christians of times past that perverted the celebration into a night of witches and fear? (Of course modern day Halloween is fun but the premise of my point remains)

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Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
im offended! how dare you say there is no logic in religion!

follow this. i will talk slowly...

there is only one true god.

that god is jesus christ.

we know this from the bible.

we know the bible is TRUE!

read your bible, it will tell you so.

no logic? HAH!

But this is EXACTLY what the OP is talking about. You're literally going by a book that has so many different versions and spinoffs, and you're saying that just because the book itself says it's true, then it's true.

Once again: How many different versions of this book are there? How many times could it have been changed? Also, the Earth and the Universe are NOT 6,000 years old - everyone knows that.

This book, while I appreciate the GUIDELINES that religion has offered us, to take the entire book literally just doesn't jive with me. The OP is right when he says that once you take it literally, you are throwing ALL logic out the windows. And no offense, but your post kind of validates that.

The world is not 6,000 years old. We (Humans) are NOT the center of the universe. I think Science is starting to prove it all...

I believe in a God - a supreme creator that created everything, but I don't believe that it would judge and kill and maim and harm like depicted in the bible. How many people did the OT God slaughter?

And God's will? That's just an excuse for fate and destiny and just when s**t happens...

You can still be a good person and do the right thing without the constraints of religion.

Religions have divided humans for a long time. The basic laws are good, don't get me wrong. But that's as far as I'll go. Other than the laws, I think it's done more harm than good...

Now, if you can't give me proof that JC was son of God and that this God from the bible exists WITHOUT USING THE BIBLE as a reference every single time like some do, than there's not much more to talk about.

And one thing that absolutely makes me sick about Christianity is how ANYTHING that contradicts it is "The Devil" or Satan. And if you DON'T believe JC died for you, you go to hell FOR ETERNITY. What kind of "God" would put someone through a test like that, give them ONE chance at it (one chance at life), and if they fail, they burn for eternity. Is that fair? Why would you want to pray to or believe in a God like that? The OT God sounds like a little kid having fun with his ant-farm. So God kills innocent people and children because it's his will? That's just an excuse. No thank you!

All this because of a BOOK. That is the ONLY thing Christians have to go by. I don't think I will ever understand...

And BTW, I've read the bible from front to back. I WAS a born-again Christian for a few years, so please don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.

So I'm the devil, or I'm being led on by the great deceiver? Remember, that it was because of this book that people were getting burned alive for saying that Earth is not the center of the universe.

But I don't expect a star or even a nice reply from this, because indoctrination can be a real bummer.

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As stated in my earlier post on this thread, please present to me the illogicality of a single creator, i would love to prove you wrong.

I do not think it can be done so this should be fun.

Originally posted by resonance
As stated in my earlier post on this thread, please present to me the illogicality of a single creator, i would love to prove you wrong.

I do not think it can be done so this should be fun.

No one, I repeat NO ONE can prove or disprove the existence of a creator(s).

Originally posted by asmall89
Another religion bashing thread on ATS who would have guessed?

Show me there isn't a God, or there isn't the supernatural.

Why don't you show there is a god and there is the supernatural.

Just because you don't know the answer yet it does not make it supernatural. Just like a Magic show, once you understand the trick it looses it's MAGIC, some people refuse to know or learn the trick because after that there isn't more magic, it seems like a Syndrome in religious believers aswell.


LMAO

On a post above i read the most hilarious thing I've ever read that follows the OP.

which OP stated as A=B and B=C so therefore A=C.

but anyone indoctrinated on religious belief will answer that B is a different B.

"The reason that you are not able to identify their (Christains) thinking as logic is bacause mans logic is not God's logic. God is far more advanced than man and you have yet to be able to see God's logic because you lack understanding "

Lack of understanding LMAO.

Edit: to add quote and fix spelling.



[edit on 30-9-2009 by Arsenis]

Originally posted by KaytaggI think this is no accident. Religion is the science of staying ignorant.
Think about it -- in religion, there is no proof, no experiment, no evidence, etc, to make a case with.

Your premise is based on a logical fallacy (def: Clearly defined error in reasoning used to support or refute an argument, excluding simple unintended mistakes). Religion does not claim to be scientific. There is no hypothesis, experiment, peer review, etc. It is based on faith alone. Any Christian who argues for God based on facts instead of faith is suffering from the same belief in your logical fallacy. What you are saying is that people who have faith are stupid to do so, as they cannot back up their faith with facts. You erect a straw man, then blow him over. Since the entire argument is fallacious, it is only posted as an irritant to Christians or people of other faiths.

In religion, you're trained to think with your emotions, rather than your brain. You're trained to look at lack of evidence as a GOOD thing, because without evidence, you're only recourse is to blindly follow, and faith is looked at as a "virtue" necessary to get into heaven

Here and there are scientific evidences. For example, www.halos.com. Perhaps science throws out all facts that do not fit a perfect sequence of events. For example, did you know the Moon is at least a billion years older than the Sun or the Earth according to NASA moon rocks and experiments? Science cannot yet explain the Moon. Guess that's one staring you in the face, right? The more science we learn, the less we really know what we think we know. How about string theory? Accept that on faith, because you will never see a string. It comes down to faith, ultimately. Got faith?

Evidence be damned -- if they say it's true, then there's no room for other opinions!

I would not expect any Christians to argue with the evidence. All the Christians I know are upset that science throws out the evidence it doesn't like, or fires the scientists that find something that is not part of the accepted scientific line of thought. It appears science is as guilty as religion, according to your premise about not changing their minds. The internet is full of reports of fired scientists. Apparently, their superiors had the attitude "evidence be damned".

I wouldn't pick on the Christians. I'd lay the blame at the feet of humanity and human nature. People have their own selfish agendas, and their greed.

That's why we have ATS. We're after the truth. Welcome aboard. Let's find the truth, and spend a little less time trying to eat each other alive. Fair enough?

Originally posted by Arsenis

Originally posted by asmall89
Another religion bashing thread on ATS who would have guessed?

Show me there isn't a God, or there isn't the supernatural.

Why don't you show there is a god and there is the supernatural.

One word, LOVE. Miracles happen every day. Angels save people every day.

People these days, especially teenagers (the future), find it "too hard" to use logic. I've tried talking to many of my friends about more "advanced" things and they just scratch their head and change the subject to something they heard on TV and things like that. Some religions I suppose helps facilitate that but otherwise I would blame our lame education system. I'm certainly not challenged or worked hard enough and have even become lazy (which I'm fixing) because the amount of work they have us do is becoming less and less which is killing the learning pace. I'm losing hope, I don't know about you.

I don't thing we should adopt the other extreme (ex:the Japanese education system) but we certainly need to get rid of No Child Left Behind and stop catering to the kids who don't care one bit about education. It is ruining it for EVERYONE.

[edit on 9/30/09 by MoothyKnight]

And BECAUSE religions are based on faith alone, that's probably why they are a dime a dozen.

How easily can I write or make-up something and say that if you don't believe in this, there will be consequences? It's just all about people blindly following something.

Faith/Smaith. I am not too fond of that word one bit. The whole fact that you NEED faith in a case like this should be a dead-giveaway.

If something is so real (God from the OT/NT, JC being son of God, the bible), then why does someone NEED to have faith? Why the test? Why not just chill up in the sky to prove your existence instead of this damn game!

It's a friggin game! <----- That X 1,000,000

And like I said before. According to the bible, we're put here with all of these distractions and then you have "the great deceiver" trying to bring you down. Now, if you fall for it, you burn for eternity.

THAT'S A GAME!

It's literally he-said she-said BS.

If this Satan is so cunning, then why such a horrible punishment for falling for it? Can anyone see where I'm coming from?

So even if the bible is correct to the tee, God is still testing us all? Sounds like this guy is having a fun old time watching us run around like a bunch of idiots deciding what's right and what's wrong? What kind of being creates these situations in the first place?

My belief? SOMETHING created us - created everything. What? I dunno, but it shan't be the one from the bible. And God (as depicted in the bible) and Satan are just personifications of good and bad. Everything else just happens due to cause and effect!



But I'm still going to hell, ain't I?

I was not talking to anyone, and i did not specify which god, i was just commenting on the topic of this whole thread, that religion is the science of defeating logical thinking. I think it is completely logical to believe in a god, i dont see how anyone can present a valid argument against that either

*sigh* You're either pissed off right now or your just trying to get everyone else pissed.

Tell ya what, prove that the Bible is wrong and I will become your personal parrot.

If I can prove that of science (as a whole not just parts like finding pigs teeth and calling it the missing link between apes and humans... That, I could do in my sleep) you become MY parrot!

Ya know what? Neither of us can! Neither science nor religion can be disproved at the moment. Me? I tend to believe both (aside from primordial soup crap and humans evolved from chipmunks... ya know, the stuff SCIENCE can't prove.) Am I illogical? NO!

Can science be? HELL yes! Until Jupiter got hit back in the nineties no scientist thought that earth could be hit by a speeding body from space! Although earth has craters... and science admitted that a meteorite killed the dinos... SCIENCE was illogical and fought tooth and nail against the idea and even laughed at the idea we could be wiped out by a flying rock from space!

Can religious people be illogical? YES! Are all of them? No! Can you prove there is no God? NO!

I'll believe how I wish to and you do the same.
Everyone gets along better that way.



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