The first throes of Civil War are here

reply to post by mormonmike


Your wrong. The first rule of anything is: FAIL TO PLANLAN TO FAIL.

reply to post by D.E.M.
Could not have put it better,like minded people support this administration,those that belive freedom IS free.

With the human race there is no free ride,we are predators and lazy ones at that.To much freedom for to long without haveing to step up.

If this adminastration has done anything right it has made those of us that respect our freedom stand up and take notice but then we always have,but we are not Legend anymore,we are few.

Who ever orcastrated this takeover has done well and America will never be the same again.How could we have been so apathetic to think this would never happen to us when it is like this all over the world.

have you all ever noticed how close your posts are to right-wing republican talking points?

Originally posted by novacs4me

 

Your avatar speaks volumes about your viewpoint. As an American, communism will NEVER be an acceptable substitute for the way of life that I knew as a child in the '60's, and can now see is slipping away. Freedom is worth the cost of preserving it.

Having lived in a Communist country I can tell you that it will be the worst CHANGE for the nation to implement "true Socialism/Communism ." But of course the Communists, most of whom have never experienced it's horrors, and can't understand the true context of "The Communist Manifesto," even when it is right in front of their noses will continue claiming "it is the best economic, and form of government there is," despite the fact that EVERY TIME these Socialist/Communist policies have been implemented in EVERY nation in the world, it has resulted in the destruction of freedom, and individual rights, not to mention of course the oppression of the mayority of the people, and in general the destruction of such nations.

But, by now everyone should realize that a "Socialist dictatorship" is EXACTLY the plans that tptb, which includes the Obama administration, want for us.

History does repeat itself. I know there are many Americans who will not bow down to the dictatorship which is upon us for much longer, but will enough Americans band together to try to stop this? Or will we succumb like every other nation in which a Socialist dictatorship has been implemented?

I am not advocating violence, but we do need to band together as sons and daughters of the REPUBLIC and demand loud, and clear for the taking over of this nation by tptb, and for it's transformation into a Socialist dictatorship to STOP.

True Socialism/Communism has NEVER been the awnser, and will NEVER be.

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For a civil war to erupt the disgruntled population needs to be between 1/3 to 1/2 for it to ignite.

If the same 1/3 disgruntled people were to strongly voice their option at to ballot box and on regular protests it could bring about the needed effect . A petition with 50 million names delivered to the WH . A 5 million person protest in DC would open their eyes or open our eyes if such a march were ignored or met with force and violence that would be the clue the civil war is about to erupt .

So far the protests have been ignored like the 9/12 tea party . The vetoing process and protests need to be exhausted before civil war breaks out .

As for a person lived threw 60s yes there is huge changes in the last 15 years . In the 60s and 70s there were calls for a revolution. But the general anger toward the government for being out of touch and going against the American will i don't recall it ever being higher than it is today . If the politicians want to pacify the public they need to be more responsive to the will of the American people. Or the OPs idea will come to pass .

BTW
throes noun violent spasm , convulsion struggle .

correct word !

reply to post by titorite


In some things that you say you are right, in some things you are wrong.

As a nation the first great wars the Republic of the United States fought was against Islamic terrorist nations which thrived on piracy back in the 1800s, and continuously attacked our vessels.

The forefathers of this nation, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams tried to negotiate with the Islamic nations to no avail, so we had to go to war.

I don't want to derail this thread but are you claiming those wars were not necessary either?

It doesn't matter that certain corporations benefitted from the wars, the fact of the matter is that Islamic terrorism is real, and if we stop fighting it we will eventually become a nation like Sudan.

Anyway, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."


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Excellent post Titorite. S+F

While I am not sure we have reached the tipping point just yet, I do believe we are headed for it in the next few years. I once heard someone say that the US is worse than any third world country (when speaking about governments, etc.), but now I wonder just how far we are from being the next 3rd world country....and not the superpower that we are. Things are going to get worse people...don't kid yourselves. All this twisting of words, and your avatar means this, and I can't believe you said that......all that won't amount to a hill of beans when the SHTF people. It is coming.....we are on a collision course with destiny and fate.

reply to post by uaocteaou
To; uaocteaou.
You cannot call a dead fish anything but what it is, a dead fish.
The dead fish which is starting to stink to high heaven is very dead and no matter how long you wait or how hard you wish for it to come back alive and be fresh swimming in a clear water stream, it's not going to happen. Obama is in the dead fish category and there is nothing he can do and nothing the people around him can do that will cause him the be release from that category.

"He was put there for a reason and the sooner you figure out for yourself what that reason is the better off you will be."

Do you get it yet?............I didn't think so. So sit down and cross your legs and relax and think about what I just said. It's not going to happen, he is not worthy of our support or adulation. ................KMG



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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I am sorry ElectricUniverse but I fail to see the threat Afghanistan poses to the US.. Its not like they are gonna swim over here to suicide bomb us.. More over the majority of the folks the Government says attacked us on 911 came from Saudi Arabia.. not Afghanistan... but that is only if you believe the governments version of 911 which I personally do not.

Just like the JFK assassination I think Oswald was a patsy.

Just like the USS Main. It was proven not to be a Spanish torpedo.

Our government has a history of doing bad things to itself and blaming others...

That said I still do not see a credible threat to US interest from the Middle East.

Osama did not write up the Patriot Act.

reply to post by titorite


That was a heck of an opening post. A tad angst-filled for my taste though.

Yet it seems relevant to add that the media is part and parcel of this explosion of awareness of unrest. It sells.

I think there are more important matters to consider, such as the events shaping the policies of those we mostly agree wrongly think of themselves as "enlightened leaders."

Civil war is not the act which is called for in the circumstances befalling us now. I think the proper term would be revolution. It's a scary leap... but a necessary one if the purpose is to remain unfettered by political showmanship and extraneous baggage added by those who lust for attention.

There is a time when we must all recognize that it is WE who must take action - as individuals. Not as a mob, which is too easy to fall prey to agent-provocateurs, not as a 'cell' which can be ignorantly 'used' against their own cause, not as a club, or even a group of friends. WE must hold true to what we know is the Republic which will never die. Tyrant after tyrant has contrived ways to overcome her and we remain, as Morpheus said... "We are still here!"

Resistance is an act of awareness. The ignorant reduce it to folly.

I would say that these kinds of events when taken as a collection are alarming and telling of the social knee-jerk reaction to mounting control. The control is necessary to enable the inevitable exploitation of the controlled, and thus we are ruled.

I say passive peaceful non-compliant resistance is the morale high-ground...
of course, the FEMA camps would sure fill up quick, wouldn't they?

[edit on 25-9-2009 by Maxmars]

"It is a tale, told by an idiot, all sound and fury, signifying nothing." I apply this quote from Shakespeare to 95% of the posts on ATS. Opinions are like ...holes. Everyone has one. Most are nothing more then the venting of impotent rage agianst a system that has you beat before you get to the starting gate. This post is for the committed. We need change. This goes way beyond the simplistic views of the simple who buy into the left/right paradigm. To defeat your enemy you must become your enemy. They do not think 5 days, weeks ,months ahead. Try years ahead. Whatever we do we must do for posterity. This is not about us. This is about our children and our childrens children. If you are not prepared to act selflessly , you are not prepared. An economic weapon is the only weapon that will work against economic power.

Wanna be Rambos and Mad max's need not apply. If you want to run around killing each with your shiny new toys be my guest. Play right into their hand. Do their dirty work for them. All they will have to do is clean up the mess while subjecting the rest of us to martial law. You help no one.

Leadership, organization and planning are the only way to win. Think nationally, act locally But only if your serious. I don't beleive anyone is ready for sacrifice. But that is what it is going to take.

Originally posted by titorite
I am sorry ElectricUniverse but I fail to see the threat Afghanistan poses to the US.. Its not like they are gonna swim over here to suicide bomb us.. More over the majority of the folks the Government says attacked us on 911 came from Saudi Arabia.. not Afghanistan... but that is only if you believe the governments version of 911 which I personally do not.
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Do Islamic terrorists who have attacked our ships, such as the USS Cole, and have attacked us "all come from Saudi Arabia"?...

I am not saying that we should be attacking every Islamic nation, but there are Islamic nations who sponsor terrorism which attack us in one way or another. The sooner people realise this, the sooner they will realize that sitting and waiting at the sidelines is not an option.

There are a lot of conspiracies and claims about 9/11, and not one of them has been shown to be the "truth."

Just because SOME conspiracy theories are real, it doesn't make ALL conspiracy theories real.

Anyway, as i said, i don't want to derail this thread, but when you bunch together some conspiracies, because you believe they are tied, it kind of leaves out a lot of people from believing what you have to say.



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reply to post by concernedcitizan


Wow. Rather dark, dude. I try to imagine folks sitting around a pub, circa 1770-ish, and people saying the same things.

Some guy; "I'm sick of the King. Always telling us what to do, how much he's going to tax. I think we need to do something."

Another guy: "Chillax bra'. The King knows what he is doing. All you're going to do is start something stupid, and get into trouble."

reply to post by concernedcitizan



I keep reading people talking about the "left-right paradim", but have these people really bothered to read the histoy of this nation, and the documents that the forefathers of the nation agreed to sign and decided they should be the founding stones of the nation?...

The Republican party of today is as guilty as the Democrat party of what has been happening to the nation, but many Americans are forgetting this is a REPUBLIC, and the forefathers saw it wise that it should be ruled by a REPUBLICAN form of government as the forefathers agreed on.

We don't need a "new Constitution" nor a "new Declaration of independence" like President Obama stated, we need to defend and uphold the Constitution, the Bill of Rights within the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence which formed this nation.




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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I don't think our founding fathers foresaw the rise of "professional" politicians making a living off the public teat. Not to mention cushy corporate jobs when their "public service" ended. Better we vote our neighbors, friends, co-workers, ourselves into government. But the cards are stacked against us aren't they?

Originally posted by titorite
Years ago I thought I would be willing to fight. I thought I would stand up to oppression. But I stood alone for none were willing to stand up to oppression with me. Then I saw the costs of fighting. Now I don't know. For now I have chosen not to take a side. To hide in the woods and let the nation figure out what it will do to itself. Not to sit in idleness but to give you all time to accept the reality of todays world. To see if you all will accept totalitarianism or liberty.

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I could've written that part myself That is exactly where I am at. And the funny thing is that now I have people approaching me about this stuff. People I know. People who know people I know. And complete strangers.

And you know what? I don't trust any of them!

You can allways tell who the ones brainwashed by alex jones are by the over use of the word 'tyrany'.

Originally posted by Spinster
You can allways tell who the ones brainwashed by alex jones are by the over use of the word 'tyrany'.

Well, we can see how well educated you are by your misspelling of the word "TYRANNY"....

I know, I hate having to respond like this....



[edit on 25-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by concernedcitizan

I don't think our founding fathers foresaw the rise of "professional" politicians making a living off the public teat. Not to mention cushy corporate jobs when their "public service" ended. Better we vote our neighbors, friends, co-workers, ourselves into government. But the cards are stacked against us aren't they?

It still doesn't change the fact that we are living in a Republic, and as such a republican form of government is necessary as is stated in the Constitution.

reply to post by concernedcitizan


BTW, I would rather vote for Ron Paul, as many if not most Americans would not do a good job as politicians, since many Americans do not know the Constitution of the United States, and they don't have in general the knowledge to be in any sit of power.


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