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ANYONE who quotes the bible is a LIAR!!!!

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posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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do you quote the bible?

only if the shoe fits ....

can we agree on this one simple truth?:

can we agree on this?:
god has all authority

can we agree on that one thing?

god has all authority, right?
can we agree upon this?

yes? good, i knew we could agree on that.

so, if god has all authority ...
and that which has all authority gives you something, words
doesn't that make them your words?

can we agree on this?:
god has all authority

can we agree on that one thing?

when god (who has all authority) gives you something, doesn't that make it yours?

yes? when god gives you god's words, doesn't that make it your words?

yes?

good, i knew we could agree.

so then, why do you quote your own words, given to you by that which has all authority?

quoting your words?
they are not an external source.
they are yours.

please do not quote your words to me. i know your words. i gave them to you.

am i god?

here, yes.
just in these words.
just in this box.
just here on bts

why?

i got bored.
the motto here is deny boredom.

when one is all powerful and all knowing, it is not as easy to be suprised, and no suprises can lead to boredom.

if you want to, you don't have to quote any holy books any more as far as i'm concerned. it's a waste of burning calories if you think about it.

god gave you those words.
that makes them yours.
don't quote anymore.
it shows god you don't believe that god has all authority.

it is the same as calling god a liar.

you don't want to call god a liar, do you?

if you call my god a liar,
then i call you a liar.

if you quote the bible to me
you are calling my god a liar

if i were to believe any quote you give to me as an external source
if i were to believe as you do
i would be calling my god a liar

i'm not calling god a liar
you are. with each quote.

have a nice day,
your god.




posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 02:25 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences.

Explanation: Do i quote the bible? Yes! See Here.

Can we agree on this? "god has all authority"...Yes!

so, if god has all authority ...
and that which has all authority gives you something, words
doesn't that make them your words? ...No! I just borrowed them.

so then, why do you quote your own words, given to you by that which has all authority? Because I believe I maintain a valid congruence between what is said by the god in question and what I am quoting! This can be tested for accuracy!

"god gave you those words.
that makes them yours.
don't quote anymore.
it shows god you don't believe that god has all authority."
hmmm??? would that mean by giving me his words that he has also given me FULL authority? If yes then please say so in my recent thread Here.

Personal Disclosure: As for god being a liar..well s/he also tells the truth. nice balancing act! Did God create Evil to ensure Freewill?



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by soul of integrity
when god (who has all authority) gives you something, doesn't that make it yours?

yes? when god gives you god's words, doesn't that make it your words?

yes?

good, i knew we could agree.


why would it make it your own words?



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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This is what I notice Miriam. Clouds doesn't really preach scripture he believes in the quran but call himself a christian. Personal I believe that if he did believe he would use scriptures to prove his points. He won't do it. It like the what he believes in or says he does, he can't use. Maybe he just don't read God's holy words.



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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i wasn't talking here, so why you refer to me in this thread ?

I do not quote scriptures to much, because most abuse it to judge
in ignorance of other scripture. In ignorance of the message of the gospel.

anyway, i did quote you this:
God is one, everything. (leviticus, Quran, gospels, logic )
Truth is one, everything.

Within Christ the entire physical manifestation of God is embodied. Col 2:9
God is one Deut 6:4

did you forgive god/truth ? or do you ignore him ?
i know you will have to react on me first, it's okay.

I said i fullfill all dogmatic religious conditions to be a christian,
but the real meaning of christian and muslim is 'believer',
with conditions that are different from dogmatic thinking.
still you question me, (which is okay), but it contains
a judgement over another christian without asking
further questions, is that right ? you answer.
read what your scriptures say about that, because that's
a heavy accusation in the interpretations of dogmatic christian thinking.
why don't you just ask me, so i can further explain it,
trying to understand him ?
if not, avoid judgement

test every spirit if they speak from god, god is one.

take care you.
really, i am not here to convince you, it's your job.

you are always welcome to mail me,
i am not going to stay long anymore on ats
my fight is almost past.


[edit on 26-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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reply to post by miriam0566
 


i know where your words come from.
i know you better than yourself.
you need me to prove it to you?
don't you listen to what the majority of people are saying to you?

here is a little exercise for everyone:
take a poll.
ask 10 people what dictionary they use to look up words.

i'll be back when 5 contributor's share results in this little experiment to see what the majority of 10 say.
ok?

if you take the time to read my posts, you would see that i am telling you and showing you, and demonstrating to you that i know my enemies better than they know themselves by doing this:

showing you that i am in direct contact with all that is responsible for all your words.

i know. it can't be true, can it.

i do thank you for your time, and sharing with me.

thanks guys,
john paul peter



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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Ooooookay then

Anyway...

Im a prawn again fisherman

I only believe in cod



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


what was your gain ? really.
i don't see it. not even a try to bring something.
build or counteract.



[edit on 26-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


what was your gain ? really.
i don't see it. not even a try to bring something.
build or counteract.



[edit on 26-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]


Offended are you?

Last time I checked this was in the chit chat forum...not on ATS...what I posted was merely chit chat...which is totally fine when this thread is in BTS




[edit on 26/9/2009 by OzWeatherman]

[edit on 26/9/2009 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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that's at least an explination for something



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by soul of integrity
reply to post by miriam0566
 


i know where your words come from.
i know you better than yourself.
you need me to prove it to you?
don't you listen to what the majority of people are saying to you?

here is a little exercise for everyone:
take a poll.
ask 10 people what dictionary they use to look up words.

i'll be back when 5 contributor's share results in this little experiment to see what the majority of 10 say.
ok?

if you take the time to read my posts, you would see that i am telling you and showing you, and demonstrating to you that i know my enemies better than they know themselves by doing this:

showing you that i am in direct contact with all that is responsible for all your words.

i know. it can't be true, can it.

i do thank you for your time, and sharing with me.

thanks guys,
john paul peter


that in no way answered my question.



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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he means god is one,
so whatever you speak it is god speaking.

soul of integrity:
but it's not because god speaks,
you're on the same side of the coin
2 perspectives, lie/truth creation/god
there is growth from one to the other.
where there is gods perspective, there is no other anymore.
( when you are in god's perspective you first reach his state by being in peace and knowledge with everything,
peace even with taking that state away again, manifestations of god are in peace
but allow themselves to take away the full state for part to teach in human/angelic form = glorification jesus, elijah, son of man (=prophets) )

Within Christ the entire physical manifestation of God is embodied. Col 2:9
God is one Deut 6:4

[edit on 26-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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No no no! first of all buddy olpal. OP (mirror) PO... = Pure Obviousness//


= sul integ... = Obvious spammar..

why?

Because I know your intention better than you..


Now first of all.... OP... Or I should say Sul integrity (mirror) SI = IS

IS = In/secure...


Now, the OP headline had about 5 of these !!!!!

so that means to me that your motive is to disprove something as an agenda instead of as a truth... like a spammar does.


secondly....


so, if god has all authority ...
and that which has all authority gives you something, words
doesn't that make them your words?

(OP)


There's a slight problem.

The bible itself says these are MY words and to not add or subtract from them...

so the bible itself from God himself who has the authority, says that these words are his and not to be tampered with...

Than do we listen to the authority or do we find loopholes?

So it's not our words and that's biblical, and since God does have the authority than this OP is moot....



now that that ownage is out the way... let's move on..

I am just teasing BTW...



Now if theywere our words. hmmm. Why would we even read the bible and search for truth if we already had it?

hmmmm.


because they are NOT OUR words...


owned again..


Now... answer Miriams question...

Bye OP.. thanks for adding me as friends



peace.



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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jesusistruth:

(daniel) He shall take away (antichrist) the continual sacrafice. (Malachias) My name is great among the (gentiles) and there is offered to my name a clean oblation "

godistruthandhisothernamejesusandtruthandlife:
(hahaha, i am now writing in soulintegr style )

who said daniel wrote about the antichrist ? he wrote about the annointed ones,
the prince to come, the 144k
that's why it's better to search god in heart and logic
then in scriptures without testing them to your heart and logic
which is from god

or big delusion.
really. search god by asking him questions all the time,
honesty is the command. How do you proof the bible to be from god ?
by testing or by logic ? build logic, it will confirm the bible.
but not in the way you are used to it,
you will learn another god (just as daniel promised, no
regards to the god of his forfathers), a better complete one.
the real loving god, without judging people because they don't know
the word 'jesus'.

[edit on 26-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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because you like the scripture:

some quotes that can help you releasing judgement.

“I am the LORD; and there is none else” Isaiah 45,22

Hear, Israel: the Lord is our God; God is one: Deuteronomy 6:4

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“For the Father judges no one, but he has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn’t honor the Son doesn’t honor the Father who sent him.” John 5:22-23

“Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does likewise John 5:19

"But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. John 5:45

“Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:1-2

God said to Jesus, "You are my son today I have begotten you" Heb.5:5

God said to David, "You are my son today I have begotten you" Psalm2:7

Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me." Isaiah 46:9

Within Christ the entire physical manifestation of God is embodied. Col 2:9
God is one Deut 6:4

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posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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NO LOL

pastclouds, I was joking in the previous post. The OP is a spammar..or atleast post like one



Who said daniel speaking of antichrist?

How about daniel.... Because the NT talked about Daniel too concerning the end times and the beast. Daniel himself was talking about the antichrist/ The two horns.. the beast who takes away the continual sacrafice...

daily communion will be taken away... and churches will b closed for about either 1 half or 3 years when he comes according to daniel..


peace.

[edit on 26-9-2009 by JesusisTruth]



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
he means god is one,
so whatever you speak it is god speaking.


sorry, still makes no sense



posted on Sep, 26 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally jesusistruth aka spammar

So it's not our words and that's biblical, and since God does have the authority .....


so your words are not biblical?
fine, take a bible, take all the words in it out.
then read that book, and follow it's directions.


owned again..


owned? yes! taken? no! given? yes! kept? no!
free flowing words, with the least amount of hinderence



Now... answer Miriams question...


miriam and fellow panel members (this little thinktank called bts)

i want to answer your question.
you won't believe me
you will believe me better if you do this:

take a poll of 10 friends/people
ask where they go for definition, name of source, name of dictionary.

what is the most common answer?
the answer to this may offer better understanding of the answer to your questions that you ask others about.




Bye OP.. thanks for adding me as friends

peace.


i like smart people.
i see what they write
i see they are literate
hell, we have a chance at finding common ground
the more people i have that i share common ground with, the less alone my alone seems.

win win win, for each friend i can find
win win win, for each free thinking mind
win win win, for all of our/your/their kind
win win win, more we see, then less blind

peace,
john paul peter



posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Ooooookay then

Anyway...

Im a prawn again fisherman

I only believe in cod



sorry, i was out mowing the lawn
no, not here to make you my pawn!
i want to show you your true brawn
be it great, aomeba, and even prawn
but "do not pass", not today, a line drawn

a fisher of men, i believe too
de bait me? easy now, what's true?
i only am here to share a big clue
and some more, if i can do what i do

one foul bait came to hell to, all said "wait"
one foul fish, sick, hit the lure called hate
hit lure sue a side hitler's suicide we ate
it will never be the same, no mind of state

and yes dear prawn we believe in cod also
but when their is no one left to know to call? so?

subject matter of secrets am i, no more try
sued, ejected, retame, foe, seek writs so, no more try
just around the corner, soon, a new friends say hi!
please hold on just a little longer, please don't die

prawn [reversed] in warp

we can move at speed
we can choose to lead
i'm so beyond off i'm +'d (teed) (teed off)

sing a new song up to the lord, let your song be heard ....
sing you lair it +, singularity, my soul, you think it's opsurd?
mirror cured why, down in us, a doctor answered, "you're cured"
mer ....cur.....y.......V....enus
mercury ...............venus..............

be not afraid
be very not afraid
if you are afraid
be knot a frayed

i have found no reason for us to hide
just jump on board and enjoy the ride
you can't have any effect on my pride
soon, real soon, all will know we havn't lied!!!
soon, real soon, all will know far more than "tried"
i have found no reason for us to hide
soon, real soon, and only a few cried
we can find no reason for us to hide
just jump on board and enjoy the ride

most, most, most, hear with the holy ghost
host, host, host, pole to pole, post to post......
little by little just to share our efforting most

a thing, a thing, a thing, a thing obsurd!
the worm, the worm, they have the bird!
ape knows ape knows ape knows the word!
a thing, a thing, a thing, a thing obsurd!



posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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"God has..."
That's a little off, sorry.
Do you think He has a Swiss Bank account too? I mean what does God own? That's just silly and I do not agree with one word of your post.



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