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"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School"

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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by cranberrydork
Based on the fact that you, nor anyone else, has seen the content of the President's address....your comment I quoted is irrational, unreasoned, and ludicrous. It is utter hogwash that you think you can characterize comments and text you haven't even seen, read, or heard.

Intrepid was exactly right.....


Wow really?... I guess the fact that

Education Secretary Arne Duncan dispatched letters to principals nationwide, boasting, "This is the first time an American president has spoken directly to the nation's schoolchildren about persisting and succeeding in school."


These are the letters which were dispatched to principals accross the nation.
www.washingtontimes.com...


PreK‐6 Menu of Classroom Activities: President Obama’s Address to Students
Across America
Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education
September 8, 2009

standeyo.com...

there is also this one for grades 7-12th.


Grades 7‐12 Menu of Classroom Activities: President Obama’s Address to
Students Across America
Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education
September 8, 2009p/ex]
standeyo.com...

Another red herring by someone who doesn't want to admit what is happening.

The only "irrational, unreasoned, ludicrous utter hogwash" come from people like you who do not have an argument hence resort to this rhetorical BS.




posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by Angus123
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


If you look at the town halls and tea party crazy fests, they spit the word socialist out of their mouths like it was covered in poo. It is being used as a weapon to make people afraid of the president.


I found that it's usually collectivists of some sort who get all hung up over these definitions.

What they fail to understand, which is odd because they're so superior to everyone else, is that we can't predict the future.

We dont know the exact implementation of Collectivism that Hussien is aiming for...
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Uw, Uw, pick me, pick me !!!

Lets see what kind Socialisms Obama practices!



The RECOVERY ACT-

open bid contracts

the STATES and COUNTIES are the executors

AS IN REPUBLIC...

Why would a "socialist" put his name on something that is based on open COMPETITION and give the leave the ultimate contractual decisions to local and state officials? EVERY single contract to be SUB contracted to PRIVATE entities.

SMELLS LIKE -----


CAPITALISM

www.fbo.gov...





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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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Based on the fact that you, nor anyone else, has seen the content of the President's address....your comment I quoted is irrational, unreasoned, and ludicrous.


I do not think anyone needs to see exactly what he will be saying. The reaction against Obama speaking to the kids indicate a very loud vote of no confidence and fear of his administration. I am not a republican and I am appalled at the lack of debate, transparency and the speed with which we have been hit with 1000 page pre-written bills that will have a major impact on this country. Bills that will cost us money we no longer have and cripple our economy so we can not recover. I certainly to not remember this type of fear and outrage when the last Democratic president spoke to kids and that tells you how much Obama is feared.

President Clinton "Chats" with Millions of American Students, 12,000 Schools Nationwide



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by Animal

I know how hard it is to wake up from this dogmatic slumber of political ideology, but is it essential if 'we the people' are going to reclaim our government and country from those in power.


Perhaps you haven't noticed it yet, but this "political ideology" which you don't want but people like me subscribe to is the same "political ideology" by which the forefathers FUNDED THIS NATION...

The forefahters didn't want the United States to be ruled by England, or to be the same to England or any other European country.

BTW, in case you didn't know JAPAN has one of the highest, if not the highest suicide rate in the world.

JAPAN is also a nation which in some ways is still following the old ways.

BTW, we can see through your BS, you claim that rightwing sources are biased, but you accept the claims of many in the lefwing, that all of what we say is nonsense even though we post information directly from the sources, and even some lefwing websites agree that the Obama administration is doing worse than the Bush administration and is trying to implement dictatorial rules.

But of course you also do not accept those "leftwing sources" which are pointing the obvious on what the Obama administration wants to do.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


So you threw up (yes, I mean vomited) the "Menu for Classroom Activities" as some defense that this address is "indoctrination"? You mean those documents created by the Dept. of Education?

You mean those documents that are not the content of the Presidential address?

You mean to shrug off your indefensible position with that lame tactic of veering off to a different subject? There's no red herring involved here at all....what is involved is your intransigent need to oppose anything suggested by viewpoints that don't perfectly align with your own.

I have news for you.....it isn't very flattering on you.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by cranberrydork]

[edit on 5-9-2009 by cranberrydork]



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, in case you didn't know JAPAN has one of the highest, if not the highest suicide rate in the world.


Heh? Speaking of red herrings.

What does that have to do with this? Or is it more of the unintelligible whargarbble so many on the Internet use as "discussion?'

Good lord.....



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by cranberrydork
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


So you threw up (yes, I mean vomited) the "Menu for Classroom Activities" as some defense that this address is "indoctrination"? You mean those documents created by the Dept. of Education.
[edit on 5-9-2009 by cranberrydork]


Any reasonable person understands the motivation of this administration to engage in propagandizing. That is what this group of Leftists do.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Perhaps you haven't noticed it yet, but this "political ideology" which you don't want but people like me subscribe to is the same "political ideology" by which the forefathers FUNDED THIS NATION...


Not disagreeing with your post or your point, just wanted to point out the 'freudian' slip on the part in caps... Sounds like a new conspiracy theory!


To the point of the thread in general, I have no problem with any seated President speaking to students to encourage them to study and learn, as long as POLITICS is completely left out of it! There will be plenty of time for them to choose for themselves what values to hold as their own. Politics, like religion, have no place in our school systems.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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What I find most distressing about this thread is that parents are now making a children's school and making it a political fight zone among parents.

Children do not need to be brought into their parents political fray. Parents truly interested in freedom will explain both sides of any issue if asked. To bring adult matters into a child's world is robbing them of what short childhoods they have. Your creating an uncertainty and fear in a child's age where it doesn't belong.
And creating your own indoctrination.

True freedom means letting your child decide politics for themselves, when the time comes. It means letting them choose their own ideals and religions. My parents never discussed politics with us, but they taught us to do our own research and make up our own minds about any subject. And if we asked, we were given both sides.

You know what the beautiful thing is about presidents? Their time is limited. If they were able to have so much power to change things so much, the beauty of our constitution is that we have the ability to change it back.

We have had 43 individuals serve as president. They have been of both parties, 43 different sets of ideals and ideas, of plans and promises and lots of decisions. They have been the good, the bad and the ugly.

Now matter who they are what they have done, the United States is still the great place that it is today, despite what fear mongers want you to believe.

To incite fear about a speech of one president is giving them more power then they deserve and don't have. Because if that speech was so bad, then they can easily be voted out next election. But all the voodoo being created about it is instilling a fear in people that this person has abilities that they don't really have. It is creating an entity that isn't there. And generating fear and uncertainty in a young mind. Shame on you.


And that could easily backlash. It is too early to tell what this president is or isn't capable of. History, like all presidents, will or will not tell. Some are still debated to this day. Some we will never know. So if you instill a thought process that turns out to be not true either way, you then create a distrust in yourself, and your abilities to parent. You instill too much and you could receive a whiplash later on.

I don't know what ATSers obsession is with stereotyping all of government and corporations as the boogeyman. I don't know if it is leftover bible school teachings that there is evil out there. When we, as conspiracy theorists, try to find the unusual and think out of the box, and not stereotype anything, brand all of government as an evil entity, you might as well be a flat earther.

I have lived near the beltway a long time. I hear inside stories.Guess what, the members of government are a sampling of the population. Some are good, some are bad, some are brutal, some have good hearts. The only thing they don't have like the regular population is a fashion sense. But that is a thread for another time.


They are humans. Who make human mistakes and human decisions with human ambitions. Just like all of us.

To think they are capable of too much good or two much evil is again giving them superhero powers that they are not capable of.

You are trying to place all your mistrust and blame on one single group. It is like those who think all Muslims are terrorists.

The federal government is the largest employer of 1.2 million people. Not including the postal service.Many deal with these leaders. If they were really so bad, people would jump off that bandwagon like rats off a sinking ship.

I also can't help at the hypocrisy that so many parents are rallying against a president speaking to their children and "indoctrinating" them. Yet deny those same children and their parents a right to health care and a healthy life.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by cranberrydork

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
.....and another is indoctrinating children into the leftwing propaganda.


Based on the fact that you, nor anyone else, has seen the content of the President's address....your comment I quoted is irrational, unreasoned, and ludicrous. It is utter hogwash that you think you can characterize comments and text you haven't even seen, read, or heard.

Intrepid was exactly right.....



although i agree with you, don't underestimate the media in giving these people plenty of airtime. i think rational people should be turning their disgust back onto the media, simply because they know better. obviously ratings are what they are going for, but it is curious that supposed conspirecy theories that have "dots that can be connected", and serious questions that have be left unanswered, do not get the massive play of media time that the "birthers", "death campers" and "socialism nuts" recieve. i think it is time for people to start realizing that we DO NOT have a liberal press or even the general media in a larger sense.

example:
randi rhodes of air america (liberal) radio, released a study the other day, showing that on the radio 91% of all talk show broadcasts were right-wing.
air america has been taken off the air in chicago and new york, 2 pretty liberal cities, where the demographics would suggest a huge audience. she was able to show that the ratings were higher for her show, than what was put in to replace her. rating numbers don't lie, and there is no way that with the huge voting bloc for democrats in these 2 highest populated cities in the country, that radio stations wouldn't have higher ratings, resulting in higher advertising buys from businesses, and those results would mean more profits for the staions, and companies themselves. this rather simple logic leads me to believe that there is a definite agenda, far different than what we are lead to believe.

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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by Angus123
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


If you look at the town halls and tea party crazy fests, they spit the word socialist out of their mouths like it was covered in poo. It is being used as a weapon to make people afraid of the president.


I found that it's usually collectivists of some sort who get all hung up over these definitions.

What they fail to understand, which is odd because they're so superior to everyone else, is that we can't predict the future.

We dont know the exact implementation of Collectivism that Hussien is aiming for... so because he shows behavior patterns that could fall under numerous flavors of Collectivism, he is inconsistently labeled. But that's his fault for not just being honest about who he is. It's not our fault for trying to figure it out.

All forms of collectivism are Leftist .

Mussilini formulated Fascism out of marxism and American progressivism as the main economic components.

Socialism, Communism, National Socialism.. all Collectivisms.

That Communism wanted claim to be seen as the only legitimate Leftist movement started the propaganda machine that falsely portrayed Germany and Italy as Right-Wing.

But they're all Left wing.

Things like racism and nationalism I believe are transcendent

'm amused by people who get all technical about socialism. You see it a lot on here. "Oh you dont even knwo what the word means"

Well gee.. I dont think we have a billion words to choose from in order to describe a system that is unfolding in front of us but yet none of us are being told , explicitly, where the destination is.

So we have to more or less guess and/or use terms of convenience.

More normal folks have no problem understanding what socialism means when used in a context.

The few words we have to choose from are usually historical words describing very specific national systems. So of course many will not have a totally valid definition to describe anything here.

We're supposed to have liberty anyway. We're not supposed to have a word to describe Federal tyranny.

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Federal tyranny...? Are you serious with that? After everything the last administration did, NOW there's tyranny from the government?

You're not concerned about real tyranny at all. You're concerned that the right is out of power, as evidenced by your overuse of the words collectivist and leftist in your post.

Clinton had so many people that hated him with a passion. The actors this time around are all the same, except Clinton has been replaced by a black man, and oh... my... god... the RIGHT is in an ultra-tizzy.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974
That is what this group of Leftists do.


It's what they all do genius. Nobody has a lock on that tactic......private corps, governments, NGO's, entertainment.......all of 'em......

But you cannot determine what is in the message.....until you actually see, read, or hear the message. Then, and only then, can it be parsed, discussed, and either accepted or rejected. Making a decision either way, before reviewing the material, is close-minded, unreasonable, and childish.

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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Lies? really? I guess it doesn't matter to you either that even some leftwing webites actually agree with what many of us are saying, and we have posted the information for all to see, that this is all a lie?...

SO, no offense but some years ago you made up your mind and at a time when we had many members from all sides of politics you agreed with the lie that "the right had taken over the website", when we were simply stating our own ideas, and conspiracies just like every other member from every other political ideology has been doing.

You want us, because of your encounter and discussion with one man in DC, to dismiss the fact that this president has been far worse than the last, and is in fact implementing laws, and policies which are even more radical, more intrusive, and more oppressive than any other put forth by the Bush administration?

Why is it that you don't even believe the truth when it is presented directly from the horse's mouth?



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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by cranberrydork

You mean to shrug off your indefensible position with that lame tactic of veering off to a different subject? There's no red herring involved here at all....what is involved is your intransigent need to oppose anything suggested by viewpoints that don't perfectly align with your own.

I have news for you.....it isn't very flattering on you.


Wow, you mean to say the Education secreatary sending this has NOTHING to do with Obama's speech?...


BTW, i don't need any "flattering" from people like you, more so when you used nothing more than rhetorical nonsense to try to dismiss the concerns of many Americans, INCLUDING people from all sides of politics, and not just the "right"....


[edit on 5-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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You want us because of your encounter and discussion with one man in DC to dismiss the fact that this president has been far worse than the last, and is in fact implementing laws, and policies which are even more radical, more intrusive, and more oppressive than any other put forth by the Bush administration?


So, you admit that the last president was bad, try to justify it by saying that the current one is worst, and yet fail to realize that they are all part of the same agenda?

I have a secret for you. The president is nothing more than a political figure. This is the same washington that has been in office for the last 60+ years. The only thing that's changed is the R and D in front of their names.

But let's keep finger pointing. We've seen how well that works.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Monger

I have a sneaking suspicion that it isn't his white side.


BS, i have relatives who are black, and I treat them like every other member in my family.

Oh and BTW, a couple of my friends in Wyoming are from Zimbawe, two friends, who happen to be black, and are engineers like me.

This is nothing more than an excuse by people like you who have no argument to defend "your saviour."


[edit on 5-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Wow, you mean to say the Education secreatary sending this has NOTHING to do with the Obama's speech?...


No, I don't mean to say that...... What I am saying is....

*of course, you already know that....your just employing a classic evasion tactic....fail to answer the question and instead, attempt to turn it into something ridiculous*

Those suggestions from the Department of Education......are not the content of the President's address. And I defy you to pull anything from the latest versions of those documents that in any way can be described as "socialist indoctrination."

The OP's point has been made. Actually, many person's points have been made. Knee-jerk, reactionary dogma has replaced "using your brains."



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 02:02 PM
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I personally don't see the big deal about any of this. If the parents want their children to stay home, it is their right and their children. Sorry, State, but you don't win this round.

If the parents want to let their children watch it or if the parents wish to have their children sit out of school, it's their prerogative.

If parents who are not allowing their children to watch the video due to ridiculous reasons or justified reasons, it's their right. If the parents are letting their children watch it because they are entranced with Obama or because they feel a sitting president speaking to their children is a good thing, it's their right.

I don't feel the parents should be criticized for deciding what to do with their children either way.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by cranberrydork
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The OP's point has been made. Actually, many person's points have been made. Knee-jerk, reactionary dogma has replaced "using your brains."




Actually, the only ones who obviously are not "using their brains" happen to be people like you....

When the president has shown to want to implement laws, and taxes having to do with CO2 and the hoax of "Global Warming", when the president and his administration have been talking about Compulsory Community Service, even by children and then children are being asked "what do you think the president wants you to do?" among other "indoctrination techniques. What do you think the children are going to say, and believe?

Use your brain a little bit.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by Angus123


Federal tyranny...? Are you serious with that? After everything the last administration did, NOW there's tyranny from the government?

You're not concerned about real tyranny at all. You're concerned that the right is out of power, as evidenced by your overuse of the words collectivist and leftist in your post.

Clinton had so many people that hated him with a passion. The actors this time around are all the same, except Clinton has been replaced by a black man, and oh... my... god... the RIGHT is in an ultra-tizzy.


"Racist" - Universal term when a Leftist has nothing other than slander on their mind.

And take a class in logic. Administration B being tryanical is not a function of Administration A. And in case you haven't noticed Administration A is gone. Duh.

I can see why you have to resort to slandering people..such shallow and stupid thinking is not capable of much else.




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