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Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by phoenix103
Maybe that is the problem. In many other countries, people, companies and buildings are proud to display the national flag and I would not object to the Government doing something serious for once and pass a law that all public and religious must display the Union flag and the local national flag.
So you now call me an Orwellian idiot because I want to be proud of my country and its flag, and want it displayed publically. Try calling many of the Americans on this site Orwellian idiots because their public building display their national flag and many of them are proud to display their national flag.
And I am a fascist because I want buildings to display the Union flag and the local national flag. So being proud of your country and wanting the symbol (the Union Flag) to be displayed and maybe worn is fascist?
And how did those millions of British people who you claim to represent tell you they were ashamed of what I said. Guess what. I can make unsubstantiated claims that millions of English people want our flag to fly on public buildings
Originally posted by TSOM87
We need to start a new National Party! This is becoming crazy, the UK was once a great country with proud Traditions. We need a National party that relly dose stand for its country people!
Lets get this crazy Immigration sorted out KNOW!
Tsom87
Originally posted by rogue21
reply to post by TSOM87
I'm not sure another political party is what we need,
I think we just need to organize ourselves better so that we can put more pressure on who ever is in government regardless.
If nothing else Islam is doing an amazing job of uniting everyone across all religions, race, and social background in mutual fear of what they represent.
Originally posted by TSOM87
Originally posted by Karilla
We are a nation of immigrants, always have been. Saxon, Norman, Viking, Breton, German (The Royals), all have come and been absorbed, even those that came with invasion in mind.
British people have had the same concerns about immigration many times, think of the 60's and the days of the Empire Windrush, but now all those people are as British as the rest of us.
I understand your concerns, but all that has to be done is to stick to our own rule of law, treating anone who comes here fairly while not pandering to their cultural or social whims and sticking to our own values. We should be convincing people to integrate by setting an example, not forcing them to or deriding them for failing to.
[edit on 12-9-2009 by Karilla]
I know the history, i know Immigration has happened though the ages. In the last 15 years Immigration in the country has been out of control. Am not saying Immigration should be stopped full stop. Its should be cut and controlled more. People come here and expect us to change for them. It should be the other way around. If they want to stay in the country they wish to immigrate to, they have to respect and adopt to the law's of the that country. Not bring there Law and demand it be used in the country they have came to.
Thats why we need a strong New National Party, a party that stands for the Country, its Law's, its People, its Traditions. IMO!
Tsom87
[edit on 12-9-2009 by TSOM87]
[edit on 12-9-2009 by TSOM87]
Originally posted by phoenix103
What Orwellian idiot thinks they can impose a demand on one section of the community to tag themselves purely to appease (and it would be unsuccessful) the tiny minded EDL thugs?
You people have no idea what being British is about. I and millions of others are thoroughly ashamed of you.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Originally posted by phoenix103
What Orwellian idiot thinks they can impose a demand on one section of the community to tag themselves purely to appease (and it would be unsuccessful) the tiny minded EDL thugs?
You people have no idea what being British is about. I and millions of others are thoroughly ashamed of you.
Actually i was being sarcastic and ironic.
Get off your high horse and smile a little. Or is it wrong to laugh about things these days?
Sorry for upsetting your PC lifestyle. I'm sorry that you are ashamed to be British, may i suggest moving to Afghanistan - i've heard it's nice there.
[edit on 13-9-2009 by mr-lizard]
You can't pass such a law in a free society. Its as simple as that. Religious buildings are not owned by the state so it has absolutely no right whatsoever to insist people fly it.
You cannot mandate patriotism or loyalty and trying to enforce it by legislation will simply put peoples backs up and it is not the way Britain acts.
No, I call you an Orwellian idiot as you seem to think that you can dictate to others that they should display it to make you happy.
The fact that a flag is not flown does not tell you anything about the beliefs of the person or organisation. So, conversely, forcing people to fly it will do no such thing to counter your concerns.
They are clearly not unsubstantiated claims otherwise millions of people would be flying it, would they not? As this is a free country its easy to deduce that out of choice they do not want to fly it. That doesn't mean they aren't nationalists but that is their business, not yours or that of the state!
Your lack of understanding of the issue coupled with your attempt to divert the argument to what other free people chose to do in another country informs that you are not aware of the fundamental principles of the British state, society, history and culture.
No, selecting one group in society and telling them how they should think and act is by definition fascist. If you support that then you can rightly be attributed as having a fascist outlook.
It has nothing to do with the flag one way or another, its about outlook.
This is all fairly basic stuff so please do not tell me again how its about the flag when it is simple underlying principles you aren't aware of or haven't quite grasped as yet.
Originally posted by phoenix103
Originally posted by TSOM87
We need to start a new National Party! This is becoming crazy, the UK was once a great country with proud Traditions. We need a National party that relly dose stand for its country people!
Lets get this crazy Immigration sorted out KNOW!
Tsom87
Have you considered National Socialism? Seems some have...
Originally posted by phoenix103
Originally posted by TSOM87
Originally posted by Karilla
We are a nation of immigrants, always have been. Saxon, Norman, Viking, Breton, German (The Royals), all have come and been absorbed, even those that came with invasion in mind.
British people have had the same concerns about immigration many times, think of the 60's and the days of the Empire Windrush, but now all those people are as British as the rest of us.
I understand your concerns, but all that has to be done is to stick to our own rule of law, treating anone who comes here fairly while not pandering to their cultural or social whims and sticking to our own values. We should be convincing people to integrate by setting an example, not forcing them to or deriding them for failing to.
[edit on 12-9-2009 by Karilla]
I know the history, i know Immigration has happened though the ages. In the last 15 years Immigration in the country has been out of control. Am not saying Immigration should be stopped full stop. Its should be cut and controlled more. People come here and expect us to change for them. It should be the other way around. If they want to stay in the country they wish to immigrate to, they have to respect and adopt to the law's of the that country. Not bring there Law and demand it be used in the country they have came to.
Thats why we need a strong New National Party, a party that stands for the Country, its Law's, its People, its Traditions. IMO!
Tsom87
[edit on 12-9-2009 by TSOM87]
[edit on 12-9-2009 by TSOM87]
Who has asked you to change? When and in what regard?
Is someone who is born and bred her to immigrant parents also subject to this rhetoric?
Originally posted by TSOM87
There askin my country to adopt Sharia law, i would call that change.
Originally posted by Taikonaut
Originally posted by TSOM87
There askin my country to adopt Sharia law, i would call that change.
This point of Sharia Law needs clearing up.
If you are charged with crimes against the person, property, or state you are tried under Crown Law...the law of the land, and will always remain to be so
however...
Civil Law, which governs contractual disputes such as business deals, marriages, etc...anything where one person or group enters into an agreement with another. This will be stated at the outset of the contract terms to be resolved under any set of laws you wish...whether English, Scottish, Norwegian, Maritime, or Sharia law, and on the condition that is is a fair and above-board contract that all parties agree to be bound by under terms
Shariai will never replace Crown law, period.
and whats all this 'islamic flag' nonsense anyhow...last I heard there wasn't any Islamic Union, nor with a distictive flag like the EU blue banner with circle of stars.
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I happen to think this is a good thing. It makes sense.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
This is seriously affecting my view of ATS. I don't want to see this place becoming a voice to Nazi ideology, but it is quickly becoming that with thread after thread about the BNP/EDF.