Originally posted by jhova
Mystery religions deal with sacrifice and sun worship.
Like the Mysteries of Eleusis
, which were centred around Demeter's search for
Persephone? And in which the only sacrifice was that a pig was roasted in what amounts to an ancient Greek beach barbecue? And which barred no-one
(including slaves) except
anyone who had killed another human being?
Or perhaps you mean the Mysteries which were conducted in the catacombs of Rome during the first few decades AD, in which so-called "audientes" were
exposed to bizarre teaching about the undead, were named with odd title of "catechumen" when they had accepted enough of the doctrine, and then were
called "faithful" when they had engaged in a bizzare blood-drinking and flesh-eating ritual? No, wait, that's
Mystery religions have placed many of there pagan beliefs in everyday religious practices.
I hate to bring this up - it is irrelevant to your argument, but please make sure to use "there," "their," and "they're" correctly. (Sorry...
I am studying to be a teacher, and some habits are hard to break).
I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that Christian religious practices engender idolatry? Or perhaps you are talking about
Islam or Judaism, the other two religions usually considered "non-pagan." Muslims would be shocked and dismayed at your assertion that they are
idolaters... Islam is the most strictly monotheistic religion on the planet, to the degree that for a long time many Muslims felt that trinitarian
Christians were polytheists (trinitarianism is
a hard doctrine to come to grips with). Judaism is the original monotheistic desert religion
(not necessarily the first monotheistic faith in the world, mind you)... if this taint of paganism has gripped Judaism, then none of us are safe!
But... if you're so concerned about idolatry, why have you chosen such a provocatively quasi-blasphemous name as "jhova?' I assume you did not do
it merely to shock or annoy.
The pyramid on the us dollar is definitley a link to egypt, especially with the eye of horus or osirus, the egyptian sun-god.
The object to which you refer on the American dollar is not a pyramid. It is a triangle or delta, signifying the Deity. The eye within signifies
that the Deity is omniscient.
The architect, is who the compass (which is at 33degrees) and the bent ruler is symbolic for.
First of all, please capitalise Architect here, because I believe that you must mean the Architect of all Creation, i.e. God. If that is what you
mean, then you are partly correct in saying that the compasses are symbolic for Him, but in the same sense that all objects are sybolic of their
creator. The compasses do not represent God per se
within my lodge, but the mistake is understandable. I assume that by "bent ruler" you
mean a square? Please get the name correct, not only for understanding's sake but also out of respect for your "opponents." Again, the square and
compasses together do not represent God per se
, nor any lesser human architect.
On true masonry cloths, like the ones worn in the eighteen hundreds had sun dials and images of the sun on there sleeves, and paid homage to the light
of the east, where naturally the sun rises.
I'm not sure what you meant by "Masonry colths." At first I thought you meant aprons, but then I read the word sleeves. What does the presence of
sundials or the sun mean, pray tell? There are cartoons of the sun on many Sunkist (tm) product packages, but I'm sure that even the most upset
individual would not claim that it indicates any kind of sun-worship. Let me ask you this, are you advocating a world in which no depictions of the
sun will be allowed?
Sun gods in most beliefs were the keepers of knowledge or arts or religions.
I am curious about this. I have not encountered this. Obviously, you are talking about polytheisms, since you speak of "sun gods." Let's take a
Helios: No, just a god of the sun. Fairly white-bread, didn't do too much interesting.
Shamash: Apparently he provided laws to humanity, but that doesn't seem to be knowledge of arts and religion.
Ra, Amun-Ra, and Atum-Ra all appear to be related more to kingship than knowledge. In fact, from a brief search, I find that Ra was considered to
be unwilling to interact directly with humanity at all.
I could go on, but I'm short on time.
Sometimes there female counterparts, or there wives were worshipped as well.Osirus's counterpart is Isis, the moon goddess.Sometimes, Osirus, or his
Greek counterpart Apollo were shown in statues holding the torch of the light of knowledge, just like the statue of liberty (that was designed by a
Neither Osiris nor Apollo were sun gods. It is a common misconception that Apollo was a sun god, in fact that place in greek mythology was always
held by helios. Apollo was only associated with the sun because of the metaphor that he and his sister Artemis were like the sun and the moon, in
their seperate spheres of influence.
I don't know where the idea that Osiris was a sun god comes from. The sun god is clearly Ra.
The statue of liberty was designed by a French sculptor, Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi.
And the statue of Liberty has a counterpart in France just like it.
What counterpart is that?
We know plenty about mystery religions, and masons claim to have almost identical symbols, ideals, idols, and possibly the sick rituals that go on in
I make no such claim and know of no Mason who does.
The cultures of meso america and south america also worshipped the sun, the mayans, aztecs, olmecs.
These polytheistic cultures worshipped many aspects of the physical world. To claim they worshipped only the sun is demeaning.
They also built pyramids with cult like numerical meanings like our dollar bill, which was designed by a freemason.
Numerical meanings are cult-like? Are the song "One is the Lonliest Number," (sung by THREE Dog Night!!!) or the sitcom "Three's Company," tools
Neither of the men who designed the dollar bill were Freemasons. Benjamin Franklin was one, but he did no design work (see link above)