"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School"

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II

Originally posted by candide
I cant seem to find anything about fire depts in the constitution.

How is it not socialism?

Wow! Something not in the Constitution the Democrats in Washington haven't tried grabbing control of yet! That IS amazing!

I know, right!

Just this afternoon, my dog (who is not in the constitution) tried to run out in the street so I (who happen to be a democrat) had to grab control of him.

Only problem is I wasn't in Washington, im at least 20 minutes away. But you were like 99% right! Thanks for quoting me

reply to post by KleptoPsychotic


sorry, i had to edit myself, i was drifting into the world of vulgar insults.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by jimmyx]

as ever this debate about Obama and his policy choice has decended into another round of 'BUT HES DEM SOCIALISTS!!!!!' its a little pathetic really.

What i really don't get is all you folk who are so dead scared of socialism because Hitler, etc were socialists who did evil things -- - -- How can you possibly then not share the same terrible fear of bush who was after all a CHRISTIAN!!! Need i list the endless string of horror commited almost non-stop for the last 2000years? Everything from Crusades, book burnings, people burnings, inquesitions, witch trials, political scull duggary and tyranic oppressions?!?!?

Doesn't it strike anyone else as bizzare that all the good socialists in history have been forgot or demonized in the USA (apart from Jesus who was possibly the most socialist person in recorded history untill maybe Marx and Engles but is almost entirely worshipped by hardcore capitalists and right wingers today) while every evil Christian has been forgiven and forgotten!

Health Care and Education are as if not more important than a fire and police service - No one wants to go back to the old system where the firemen would only put the fire out if you displayed their seal on your building to prove you'd paid up, ha certainly no one in cali at the moment for sure. Unless you like gangs of uneducated thugs roaming the streets robbing and killing for survival then you'd better give everyone a chance to better themselves, this is what education is. If everyone has access to education then everyone has a chance and a hope, they can better themselves so that they don't need to steal to get by, thus you are safer walking the streets.

It's not a perfect system, not by a long shot - it's not a magic solution to all the worlds ill but it is almost certainly the best place to start - rather than forcing people to obey the decree of some totalitarian state maybe, just maybe, Obama is trying to help create a system in which everyone has hope, in which everyone has a chance - a world which his daughters will be able to walk the streets of his homeland (sorry racists, he's an American) without worrying that massive hords of hopeless and destitute people will be waiting to prey on them round every corner.

Poverty is a trap and Obama has seen this first hand (although i know yes he himself like all previous presidents has never been poor) - certainly at the 'church of hate' he spend so many years visiting he would have seen endless streams of dissatisfied, dissillusioned and depressed people caught within the gears of our ridgedly closed society. I like to think that maybe this is what kept drawing him back, he wanted to understand what drives the destitute -how and why they're stuck in the possition so many of us are in - maybe he was trying to understand the problems in the world, maybe he was trying to find solutions - it's easy to turn your head away when you see something distastefull, so much harder to keep looking untill you see a way of helping.

It's easy to say why some people get involved in politics (because daddy had half started a plan to get rich fighting Saddam) and maybe obama is just the same as all the other powerhungry theives - even then what's to say he doesn't honestly want to help kids get a better education? Sure even the best laid plans can fail (rather than making loads of free money you might bancrupt the nation and make the world hate you) which is why rather than assume everything he does is pure evil we must look cairfully at everything he, and his government, does and put forward any sensible suggestions as to possible outcomes in a timely fashion - the schools which refused to display his video would have done much better had they instead watched his speach THEN picked holes in it's content (remember that they don't need to show it to the kids live) or even better if they had show it to the kids then explained in which areas Obama was wrong and why - i bet most of these schools argue 'teach the controversy' about creation so why not offer them both sides of the political spectrum too?

I can see parents not trusting a partisan party head who has shown himself to be a dishonest master manipulator. I can see people not trusting their kids with that dude.

The creepy 'dear leader' stuff was exposed in the 1st classroom tools:

"Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor?"

"Why is what they say important?"
"..discuss...citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty"

The premise is: what those clowns have to say is "important", thus it's "important" to listen to them. OBEY. Questioning them is not a mentioned option.

"What is the President asking me to do?
"Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? "
"..write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

OBEY.. help dear leader, he is "important", what he says is "important".. document your personal commitment as an affirmation.

..of course "they" scrambled to make read less like transparent cheesy n.korean style propaganda. Obamas people completely ignored the recent public anger directed at politicians.. people are pissed at the govt.. Obama is the so called leader.. so why would anyone seriously think these poorly worded obey & serve Obama messages aimed at kids would be anything but rejected with contempt by the (rightfully) angry segment of the population?

Why is it ok for Celebrities in Disney movies, and MTV, and sleazy music videos to spread their messages of crime, irresponsibility, wasteful consumption and promiscuity, but the President wants to address students of our nation about education and/or duty to your country and he becomes the devil? uur students perform lower academically than many THIRD WORLD NATIONS on earth, they only get anywhere because our GDP is higher and the parents have the opportunity to saturate themselves in another decade of debt. Third world families dont have that option.

Back to the original topic

Its amazing how people supposedly discussing the issues get all caught up in absolutes and labeling to talk about anything BUT the issues.

As far as the health care thing.

If the progressives had their way and passed the public option. Basically just setting a reasonable price that people would be allowed to buy into medicare if they wanted to. A ton of people would take advantage of the program. Not only that, based on the fact that most 'red' states take in more federal dollars vs tax they pay than 'blue' states, republicans would be more likely to take advantage of the option.

Federal Spending Received Per Dollar of Taxes Paid by State

The reason it would be cheaper is simple, medicare overhead is 3%, private insurance averages about 30% cause private companies are out there to make a buck, which is their right.

Unfortunately, it looks like obama, blue dog dems, and a lot of republicans got a ton of money from K street and will most likely kill the public option. Even worse, we will probably get saddled with some kind of abomination where we are mandated to buy private insurance and get pretty much jack #$@& in return.


In other words, there are a ton of real things to talk about that actually reflects what is going on in washington and guess what. It doesn't have a whole lot to do with nazi's and stuff.

Really people?
If your child is stupid enough to "fall under his control" from one public speaking during school then you have failed as a parental figure and so your choices really ought to be disregarded.
Its one speach relax, most children are hopefully smart enough to think for them selfs.
The real thing i think is wrong with this is even children that dont care about seeing the speach or not will still take the free skip day.
This kinda saddens me about our future.

Originally posted by swolleneyeball
Really people?
If your child is stupid enough to "fall under his control" from one public speaking during school then you have failed as a parental figure and so your choices really ought to be disregarded.
Its one speach relax, most children are hopefully smart enough to think for them selfs.
The real thing i think is wrong with this is even children that dont care about seeing the speach or not will still take the free skip day.
This kinda saddens me about our future.

Gee.. why would any reasonable parent be highly suspicious of the air heads who administer their schools, and who inhabit the Fed. Dept of Education and Dear Leader himself..



What does he mean by an internal security force just as powerful as the Military?

What does he mean to get into people's faces?

And can anyone explain if the Obama song that goes sorta nutty about halfway after the little girl does her first solo is so chaotic for any sort of pychological reason?



This originally had a Linkin Park song but You Tube blocked it

reply to post by VinceP1974


The song goes nutty after the solo because it is a round, the kids are holding their notes to long and they are not in time on their entrances. It is not intentionally chaotic, the kids are not professional.

Now on to your videos...

The images of The Nazi's in the last one -

Have you seen any such display organized by the government?

This is important because that stage of totalitarianism does not come over night.
There is NO such force in place, or named, recruiting or active. I have yet to hear about any new facilities to house all these minions and quite frankly many liberals would go nuts fairly quickly if such a thing propagated.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...

Sound the alarm.

The only thing you have to fear, is those of mankind, who seek to instill fear into the hearts of men.

Peace

[edit on 5-9-2009 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by VinceP1974

 

The song goes nutty after the solo because it is a round, the kids are holding their notes to long and they are not in time on their entrances. It is not intentionally chaotic, the kids are not professional.

I recongize that the kids are not a bunch of Whitney Houstons, so I accounted for that when listening, I just never heard a song go so incoherent , especially one sung by kids.

Now on to your videos...

The images of The Nazi's in the last one -

Have you seen any such display organized by the government?

This is important because that stage of totalitarianism does not come over night.
There is NO such force in place, or named, recruiting or active. I have yet to hear about any new facilities to house all these minions and quite frankly many liberals would go nuts fairly quickly if such a thing propagated.

You are exactly right.. It does not come overnight. And since it does not, and since it is gradual, it is important to be vigilent and sound teh alarm if one thinks one is in a slowly boiling pot of water.

Some of us have been educated with a great emphasis on the Founders, and what their ideas were, and what their warnings are.

Some of us, like myself, take their warnings seriously. In fact it's a sign of maturity to believe someone when they try to warn you of something.

How many of us have been warned about something (ie: warned not to date someone becuase she/he is actually nuts but hides it well).. and you think to yourself "nah, that will NEVER happen to me", and then you do the thing you were warned not to.. and pay a heavy price and in the end you wish you had listened to the other person after all.

Welll i've done that enough times to realize that when someone has the credentials to offer a good preemptive warning,, I listen to them.

American Citizens are instructed to be very paranoid about their liberty. They are instructed to not accommodate any threat to it. And so, I act accordingly... and so do millions of other people.

For whatever many Americans today just don't seem to care about anything and believe the Collectivist Utopian nightmare nonsense... those people will have to deal with us.

We're the ones acting from principle. Which is why we are mocked instead of counter-argued.




[edit on 5-9-2009 by VinceP1974]

Originally posted by VinceP1974
American Citizens are instructed to be very paranoid about their liberty. They are instructed to not accommodate any threat to it. And so, I act accordingly... and so do millions of other people.

Know Truth and Right and put away your paranoias and see things as they are.

The President sees the current educational situation deplorable. A man who has taught constitutional law, and was top in his class.

We all might do well to take a lesson or two from the President on what it means to stand and deliver. A probability of the impossible, and a sobering mirror to the injustices and neglect America has allowed on her watch for many decades.

From the racism that I have seen raise its ugly head, to ignorance at levels that I never imagined possible.

The Truth is the Truth is the Truth.
The Truth terminates hate,
and ultimately restores the Truth.

Peace

[edit on 5-9-2009 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by VinceP1974
Some of us, like myself, take their warnings seriously. In fact it's a sign of maturity to believe someone when they try to warn you of something.


[edit on 5-9-2009 by VinceP1974]

You are very right to be sensitive to warnings. All I am saying is make sure that you are tuned in and not being manipulated.

There are some big moves happening out there and getting tied down in trivia is like a magicians trick. Designed to make you look in the wrong place.

I'm one of those "schoolchildren"

let me just say this,

I will rule over all of YOUR schoolchildren in the future.

muhahahhhahahhahahha

But seriously, I think it's going to be pretty easy consider how undereducated most kids are in the US.

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by VinceP1974
American Citizens are instructed to be very paranoid about their liberty. They are instructed to not accommodate any threat to it. And so, I act accordingly... and so do millions of other people.

Know Truth and Right and put away your paranoias and see things as they are.

The President sees the current educational situation deplorable. A man who has taught constitutional law, and was top in his class.

How do you know if he was at the top of his class?

Rather interesting post! indeed.. i do see positive 'pledges' here, like helping others, the sick, planting trees, conserving and all...but.....
Heres the thing, at least to me. These people appear to have never been laid off or booted out the door, from a corporate business. I cant imagine someone wanting to pledge anyting, knowing or realizing later on, the same system that prom,ised them rookm for growth, got rid of them, in favor of cheapr labor, and so the one CEO will have a better life than they ever will.
These are people, citizens pledging...so how come we dont see the CIA pledging to stop murder and drug importing? How come we dont see bernenke pledging to save trees, and promising to run the federal reserve hows its supose to be run? Promising no one will ever be fired or laid off based on race or favortism?
Big business and corprations pedging to stop dumping toxic chemicals, fluorides into the air and waterways? I dont see any of them wanting to step forward and 'pledge' to help clean up that texas sized plastic mas they hlepd create... how about exxon/mobile pledging to never round up amrican citizens and leaving them in a place knonw as cancer alley?
I could go on and on and on.,.use yuor realisitc imiagination. it is a nble thought, for the most part, in that video on page 1..but in reality, thats not how humans are, some but most no.
All i se in thae video, is americans 'pledging' for a change they had no interest in before...and probably wont later intime, and not ONE pledge from the FED and/or government. how about in some citys, the policve pledge to never taser an wheelchair person, or elderly or black person? it just seems once again, the government is tryijng to clean up a mess it helped make or becaem neglegent on monitering..and the only way to do that, is to try and change people, gert em on the bandwagon....
how about the scientists who made H1N1 vaccine, pedge to take their own prduct, and knowing the risks it can and will cause the citizens. i dont trust government medling...thats my point. Unless THEY change, why should I? They ghave helped out the resrt of the world and left htese poor misled souls to fend for themselves..well nto all of them. governemnt still gives our tax money to welfare mothers who let thier kids sell drugs on thes treet corner at night, boosting their minmal income 4 times over, as the neighborhood turns into a WWII looknig zone. All the system tries to do, is hide a neighborhood like that, thats all.
i like change, but i jsut dont have faith anymore, espcially since bush was in office, and has left, and obama not wanting tio investigate 9/11, with the conception it might have been indeed an isnide job. that, thier is NO change..same business as usual, and probably means they have NO intention of 'change'/

Originally posted by Miraj
but 5 years olds? Those children are impressionable, and they will CLING to his image, not knowing any better. What does he expect these children to do? They are still learning to read go dog go and learning their manners.

5 year olds are going through a lot of other things as well. Family problems. Divorces. Being raised by a single parent, living with extended family, moving because of parent's work... Things that can really mess with a kid, especially if they're just starting school as well.

Maybe it's just me, but I I were in that situation, I think it'd be pretty comforting to know that despite the fact that my home life is different from my friends, Obama went through the same things. And he's doing all right for himself.

Originally posted by VinceP1974
How do you know if he was at the top of his class?

I will concede that I made the statement in reference to academics but will gladly correct it with the following:

He went on to become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated from the law school in 1991.

Peace

[edit on 6-9-2009 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by VinceP1974
How do you know if he was at the top of his class?

I will concede that I made the statement in reference to academics but will gladly correct it with the following:

He went on to become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated from the law school in 1991.

Peace

[edit on 6-9-2009 by HIFIGUY]

He was an affirmative action selection for the Law Review.