"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School", page 1

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Topic started on 4-9-2009 @ 11:19 AM by Animal

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This is a great story. Not because it reveals the nuttier-then-squirrel-poop nature of republicans but because it highlights one of the crux of the problem of political discourse in the USA today.

Lets begin at the beginning:

If there is anybody out there who still doesn't believe that the conservative media will attack President Obama no matter what he does, consider this: Right-wingers are telling children to skip school as a protest against Obama's encouragement of students to stay in school.

Well I am sure there are, and I am equally sure that let-wingers will attack right-wingers for just about any cause. This is what our problem is. We are like spoiled valley-girl-blonds fighting over whose hair is 'done right'.

So Glenn Beck and his fellow tinfoil hat-wearers sprang into action. Beck went off on his "indoctrination" rant, warning of secret private armies (no, he isn't worried about Blackwater -- it's the thought of English majors signing up to help teach people how to read that keeps him up at night).

What? Indoctrination? Perhaps we should just put an end to education all together in this nation? I mean apparently we are getting close, right?

WorldNetDaily said Obama's planned speech "raises the specter of the Civilian National Security Force" and promoted comparisons to Hitler's youth brigade. Mark Steyn said the speech is part of a "cult of personality," though he did admit it isn't on the scale of Saddam Hussein's.

NewsBusters' Mark Finkelstein alerted his followers ... one day you're urging kids to get good grades, and the next you're ordering mass executions. Duh.

More fear and hyperbole anyone? Personally I am full and any more high calorie, super sugary intake will cause projectile vomiting. But I speak only for my self...

ome conservative media didn't simply complain about Obama's dastardly efforts to promote hard work and learning among America's schoolchildren. No, they came up with a solution: Children should stay home from school.

Radio host Tammy Bruce asked "TownHall Patriots" to help organize "PASS Day Picnics" -- that's "Parentally Approved Skip School Day," for the uninitiated. In a blog post under a close-up photo her hand holding a gun, Bruce added that "Urkel" -- that's her pet name for Obama; get it? -- is going to "make a grab for your kids" and that he is "setting us on fire."

And we have reached a new level of absurdity.

WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEP!

Yes, lets teach our kids that education is some how a BAD thing. So bad and evil that it must be protested. EEEGADS, as if their hormone riddled brains are not already confused enough. The war between the right and left needs to end people. we are presently in mid spiral down the crapper and once we pass the event horizon of crap there will be little chance of coming back.

This article picks on the right for being massive baffons, but it is the same eon the left. Our country is getting slowly strangled and WE are the ones doing the chocking.

Kind of makes me sad.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:26 AM by Miraj

reply to post by Animal

Well. After seeing that I pledge video. I would be afraid to let me child see Obama speak. While I realize this was done by the USA Network, and probably not officially linked to the white house, things coming out are disturbing.

By the way, I do not believe this is at all republicans that would do this.. as I fall somewhere in the lines of between quite a few ideologies, and republicanism is probably the least apparent (At least THEIR version of a republican.)

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:37 AM by getreadyalready

I am one of the Conservatives that is extremely suspicious of Obama, but I had to Star and Flag for the witty title!!

I also don't see anything wrong in the spirit of Obama's challenges! Our school children need to be thinking about what they can do to help this country in the future. They need to be considering community services. They need to be considering military service. They need to believe that college is necessary and attainable!

Obama scares me, but I think the message is good! As long as these things don't become mandatory, and as longs as the rhetoric doesn't slide into the "serve me" rather than "serve your country" then I see no problem with it!!

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:41 AM by getreadyalready

reply to post by Animal

I would also like to add, that Obama's Inaugaration Speech was one of my all-time favorites. AND, that even if his address to the school children gets a little wacko, I know that my kids are intelligent, and that they have good backgrounds, and morals! I encourage them to take all of this in, and draw their own conclusions!

There is no way, that some politician is going to "indoctrinate" my kids with one speech!

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:42 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Animal
"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School"

Um ... no.

Progressive Examiner - Big Brother Alert. Sorry, but Obama's planned addres to all the nationsschoolchildren is creepy

Before the speech, students are instructed to read books about Barack Obama. Teachers are asked to ask students “Why do you think he wants to speak to you?” referring to the President.

During the speech, students should think about the following “What is the President asking me to do?” and “What specific job is he asking me to do?” among other things.

After the speech, the questions that students should ponder include “Are we able to do what President Obama asks up to do?”

I’m sorry, but I don’t want the President of the United States asking or telling the kids of the United States to do anything. This isn’t 1950s China.

So Obama has the kiddies reading propaganda books about him. Do they contain the truth about the lies he's told? Do they tell the truth about his nefarious underworld connections? Do they tell the truth about the 20 years he spent in an anti-white cult? I'm sure they don't.

As the article says .. welcome to 1950's China.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:43 AM by Dr Love

Something about history and repeating it comes to mind, and each time they said, "can't happen to us.....no way!".

It's a historical blueprint, and it's worked many times.

Peace

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:47 AM by marg6043

To begin with, I will say that we don't need the president to remind children how necessary education is for their future.

What we need is the President to stop supporting the wasteful trend he is engaging on keeping the wealthy in the nation affluent, with tax payer money and his stimulus and bail outs and start investing and stimulating the future of this nation our schools and children.

Something that he and those before him has completely forgotten.

That is what a president should do, actions no just promises and words of hope

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:49 AM by jibeho

reply to post by Animal

Thank God Obama has supporters like you. Keep doing your work while the rest of the nation realizes what is really happening to our country. Just keep his ego going long enough so that he doesn't realize that the nation is turning on him.

One small step at a time, just like he promised he would do in his campaign. He is trying to start with the children. Don't forget that this school scheme is part of HR 1388 which has passed. This school address is set to get things in motion.

www.govtrack.us...

There are many school districts throughout the nation that WILL NOT show this address.

www.google.com...

The list goes on and on in Texas, Indiana, Missouri, Ohio, Iowa

Watch Obama's poll numbers plummet as our nation reaches a 26 year unemployment high of 9.6%. The man of promise and change has not even come close to doing anything for anyone other than those elite few who got him elected. ACORN, Apollo Alliance, etc etc They are all cashing in now.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:49 AM by getreadyalready

reply to post by FlyersFan

I’m sorry, but I don’t want the President of the United States asking or telling the kids of the United States to do anything. This isn’t 1950s China.

Seriously???

I have said plenty of times that Obama is scary, but who in their right mind doesn't want the POTUS asking the kids of the US to do anything?

I want my president to expect the most out of our kids! I want him to be disappointed when any child fails, or drops out, or can't read! I want the bar set extremely high for all the students!! I am tired of seeing an "All Chinese" Physics department at my University! I am tired of seeing all the foreign students in the Library, while the American students are getting trashed and passing around STD's!!

In some of my Chemical Engineering classes, the best students were Female, Muslim, exchange students from Iran!! That should be a little more unsettling than a President asking the kids to do some community service!!

Are we so politically divided that we can't see any good coming from this? Why don't we let the good happen, and then draw the line at some point before it becomes Socialism or Naziism? We are smart, our kids are smart, surely we can have the best of the best of this?

Edit to add a true story:
I asked one of the Iranian girls why they came to the US if they disagreed with our lifestyle so much. Her response was, "We want our country to be great! We buy the best and cheapest rice from China, and we buy our Educations from the West! We don't have to agree with your lifestyle to see a good deal and capitalize on it!"

[edit on 4-9-2009 by getreadyalready]

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:50 AM by Animal

Originally posted by FlyersFan
So Obama has the kiddies reading propaganda books about him. Do they contain the truth about the lies he's told? Do they tell the truth about his nefarious underworld connections? Do they tell the truth about the 20 years he spent in an anti-white cult? I'm sure they don't.

As the article says .. welcome to 1950's China.

Scared your children are not capable of 'critical thought'?

1950's China's education was based on 'rote memorization'.

Trying to draw parallels between us and a communist country is is fine if there are clear parallels to draw, which in this case there are not.

But we digress. Notice that we can not even focus on the topic set forth in the OP which is the childish and poor manner in which we attempt to discredit one another.

We need to stop letting the gate keepers keep us locked in debate over non-issues.

This is a non-issue.

Ba-ba black and white sheep wake the frack up.

EDIT TO ADD:

Please try to read what this post is about. If you need to continue your political conflicts go else where.

I know it is hard to let go of the lines you have chosen to tow but this is not the thread to do it in.

There are plenty of opportunities for political disagreements all over ATS, please don't derail my thread and make it just one more of those obvious wastes of time.

READ THE OP AND RESPOND TO IT. please.

[edit on 4-9-2009 by Animal]

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:51 AM by BlackOps719

All partisan bickering aside, I have a genuine question for the Obama supporters.

Does it not seem a tad bit creepy that this man wishes to address our 5 years olds directly? Is that not even a little bizarre considering the current political turmoil and overall climate?

Im sure I will get raked over for pointing it out, but there once was another leader took special interest in addressing the direct indoctrination of his nations children, in order to promote a strong and educated young nation of doers and followers.

They eventually came to be known as the Hitler Youth.

Now before any of you Obama fan boys blow a hole in your shorts, Im not saying Obama IS Hitler....Im simply saying a lot of his actions and ideas are very Hitler like at their most basic point.

Yes...the fact that he wishes to address the nations children directly should be a red flag with parents, because it has already been done before and it ended poorly.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:52 AM by BostonBill99

reply to post by Dr Love

Well stated, Dr., and props to Flyers Fan, too. The White House has Communists within, plain and simple. This is step one to indoctrination.

We will bury your grand-children without firing a shot - Nikita Kruschev, 1960

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:53 AM by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by getreadyalready
I have said plenty of times that Obama is scary, but who in their right mind doesn't want the POTUS asking the kids of the US to do anything?

I believe you've answered your own question.

Nice posts in this thread.

Great thread, Animal. S&F It really shows the "nuttier than squirrel poop" nature of the opposition to our president encouraging our kids to excel in school, as MANY past presidents have done.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 11:54 AM by Remixtup

Exactly where is this line we cross into socialism/nazism? Did the germans know when they crossed it?

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:04 PM by intrepid

Originally posted by BlackOps719
All partisan bickering aside, I have a genuine question for the Obama supporters.

Does it not seem a tad bit creepy that this man wishes to address our 5 years olds directly? Is that not even a little bizarre considering the current political turmoil and overall climate?

Im sure I will get raked over for pointing it out, but there once was another leader took special interest in addressing the direct indoctrination of his nations children, in order to promote a strong and educated young nation of doers and followers.

They eventually came to be known as the Hitler Youth.

There was another too:

Remember 911? Don't see an jack booted kids after that. He just wants to promote education, which is the most important thing imo.

I'm not an Obama fan but I am a fan of logic and I'm seeing little here. What does Acorn or any of the other things that's been brought up in this thread have to do with the topic anyways? He want to talk to the kids about the importance of education. And we get this? If he walks on water and brings peace to the middle east you guys would still complain about him. THAT'S not logical.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:07 PM by Miraj

reply to post by BlackOps719

Five year olds is what I worry about.

I dont think it is so bad that the president might give a speech to High schoolers (and MAYBE middle school)

but 5 years olds? Those children are impressionable, and they will CLING to his image, not knowing any better. What does he expect these children to do? They are still learning to read go dog go and learning their manners.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:09 PM by finemanm

This is what B. Hussain Obama wants to teach our children: To pledge to be a servant to the President. You don't believe me, watch this PSA with all the cool celebrities telling us all the beautiful things they are pledging (except an allegiance to the Flag and the Republic for which it stands).

2:43 into the vid: To by a hybred.

3:18 into the vid: Pledge to Obama.

3:54 into the vid: Pledge to Obama.

YouTube Link

This should make you sick.

Here is some more:

www.ed.gov...

The above link is to the Dept. of Ed. website. It has suggested lesson plans to connection with the president's speech. They revised it after the up roar.

It used to ask:

Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals." Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to "build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama."

This is Leninist indoctrination.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:09 PM by Remixtup

reply to post by intrepid

Bush wasnt speaking to the nations children directly, only that one classroom.
he also never said we we need a civilian security force just as powerful, just as strong as the u.s. army. I will teach my children the importance of education. IMHO the abomination known as "the dept of education" should be abolished.

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:10 PM by getreadyalready

reply to post by Remixtup

Exactly where is this line we cross into socialism/nazism? Did the germans know when they crossed it?

That is the $10T question!

Obviously some think we already crossed it. I think we may have crossed it decades ago when we created a "consumer based" economy, and when we established the Fed!

Currently though, I think Obama's education plans, and community projects will actually play into the resistance better than into the State! Getting people educated and active in their communities, and connecting with one another, will foster the movement we need to overturn the Corporate-Socialist Elite that is the real problem. I highly doubt that is the motivation for the speech, and "indoctrination" may be a secret agenda, but I honestly believe that will backfire tremendously!!

reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:10 PM by intrepid

reply to post by Miraj

Why does that matter? They will still be in elementary school that last time he'll be up for election.

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