Demonic Video Games

ok, I am sold...will buy it for my next game.


Except for the fag hunter thing, the rest is fair game parody. Certainly not a game for kids and should a kid be playing it, then shame on the parents for not giving a crap how their child is raised.

still have a issue with the fag launcher...and actually not because of what it is doing, but the name itself...shoulda been named queen hunter, being gay is not a choice, but being a queen is :-)


kitten launcher sounds great though....wonder if they will mod it to include other virtual domestics...such as the chicken crossbow or rocketdog launcher...ooh, a snapping pitbull jetting at you, bites you, then explodes...

-writes it down for suggestions-

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[edit on 24-8-2009 by SaturnFX]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

Do you see the contradiction in opposing those real-life-tyrants behavior but then later glorifying it in a game?

No.

We glorify the game of Chess, which is a game of war and conquest, to slaughter the enemy, and destroy their rule for complete domination. All games since the dawn of time have been about exercising our tyranical nature in a harmless medium...what we oppose is when people express the darkness everyone has in a way that harms or imposes on others unwillingly.

There is no irony, no contradiction, mankind is neither pure good nor pure evil, both are to be expressed, and frankly, if given the choice, I would prefer everyone get out their darkest desires in some inconsequential game of chess, or postal 2, than to actually start outletting in society

This has of course been said repeatedly in this thread...so meh.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, but once the thought police decide to stop things that are indecent to play, thats the time I do hope everyone bands together and overthrows the actual tyrants.

Ratings, yes. Ban, no.

I've been following along this thread and I find it disturbing that some people seem to find that viewing of fake violence equates becoming desensitized to real violence.

Not only that but I find it further disturbing that some people equate violence to mental instability. We are, by nature, violent. No one is immune to this. Violence is not unnatural. Nothing that humans can conceive of and do is unnatural. Violence does not equal evil. Nor does it necessarily equal bad or even wrong.

I feel incredibly insulted when a read statements indicating that people who enjoy violent video games or other violent media are mental defectives, are evil, are insane.

There are many various types of violence and painting them all with the broad brush of 'evil' (or even wrong) is limiting the discussion and missing the point.

The psychotic experiencing a beak from reality, committing a crime isn't even legally responsible for his or her actions. Is this evil? No. Is it criminal? Only when judged through the veil of standards of society. To be true, the word used should be 'tragic'.

Note that these are rare people. Considering the population of the planet and humanity's natural inclinations towards violence, we are doing remarkably well.

People playing video games for entertainment purposes are not going to be 'corrupted' by said games. As often stated, if someone is going to become a violent criminal after a video game, they are likely to be just as violent before.


Most people will never commit seriously violent acts. And most violent acts that are committed are acts such as assault, robbery, gang violence, which have a strong social component which is more to blame than a violent media.

It's insulting to insist that people are corrupted or unduly influenced by games and movies. They are an outlet. They are a modern form of ritualized violence, to take the place of the real thing. As are sports.


The thing is, by saying media like this shouldn't exist not only do you insult the intelligence and compassion of people who play these games, but you presume that they haven't the means to think for themselves. It is oppressing.


I am not evil, and you will find few people who have spent as much time trying to understand violence.

Originally posted by starscape
I've been following along this thread and I find it disturbing that some people seem to find that viewing of fake violence equates becoming desensitized to real violence.

Here's an experiment: Imagine a sour lemon.

Notice the mouths response to that?

Imagined stuff is taken for just as real as real stuff by the subconscious. This is why change in physiolgy, brain function, heart rate, presperation and emotion can easily be measured by anything imagined or seen on a screen.

If movies/games would not change ones physiological and psychological state, nobody would be viewing them

Implying that there is no effect is....disinformation.


[edit on 24-8-2009 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Here's an experiment: Imagine a sour lemon.

Notice the mouths response to that?

Hrm. My mouth didn't respond so much as my mind to the tautological nature of the statement. I know of no sweet, bitter or salty lemon varieties, thus perplexity.

But, I must admit I did think of the huge bag of lemons in the fridge and a piqued desire to make up a batch of lemonade. They've been sitting there too long and they might go bad soon if I don't use them.

To make the physiological response to imagination even more blatant...imagine sex.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Skyfloating]

Its insane the amount they of crap they put in the games.

Is it condidtioning~? is it desensitistion>? do they want people to atcually act like this.

I was playing GOW online the other day and i sunndenly realise how gruesome it is, and what it would actually be like to see that in real life, or be on the recieving end. And it does happen, in war, and made me realise what a terrible world we live in , and how evil our goverments can be, sending in people to do these things...

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by starscape
I've been following along this thread and I find it disturbing that some people seem to find that viewing of fake violence equates becoming desensitized to real violence.

Here's an experiment: Imagine a sour lemon.

Notice the mouths response to that?

Imagined stuff is taken for just as real as real stuff by the subconscious. This is why change in physiolgy, brain function, heart rate, presperation and emotion can easily be measured by anything imagined or seen on a screen.

If movies/games would not change ones physiological and psychological state, nobody would be viewing them

Implying that there is no effect is....disinformation.


[edit on 24-8-2009 by Skyfloating]

You are correct, it is disingenuous to insist that there is no response. Just watch a (good) horror movie or drama and you can feel the tension.

But we do know, as adults, and we learn as children and young people, that there is a difference between fantasy and reality.

Watching a movie, anything from a chick flick to torture porn you will feel a response, but in healthy individuals we know that watching someone fall in love and have sex isn't the same as experiencing the real thing ourselves, and watching someone get hacked to bits isn't the same as seeing the real thing, either.

We make a distinction, based on the fact that we are thinking, feeling people and understand that what we play or watch isn't how it would be in real life.

We need a certain level of desensitization to violence if we are going to navigate this world and remain mentally stable. Not to say we should feel apathy, if you think I'm going in that direction. And while I support anarchy, I do understand that laws are the best way of keeping society running safe and smooth.

I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating the use of real violence on real people. we understand that there is a difference, we understand that there are laws and consequences and we understand why. At the risk of speaking for the masses, fake violence is fun. It is, as you said, physically and emotionally stimulating, energizing, challenging and amusing--because we know there are no real life consequences, no danger, no risk to life and limb and no reality.

One of the tasks of childhood is untangling the web of fantasy and reality and I think that gaming is a good proving ground for such. Note a poster just above this talking about how disturbing GOW was.

And yes, I will admit that unwell people can be inspired to commit crimes by things they may see in games. And movies and books and music and the news. But to state that healthy people that enjoy fake violence are mentally defective, evil, etc, to paraphrase a few responses in this thread, is insulting and incorrect.

Have you ever played GTA before? I love the game, but I'm not about to go off and blow peoples heads off.
Violence is not a new concept. Violence did not start with video games, violence has been around since old times- the colleseums, for example. People used to pay to get in and watch the blood flow. People used to picnic outside civil war battles to see if they could see the blood. Violence lives inside all of us, and we should be thankful as humans that we have evolved past the point where we are only satisified with real violence. We don't have to go to Rome and watch gladiators get ripped apart by lions, we can watch Mel Gibson or who ever do it.

Each human has a little beast that monster inside of them that craves for destruction and chaos. Some people can control it well, feed it so it never grows hungry and ignore it so it so it doesn't consume you. You have to give it a steady diet of nutritonal violence to keep it from leaking out into the real world.

No one should show the original poster this:
www.blizzard.com...

Oops. Damn keys get in the way. Diablo III all the way!

Watch the movie

they did make a movie based on the game, of course it's by the wacko director Uwe Boll that has a bad reputation.

but in the movie he makes fun of himself, and the Postal movie is really funny, it makes fun of the director, and the genre killing everyone and playing catch with parts and the drug culture.

Just like the video game is supposed to be over the top in almost a parody of itself and it's genre like grand theft auto, or even the new games.

Left 4 Dead 2 will be fun since it introduces melee weapons and can saw off bodyparts now with machete/chainsaws, etc.



it's all about shock and awe in the name of fun.

course I'm 33 years old and have a 12 year old son that plays the same video games I do. call me sick but we both know real from fantasy, and we both enjoy killing each other in online games

Don't blame the video game for bad parenting. If your kid starts shooting people it's the parents fault not the video game.

I play games even worse than this by the way.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by Chovy]

reply to post by Cito


Sorry this post is slightly off topic, but relates to a game :p

Cito, do you play EVE? You either play it or are a fan of it, going by your avatar Someone has just invited me to a 21 day trial and I'm signing up tonight. I've tried the trial before but found it very complicated, but heard Apocrypha is more newbie friendly.

My character is called Aurora XIV (he's in the deletion queue right now, made him look ugly, but I'll recreate him again when he's been terminated).

If you don't play EVE, then disregard everything I said :p

ohh nooo!! boo hooo! video games are violent! but beeing on ats and talking about mutations and body dismemberment is totally cool...you want me to grab an rpg and shoot down hellys outfront my house? or should i do it infront of my tv? where the only trigger i squeeze is the one on my joystick...i dont know u tell me...when the ish hits the fan and all thoose great hours of excercise kick in im gonna be glad i played video games, if anything i will at least know names of guns and get ideas on how to screw my enemy over. and dont get it twisted, video games or no video games if i want to end someones life in any gruesome way that was mentioned in this thread il do it, and yes i will pee on them and kick their head around afterwards, not because i seen it in a video game but purely because i want to and there aint a damn thing anyone can do about it.

reply to post by Skyfloating


S&F for you - not an easy topic to address. I agree with you that some of these games are over the top - seeking to push the boundaries of civility while competing for buyers, though I also agree that these games have consititutional protections. Perhaps in a few more years we will have comprehensive studies performed that can identify the effects of these types of games on our children (mine have Wii - and Star Wars is as violent of a movie as they are allowed to watch...).

if you want a game with demonic flavour, go look up an old ps1 game called tecmo's deception, in this game you get framed for your fathers death and as you burn at the stake you make a deal with satan, you are raised from the dead and givvin control of a mansion that houses the bound essence of satan, you then creat rooms and traps throughout the home in order to lure in adventurers in order to steal their souls to fule your power. the main goal in the game is to find a number of artifacts which when brought together will free satan from his prison and give him dominion. i played this alot, and the only warning i saw was a little blurb on the back about containing satanic references.

all in all a good game though! :p

I wanna know who the hell plays Postal anymore?? lol

Originally posted by dmorgan
reply to post by Cito

 

Sorry this post is slightly off topic, but relates to a game :p

Cito, do you play EVE? You either play it or are a fan of it, going by your avatar

Someone has just invited me to a 21 day trial and I'm signing up tonight. I've tried the trial before but found it very complicated, but heard Apocrypha is more newbie friendly.

My character is called Aurora XIV (he's in the deletion queue right now, made him look ugly, but I'll recreate him again when he's been terminated).

If you don't play EVE, then disregard everything I said :p

Yes indeed little over 2 years in Eve

char name is Ehronn

And yea they did do a lot of renovations to the new char creation and sped up skill training boost until you reach a certain skill point level. So things should be a little easier starting off now.

feel free to evemail me in game or u2u me here if ya have any questions.

I love playing violent games.

These games are not for kids. You should be at least 18 years of age to play these games. This requires parenting.

I do not want to have my enjoyment be diminished because people can't control what their children are doing.

Originally posted by starscape

We make a distinction, based on the fact that we are thinking, feeling people and understand that what we play or watch isn't how it would be in real life.

Perhaps "We" do make a distinction. But not everybody is "we".

A person's reality is based on their day to day environment. We take cues from what we see, who we interact with, and how we interact. We observe what is "normal" behaviour, and we attempt to assimilate by following suit. Such is human nature.

Now if an individual's daily reality comprises of urinating on policeman and using cats as silencers, this will have an impact - depending on the mental stoicness of the individual. Computer game or not, your daily environment that you choose to live in is part of your reality!

And contrary to an earlier post, violent environments - whether they be real or virtual - do lead to some level of desensitization! How much desensitization depends on the state of what can be referred to as our 'personal mental threshold': an individual with a strong mental threshold is less likely to take his/her cues from their regular environment.

Fortunately for most of us, we possess fairly strong mental thresholds whereby we can insulate ourselves to in this case - unpleasant or violent stimuli. However, all mental threshholds are not made equally. And it is indiviuduals who possess lower mental threshholds, that tend to be desenstised and influenced more easily by their given environments.

So whilst "We" can discern what's reality and what's not, and know to act appropriatley in our world, not everyone can. And therefore I think Skyfloating's concerns about unnecessary levels of computer game violence are fully warranted.

Mathematical fundamentals state: the more variables you add to an environment, the greater the magnitude of possible outcomes to that environment. In other words, the more violent material we provide to an environment, the more likely it will come back to bite us.

Skyfloating: kudos to you for posting such a passionately-polarised topic



Oh, and S&F'd


[edit on 25-8-2009 by mckyle]