The first throes of Civil War are here, page 3

reply to post by titorite

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No man! America is sound, we do have some subservient moves on part of some media outlets, Fox News in particular. It seems to be an Obama bashing free for all designed to create discontent. It is a well know tactic used not just here but in the former soviet union, recently in Iran. You know many don’t care for Obama, but he was voted in by an overwhelming majority and we do not bash the people’s choice here in America at least not publically. I know he is not perfect, but consider for a moment that he is better than Bush! He had to bail out the economy and the health care reform is needed to keep the country afloat.

Don’t think for a minute that the multitudes that voted Obama into office are not standing by their convictions. The recent statement about Israel has really set Fox News off, so one could put two and two together here. Stand with America, and don’t be let astray!


[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by titorite

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First of all.. you are spinning things, worse than hannity.

For the military abduction, it's already been determined those men are NOT US Military Personell. Whether is was a private contractor or not is still being argued. And it may have been a hoax.

As for the kids singing? Its disturbing but it's just one incident that was probably conducted by a teacher who is an Obama tron. This is not public school policy.
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As for the census murder,we also have little details.

Is civil war possible? Yes. But these things are not signs of that.

Thank you , this thread is more a incitement to civil war then any of those things listed above, some people are so transparent. if you don't like it here then leave , or actually do something to make a differance, getting the wackos up loading their guns is not a good plan.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by titorite

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No man! America is sound, we do have some subservient moves on part of some media outlets, Fox News in particular. It seems to be an Obama bashing free for all designed to create discontent. It is a well know tactic used not just here but in the former soviet union, recently in Iran. You know many don’t care for Obama, but he was voted in by an overwhelming majority and we do not bash the people’s choice here in America at least not publically. I know he is not perfect, but consider for a moment that he is better than Bush! He had to bail out the economy and the health care reform is needed to keep the country afloat.

Don’t think for a minute that the multitudes that voted Obama into office are not standing by their convictions. The recent statement about Israel has really set Fox News off, so one could put two and two together here. Stand with America, and don’t be let astray!


[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

You have NAILED it D.D. That's Exactly what's happening.

Things are bad, sure. Have they been worse, yes. Have they been better, yes.

All this false trumpeting about rights being taken away, loss of liberty, socialist country. What a joke. And not a funny joke either. All of that happened way before Obama was elected, and you all know it.

Stirring up discontent, A PLAN to stir up discontent, a plan by a Mainstream media outlet, and with the help, funds and other support of for-profit entities.

If the chit is really going to hit the fan and bring about the collapse of this country, do you honestly think you would hear about it first..??!! of course not. did anyone know the day before that the stock market was going to implode on the following day?, NO.

Nobody will know anything until your television doesn't work, the phones don't work and all you get on your AM radio is static.... That's when you will know something. Until then, it's just posturing.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by uaocteaou]

reply to post by Donkey_Dean

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You sir are entitled to your opinion and I commend you for thinking independently. However, you are a prime example of why we have no revolution and why we are not taking back our freedoms. That reason is there is not enough of us that can agree on the bigger perspective, which is we are manipulated and controlled by our government. We still are separated by our opinions through a media saturated environment, by a politically tweaked society and by the methods that have worked for hundreds of years since the days of Rome.

When people with opposing views like you and me can unite regardless of those views, for the sole purpose of taking back our freedom, that is when we will have our revolution and war and that is when we will take back all of our freedoms. Unfortunately I don't know if that will ever happen.

Just hoping for a group of people large enough to do so...
However, the group is growing, steadily...

PS. I am just making a point here, please don't be offended by my post.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by N3krostatic]

reply to post by N3krostatic

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This country right here is the one my forefathers fought and died for! Don’t tread on me!! There is no need to violently cast out our leadership? ote them out if you have the numbers. Demand change and it will come this is America, not communist China!

[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

Jesus H. F#ckin' Jones, this is what I don't understand..........it's a good post, S&F for the OP. Debate insued, remarks made, comments twisted and so on.

But, and she has a big but!!!! What are you gonna do about it? I have done everything I can to educate people on WHO they are and where WE are heading and WHO is behind it all. It's old, very old indeed. The master plan has been laid many centuries ago, and is being guided along by most of us, including Ron Paul.

Now don't get me wrong, I stood up at the Republican caucus and spoke on his behalf, I believe he is correct, BUT, the elite needed someone to get us fired up. No fun if there is no competition. One sided fights are boring. Nuf said there.

What I really don't get is all those covert op's and government officials doing all these criminal deeds at the behest of the elite actually "believe" they will have a place in the house of the King when all is said and done? When one (the Elite) is finished with the individual used to subvert and usurp and strangle mankind, his job is done, his duty is complete. The elite will just get rid of him too. Don't they understand or can't they see that? Are they that willing to die for something so stupid?

So what is the good in undermining the public and creating havoc..Ordo ab Chao for the benefit of the Zionist Elite? What will you get in the end but dead like everyone else?

On another note, if we all understood our "strawman", we would be sending letters to our state governments outing ourselves from the corporate system. We then are truly "Free Men" and can pursue our Constitutional rights, which do not exist without reclaiming or redeeming our strawman.

Its often said that there are none so blind as those who will not see. Untold millions of unconscious men and women do not wish to see life on Urantia today as it truly is. That refusal by million of humans to take responsibility for their inner peace keeps the matrix illusion in place.

As human information acquisition abilities and awareness have grown over the centuries so has the sophistication of the statist controllers’ and their propaganda, justifications and techniques for maintaining various statist matrixes (state-rixes) - now rapidly becoming a unified global “matrix’. Initially, primitive superstitions and then later organised religious superstitions (“god’s chosen people”, divine right of kings, ‘suffer passively in this world in order to receive rewards in heaven’ etc) were major factors in constructing state-rix paradigms but in more recent centuries religious ideologies have lost much of their ability to mesmerise and control the masses and so ideologies based on pseudo rational principles relating to social governance and economic management, fraudulent and deceptive money creation; and pseudo, contract based legal systems now dominate the global matrix.

View article here;

abundanthope.net...

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by N3krostatic

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This country right here is the one my forefathers fought and died for! Don’t tread on me!!

[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

If you wish to take it like that, that is fine. Hopefully someday the information available will allow you to question what I am saying and what many of us here believe. If I have offended you, I apologize.

reply to post by marg6043

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To be fair the American population has had enough sparks in recent years to lead to a civil war, and nothing has happened. Stolen Elections, Iraq, Katrina, Bank Bailout,massive political corruption.

At least back in the 60's 70's Students and others would be out in massive numbers protesting against wrongs. These days you get Americans protesting about one of the very few good things 'some' politicans' are trying to do, by making healthcare morre accesible and affordable.

I have always argued that it would have been better for the Americans and the World if the South had won the Civil War and the United States been split up.

It boggles the mind.

Originally posted by N3krostatic

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by N3krostatic

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This country right here is the one my forefathers fought and died for! Don’t tread on me!!

[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

If you wish to take it like that, that is fine. Hopefully someday the information available will allow you to question what I am saying and what many of us here believe. If I have offended you, I apologize.

I agree that we have been sold out, and that foreign influences rule the day. This can change without tearing down the USA though. We only need to educate the public and demand reform! A hundred million man march would change everything. America is a government for the people, albeit vulnerable to corruption and outside influence.

Term limits for all public offices. A ban on the foreign lobbies. Media reform by creation of a publically owned and state supported outlet. At that point things will change, at present interested parties can influence the media with advertising dollars or share of ownership (Stock Holders), advertising should be banned on the public outlet and diversity should rule the day.



[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

Originally posted by uaocteaou

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by titorite

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No man! America is sound, we do have some subservient moves on part of some media outlets, Fox News in particular. It seems to be an Obama bashing free for all designed to create discontent. It is a well know tactic used not just here but in the former soviet union, recently in Iran. You know many don’t care for Obama, but he was voted in by an overwhelming majority and we do not bash the people’s choice here in America at least not publically. I know he is not perfect, but consider for a moment that he is better than Bush! He had to bail out the economy and the health care reform is needed to keep the country afloat.

Don’t think for a minute that the multitudes that voted Obama into office are not standing by their convictions. The recent statement about Israel has really set Fox News off, so one could put two and two together here. Stand with America, and don’t be let astray!


[edit on 25-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

You have NAILED it D.D. That's Exactly what's happening.

Things are bad, sure. Have they been worse, yes. Have they been better, yes.

All this false trumpeting about rights being taken away, loss of liberty, socialist country. What a joke. And not a funny joke either. All of that happened way before Obama was elected, and you all know it.

Stirring up discontent, A PLAN to stir up discontent, a plan by a Mainstream media outlet, and with the help, funds and other support of for-profit entities.

If the chit is really going to hit the fan and bring about the collapse of this country, do you honestly think you would hear about it first..??!! of course not. did anyone know the day before that the stock market was going to implode on the following day?, NO.

Nobody will know anything until your television doesn't work, the phones don't work and all you get on your AM radio is static.... That's when you will know something. Until then, it's just posturing.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by uaocteaou]

Very true, the "second shot" heard around the world will be a silent shot and that is if it hasn't happend already , the calls for a "revolution" are meaningless it isn't going to happen, the only reason it workd in 1773 was because the government was 3000 miles away.

if you think for a second that your going to get a succesful mass uprising your nuts, if your neighbor decided tomorrow he wasn't gonna take it anymore and climbed up on his roof and started taking shots and the police are you going to climb up and help him? NO and neither will anyone else.

You may get a few groups of people who stand up but they will be quickly labled cooks and nut balls and just as quickly takin out, i honestley thouht many years ago the internet might be the means to unite people to stand up for ideals together and fight evil but i now relise between the uneducated, the complete crazy people and the people to afraid to do anything, nothing will happen nothing will change so i guess we need to just deal with it.

But if your just sitting in your cabin in the woods waiting for the revolt, your wasting your time ,brother go outside and enjoy life cuss nothing is coming to save you.

reply to post by titorite

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When masses are made to believe something negative, they may create what they did not want, which is how for instance the "NWO" works.
You are believing it is taking shape, so it will take shape and theorists are major players in helping this taking shape by bombarding you with "facts" that it is taking shape.
Claiming you are giving in power everyday, and they control you more...while in reality you are in full control.
So the people who are "waking up" to it are the ones who are creating it.
Visualization also works that way around.

reply to post by kerazeesicko

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As a single individual there is not much one can do at this time. However, with numbers we can. And in order to do so there is a necessary process of sharing information and creating a unity among those that believe the same. This is what is trying to happen. We are strong in numbers but are divided in many ways. Through collaboration and the sharing of information the numbers can multiply. If anyone single handedly tried to make a difference of significant proportions they would disappear. There's enough history to prove that.

reply to post by Donkey_Dean

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You have a valid point and I wish we were united enough to have a hundred million man march but I doubt that would be allowed. I wish we could demand reform and have it be effective but I don't think that is realistic personally.

Our government and country are two separate entities. We are the country and are in a battle of control with the government for our freedoms. They use to represent us and still do to a certain extent. But corruption has seeped into the hearts of the machine from many angles.

Either way time will tell.

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