reply to post by mental modulator
I absolutely agree with you on people going in for hang nails. We could cut alot out of the system if we remedied that besides turning people
away and we all know you cannot mandate common sense unfortunately, but I agree this is a huge problem in the wider issue.
It has been said that one cannot legislate common sense. I agree with that.
Which is easier to accomplish? Forcefully preventing a child from, say, drinking, or showing them what happens when you drink too much? I can remember
my early years where some children were simply told "you don't drink and that's the end of it", where others were forced to drink a case of beer
straight when they decided to try one. Guess which ones had the drinking problem later on in life? The ones who were given the ultimatum.
Personal experience and personal consequences are the greatest teacher. If someone can get away with abusing the system with no more consequence than
someone berating their actions, they have little incentive to avoid such behavior in the future. But, if they abuse the system and there are personal
tough consequences (such as where I mentioned in my plan, they still have to at least pay a part of that bill), they tend to avoid behavior which
leads to those consequences.
It's called 'tough love' in the modern vernacular. And it works, much better than coddling and enabling self-destructive behavior.
This means proceeds can go directly to services and PROVIDERS, which means doctors and staff. If it were set up properly, the money that would
otherwise go to lawyers, CEOS, adverts, etc... would be directed to the salaries of the people who are actually providing healthcare. I think DOCS
have to profit more than currently and receive an amazing tax break via legislation... All we have to do is change the focus of the profit
by creating profit incentive to motivate the essential players in physically practicing medicine.
OK, I'm a bit confused here. You indicated you wanted a non-profit health industry, but you advocate more money for doctors?
My personal feeling is that everyone has to eat. Lawyers do provide a service when someone is injured, and they have almost as many education
requirements as doctors do. CEOs, well, that's a touchy subject. A good CEO is definitely worth a high salary, but the real problem is that too many
CEOs obtain that high income (which is usually in large part due to bonuses) at the expense of their firm, not as a reward for improving it; but
really, that's a different debate. Advertisers bring in business, and while I am definitely in favor of banning prescription medicine commercials
(why are the pharmaceuticals trying to target someone who cannot by law buy their product without the doctor's OK?), I would be very hesitant to stop
I also tend to believe that doctors pay is pretty much fine, perhaps even a bit on the excessive side already. I would suggest that more than more
money, most doctors might be agreeable to an easier lifestyle with less hassle on paperwork, getting paid more regularly, and being able to do what I
still believe is the primary purpose most of them still become doctors: make sick people better.
I'm apparently reading you wrong, so can you explain a bit more in depth what it is you advocate in this area of the debate?
You see the profit motive of the current system is based upon cutting costs while garnering heftier earnings. Right off the bat you can see a
problem in the equation
That is an inherent characteristic of the Capitalist economic system. In a perfect world it is offset by simple human compassion and a desire for
fairness and equity. Oh, that we lived in such a perfect world!
This is, in my opinion, where government definitely has a role to play, and a role that is not only singularly suited for government, but is
constitutional as well. It is the place of government to ensure, as much as possible, that fraud and deception does not occur in any
We do this already in some areas. Those who have been harmed have the right to bring charges or a lawsuit against the one who harmed them. Doctors
must be licensed in order to practice medicine. Prescription drugs can only be prescribed by doctors. But all these restrictions have one thing in
common: they are enforced by humans. That means that unscrupulous humans are capable of manipulating the system to achieve personal goals above public
I know of no way, other than continual oversight by the public to make sure things run correctly, that will remove any of this human factor. We all
must be watchdogs ready to pounce on the slightest hint of personal interest conflict. Unfortunately, too many people are lazy Basset hounds, and not
enough are Rottweilers.
Healthcare will never cost less or improve in quality if the goal is to make money off of the OPERATING SYSTEM. The shift of money should go to
the DELIVERY SYSTEM...
I could not agree more! Now, what are your thougths on how we can accomplish this?
[edit on 9/9/2009 by TheRedneck]