'The islamic flag flying over downing street'

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Okay - Anjem Choudary has just released this video in retaliation for the UAF / EDL protests.

In a nutshell he wishes sharia law to be implemented in Britain, he wishes an islamic flag to be raised over downing street and even goes so far to ask the 'United against fascism' to embrace Islam. He calls the British soldiers as 'commiting atrocities in Basra' and mentions the running battles between the socialists, casuals united, the EDl and the UAF.

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Do not turn this thread into a hate thread. Mature discussion only please.

I'd like to hear comments from all sides.

reply to post by mr-lizard



I watched this a while ago... and wow.
I think this guy is trouble for sure.

I hate extremism in all forms and this guy is just as bad as the BNP...


There is something big brewing at the moment and i truly feel were are on the brink of some full blown race riots.


And Lunatics like Anjem Choudary help nobody at all.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Thanks for starting this new thread mate
I'm new on here so i cant even respond to mail yet


Ps: as Winston Churchill put it
Faschism will show its face again in the guise of anti faschism

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He actually might get his wish in the next couple decades. With the UK's open immigration policy and aggressive reproduction, I can definitely see Islam growing to predominance within our lifetimes.

This is what happens when you let people away with so much there comes a point when they want more, more and more!

Tsom87

We need to start a new National Party! This is becoming crazy, the UK was once a great country with proud Traditions. We need a National party that relly dose stand for its country people!

Lets get this crazy Immigration sorted out KNOW!

Tsom87

reply to post by TSOM87


I'm not sure another political party is what we need,
I think we just need to organize ourselves better so that we can put more pressure on who ever is in government regardless.

If nothing else Islam is doing an amazing job of uniting everyone across all religions, race, and social background in mutual fear of what they represent.

We are a nation of immigrants, always have been. Saxon, Norman, Viking, Breton, German (The Royals), all have come and been absorbed, even those that came with invasion in mind.

British people have had the same concerns about immigration many times, think of the 60's and the days of the Empire Windrush, but now all those people are as British as the rest of us.

I understand your concerns, but all that has to be done is to stick to our own rule of law, treating anone who comes here fairly while not pandering to their cultural or social whims and sticking to our own values. We should be convincing people to integrate by setting an example, not forcing them to or deriding them for failing to.

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reply to post by Karilla


Agreed sticking to our own laws is the way to go,
The problem is that there not or to put it better our government is changing our laws to accomodate them at an ever increasing rate with no thought to our values or heritage. values which do not exist in any Islamic society under sharia law as noted by amnesty international, in fact only 3 country's in the world with a minority of 20 percent of muslims is listed as free ish, any thing above that and its no freedom of speech, no womens rights, no freedom of education.
a very worrying prospect considering the demographics in the western world

Originally posted by Karilla
We are a nation of immigrants, always have been. Saxon, Norman, Viking, Breton, German (The Royals), all have come and been absorbed, even those that came with invasion in mind.

British people have had the same concerns about immigration many times, think of the 60's and the days of the Empire Windrush, but now all those people are as British as the rest of us.

I understand your concerns, but all that has to be done is to stick to our own rule of law, treating anone who comes here fairly while not pandering to their cultural or social whims and sticking to our own values. We should be convincing people to integrate by setting an example, not forcing them to or deriding them for failing to.

[edit on 12-9-2009 by Karilla]

I know the history, i know Immigration has happened though the ages. In the last 15 years Immigration in the country has been out of control. Am not saying Immigration should be stopped full stop. Its should be cut and controlled more. People come here and expect us to change for them. It should be the other way around. If they want to stay in the country they wish to immigrate to, they have to respect and adopt to the law's of the that country. Not bring there Law and demand it be used in the country they have came to.

Thats why we need a strong New National Party, a party that stands for the Country, its Law's, its People, its Traditions. IMO!

Tsom87

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reply to post by rogue21


It is a worry. Our politicians will only ever do what's politically expedient. ALways looking for the easy way out. We need some people at the top with a bit of backbone, people who will stand up to all fundamentalists, buisness leaders, drug companies, city boys and (sorry, but) the Americans.

What is ironic, though, is that here we are trying to transform arab states into democracies while we worry about Sharia law being instituted at home.

Edit to add: I still don't like the idea of a new national party. Mabe it's just the term. I've had so many fights with the national front when growing up, and the bnp when grown up, that I can't stomach the term.

[edit on 12-9-2009 by Karilla]

All they are doing is playing into the BNP's hands. giving them ammo. this is gold dust for them.

reply to post by mr-lizard


I don't know. No one would really do this, unless he wanted to sabotage it. Maybe he's a plant. If not he is either really religious, thinking that that bravery will help him, or he is a fool.

The biggest downfall for the late 20th century, and early 21st century is mass immigration. Not just immigration, but the people who come want to change the place they now call home. Whatever their reasons for coming to the countries, I am all for it. But if you try to get political only with one sect, then your headed for trouble.

I'm sure this century, countries will start implementing much harder immigration codes. Sure some countries need immigration to boost up their economy but their people are becoming the minority.

reply to post by Karilla


yes mate i agree with you about new political party's sadly the old one's are fundamentaly the same party, the same goals and ideals i.e. marxism
with faschism light thrown in.
may i add the lisbon treaty and europe to your list of things that need to be put back in there place.
PS:
what do you think of the ENGDEMS i've been keeping an eye on them ever since they won the doncaster mayor election and if actions rather then words are anything to go by, there definatly interesting.

Originally posted by Karilla
We are a nation of immigrants, always have been. Saxon, Norman, Viking, Breton, German (The Royals), all have come and been absorbed, even those that came with invasion in mind.

****Are you forgetting that they were all White People?
That they all have the same predecessors from ancient times?

British people have had the same concerns about immigration many times, think of the 60's and the days of the Empire Windrush, but now all those people are as British as the rest of us.

*****Are they really?

I understand your concerns, but all that has to be done is to stick to our own rule of law, treating anone who comes here fairly while not pandering to their cultural or social whims and sticking to our own values. We should be convincing people to integrate by setting an example, not forcing them to or deriding them for failing to.

****Apparently they are not interested in integrating.
With your attitude, it is you who will be integrating with them..
bhurka and all. Maybe stoning your daughter to death...

[edit on 12-9-2009 by Karilla]

Originally posted by Trams
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

The biggest downfall for the late 20th century, and early 21st century is mass immigration. Not just immigration, but the people who come want to change the place they now call home. Whatever their reasons for coming to the countries, I am all for it. But if you try to get political only with one sect, then your headed for trouble.

I'm sure this century, countries will start implementing much harder immigration codes. Sure some countries need immigration to boost up their economy but their people are becoming the minority.

The mass immigration has been done by design. Can you see that?
Who are the masses? Notice, they are of a different race and a different culture. And they will soon outnumber you. If you do not do as Isabella and Ferdinand, you will be lost.

A quote to be reviewed and compared to current affairs:

"The Jewish People as a whole will be its own Messiah, It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races....and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel... will furnish all the LEADERS without encountering opposition..." Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, p.574

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


Not if I have breath left and if that means an armed struggle, I may have to take up arms. If that day comes even remotely close, I am sure many thousands of English will decide this is a step too far.

Okay..let's not blame the whole Islamic population because of this nutscum...

..you don't blame the whole White British population because of the BNP do you???

reply to post by Next_Heap_With


The BNP are not proposing to impose a totally alien belief and legal structure on the indigenous population of the UK.

reply to post by Freedom ERP


Neither are the Islamic Population...Just this guy and his 10 followers..

The BNP do not want to impose eh?? nationalism..neo-nazis...xenophobia..sounds familiar..ask the BNP..