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Originally posted by Copernicus
Standing by for character assassination in 3, 2, 1....
The most likely reason for no disclosure is probably because the aliens dont want it. Otherwise they could easily make disclosure a reality themselfs. Humans are not the ones running the show here.
[edit on 21-9-2009 by Copernicus]
Originally posted by malcr
You have touched on the one aspect of Ufology that I can't get my head around. Why don't the aliens land somewhere bleeding obvious. In front of the whitehouse at midday, the mall in front of Buckingham palace etc etc They don't but they do manage to get themselves shot down in remote places and crash land here and there after travelling light years through space full of rocks and high energy particles?!?!?!?!?!? Sorry does not compute.
Originally posted by fls13
"The movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft..
For six hours there were at least ten unidentifiable objects moving above Washington. They were not ordinary aircraft...I can safely deduce that they performed gyrations which no known aircraft could perform".
Senior Air Traffic Controller Harry G. Barnes
Originally posted by karl 12
"The movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft..
For six hours there were at least ten unidentifiable objects moving above Washington. They were not ordinary aircraft...I can safely deduce that they performed gyrations which no known aircraft could perform".
Senior Air Traffic Controller Harry G. Barnes
Originally posted by itguysrule
reply to post by Copernicus
I think you are exactly right. If aliens wanted to land on the front lawn of the Whitehouse and say "Here we are!" there is probably nothing we could do to stop them. This means that either THEY don't want disclosure yet or WE (whoever they have chosen to talk to) asked them politely to wait a while and they agreed.
So why would this be the case?
- Maybe we are just REALLY lucky and the aliens are much more benevolent and patient than we are and they are letting us work out our own issues within some kind of agreed limits.
- Maybe we don't have anything the aliens are interested in and they watch us for fun like some kind of animal in a zoo.
- Maybe they think we have potential and they are trying to keep us from destroying ourselves.
In any case I would really like to know the actual story behind the story. I hope I live long enough to find out.
Originally posted by demongoat
Originally posted by primetime2123
sorry ...if this guy said aliens visit the planet I am inclined to believe him more than you just for the simple reason that he has seen alot of "stuff" in his lifetime and he has accomplished alot..that is the way the world works....this guy isn't some random wino on the street
seems to me that you are looking for anyone, anyone, who agrees with you.
even to the point of getting rid of any sort of discernment of truth
just because he's seen a lot of "stuff", doesn't make him an expert on aliens, it only means he knows "stuff"
still an appeal to authority.
i could care less if he was the queen of england or the POTUS, or even a wino, if the best they can do is give an opinion, they aren't anymore experts than anyone else.
Originally posted by ArMaP Or because it was a career somewhat connected with the government?
Originally posted by chunder
If in conversation at the dinner table you asked for opinions on a possible financial investment you were about to make would you give more weight to the 45 yr old doctors response or the 19 yr old lap dancers (and please invite me to your next dinner party as sounds interesting).
That would depend on what they would say as the reasons for their opinion, I do not accept any unsubstantiated opinion about anything, but if the doctor said one thing and the lap dancer another but the lap dancer's reasons made more sense to me I would give more weight to the lap dancer's opinion.
Originally posted by chunder
If in conversation at the dinner table you asked for opinions on a possible financial investment you were about to make would you give more weight to the 45 yr old doctors response or the 19 yr old lap dancers (and please invite me to your next dinner party as sounds interesting).
Did he himself investigated directly any UFO cases? If his opinion was based on what other people told him then he was in the same position as other people that had only "second hand" information about those cases.
Secondly the weighting of his opinion can also be judged on the information he was known to have - which was direct contact with senior members of the forces who had personally investigated UFO cases, Lord Mountbatten for one.
Considering that he retired in 1977, he was in no official position at the time those cases occurred, so I don't think that we should assume anything about any possible special knowledge that he could have about those cases.
Thirdly it can be safely assumed that because of his position he had certain information at his disposal, whether through contacts or status, as alluded to by information freely available on the Rendlesham Forest and Belgium Triangle cases.
Sure the phenomenon exists, what I would like to know is why he was convinced that the explanation for the phenomenon is extra-terrestrial visitation.
What does it all mean - his opinion (as opposed to some others) adds more weight to the argument that a genuine phenomenon exists.
"The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists seems to me to be overwhelming... A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable. It is striking that so many have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or military pilots. Their observations have in many instances... been supported either by technical means such as radar or, even more convincingly, by... interference with electrical apparatus of one sort or another..."
Admiral Lord Hill-Norton (GCB), Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, Britain; Chairman, Military Committee of NATO; Admiral of the Fleet; Member of House of Lords.
Richard Nixon, US President from 1969 to 1974: "I'm not at liberty to discuss the government's knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject
Originally posted by tallcool1
Here's that same ol' "credible opinion" argument again. He never claimed to have witnessed anything, he is just a believer and stated so.
The high ranking military officer's opinion is what the politician tells him it is.