Originally posted by Kandinsky

Originally posted by win 52
Interesting read...........

I have no info one way or the other about this. It is interesting to hear about cover up's, worldwide, and the fact people are taking notice.

Other than this is in-part steps on the stairway to full disclosure. When we learn about our past, we will find the path way into the future.

Interesting times.........

Friend, have you read the thread? There is enough info to come to an informed opinion. If you encourage the spread of a story that claims three species of white native on NZ (pygmy, giant and 'normal'), you're acting as a cat's paw for people that don't want 'disclosure.'

In fact, they want the opposite...they want to seed the ideas that whites are superior in intelligence, technology and society to any other people. The 'red-haired' legends are usually sourced to people that can't or won't accept that S.Americans could build their own monuments or that Giza wasn't built by black guys. Those websites in this thread are coming from a very dark place and your 'path into the future' would be repatriation of non-whites...violence and bigotry. And one thing people always seem to ignore? The shoe could be on the other foot. I ******* hate racists of any color.

Tibet, Stonehenge, Giza, Macchu Pichu...four great places built by four different colored peoples. Four flavors of the Human Race.

are you serious? or are you paid to do this sort of thing?

because your assertions are ridiculous. the indigenous cultures themselves will tell you that there white people were there before. The virachocha of peru were white. with red hair often. white mummies were found in china (you may track them down in the museum and SEE them if you like). and new zealand. and the marquesas in the pacific. and north america. (this DOESNT mean the white people who were there or visited were in any way superior to the other peoples living in these places. BUT IT DOES MEAN that they WERE THERE.) Im sorry if you dont like it or think its racist; but im afraid that based on the evidence its the truth. there were even a few white skinned peruvians there when the spanish came. and there's ample evidence in native legends and articles/finds of giant skeletons all over the world.

i think bringing in charges of racism to cover up the truth about history is pathetic quite frankly.

i also fail to see how a race of aliens that came 'from the sky' (often the race is said to come 'from the sky' so perhaps they are not even human) can be in any way racist. its hilarious, if it wasnt so disturbing that people can think in this absurd manner.

but anyway, im sick of arguing with people who clearly cant be reasoned with, so im not going to get drawn anymore. let the insanity continue.

This is what Thor Heyerdahl was trying to prove (that white people built everything and taught people to be civilized). He was, by the way, a Nazi sympathizer. Which as far as academic bias goes, is up at the top of the list. Why do some people want to prove these things, anyway?

If there's evidence for Caucasoid remains in places where they are not expected, I certainly wouldn't be surprised. There is lots of evidence for Pre-Columbian exploration. What I know you won't find real evidence for, is the racist idea that "white gods brought civilization to the savages" that Thor Heyerdahl was so determined to prove. That's what I think people would be offended by.

Originally posted by djusdjus
Here's why:

If you knew that there was a definite chance of the world ending tomorrow because your history shows you how it has happened time and again.
From where would you draw your motivation to be a citizen? to go to work? to raise a family? to believe there is a bright future for yourself or your family.

If everyone actually KNEW what random creatures we were and how fragile we were and how we've been utterly destroyed.

Do you think anyone would care about poverty? aids? cancer? war?

no body would give a darn about anything and societies everywhere would collapse, power would dissolve and we would all kill each other off in a chaotic frenzy to maintain personal territory and access to food and water while we waited out our final days.

The mind is everything. If we shape what the mind is, we shape what our world is. Part of that includes feeding milk to babies and meat to the strong.

the uninitiated would surely self destruct upon knowing, and that is why you have keepers of secret knowledge, the ignorant who scurry about and the yearners, who want to know, but don't really want to be initiated into knowing.

This place is filled with yearners. A yearner has a chaotic mind. It wishes that some external thing will come along and solve all his or her problems for them.

I personally would rather be ignorant. Unfortunately, I can't even have that having been an initiate.


anyway, just saying...



[edit on 8-8-2009 by djusdjus]

I think true history has the ability to help future societies learn from the past mistakes. A positive attitude is what keeps us all getting up and making the world a better place. The manipulators of the truth about our historical past are doing it for a power rush. These people are disfunctional, books about manipulators can be found at amazon.com. Basically, these people feel anxious and scared so they create confusion by lying, and this gives them a sense of power which helps them deal with their insecurities and fears.

They honestly believe that destroying and hiding the true facts means it didn't happen... Sorry folks, reality is reality. Like it or not.

Someone really needs to research the ideas presented in this thread and write a good book with photographs of the sacred archeological finds that are disappearing. Remember some of us can't just drop everything and visit the new tourist destination of world history, but would really love to see it and hear about it. Self publish if you have to, but start getting the information out helps reveal the truth and preserve our world history for the future generations. The future generations can benefit and build on the past for a better world or greater understanding. I promise to buy a copy of the book. Remember to load it up with all the juicy drama and details about the government cover ups of the truth! Someone could also write an entertaining and enlightening book about the Smithsonian and it's diabolical cover ups! Actually, it all sounds like a good movie script too!

How dare you compare the Aboriginals of Australia to the Maori of New Zealand (comparing a 60,000 year old culture to one of barely 200 years old is nothing short of pathetic) and you have missed one very important point... Maori are not Indigenous or Aboriginal to New Zealand.
The whole of New Zealand could do with accepting this undeniable fact as this would alleviate a lot of the problems New Zealnd faces, both politically and socially.
Can anyone explain to me how the below extract taken from the resource management act was allowed to be passed ??? How can the non-indigenous/non-aboriginal people of New Zealand have the power bestowed upon them to do as they please with the Archeological discoveries of this country that have nothing whatsoever to do with them or their culture... who is the numbskull that allowed this to happen and why is allowed to continue to happen ? Respect of any given culture is a two way street... if you cant show it then dont expect to receive it (Mr John Hatfield, aka Hone Harawira, Walking Eagle... you misguided, ignorant and monumentally racist moron !!!).

"FNTXT:0-86472-088-2:6.3:7}7 Maori antiquities were defined in the Act as "Maori relics, articles manufactured with ancient Maori tools and according to Maori methods, and all other articles or things of historical or scientific value or interest and relating to New Zealand."

This is not only insulting to the majority of New Zealanders but borders on being criminal... If artifacts, sites, remains etc. are not of Maori culture or history then you have to wonder why the hell you would leave the question of what do we do with this up to them... this is a clear example of racism actually being underwritten into our countries laws/legislation.
The question of WHY there is a cover-up (not IF) could be explained by the fact that there is a derelict village set up at the access point to the site in question (D.O.C. land, I might just point out) and why do the inhabitants of this resort to leaving intimidating and threatening notes on vehicles of people who decide to explore this public land ?
Are the local Maori just a bit uppity about a white man that has the audacity to enter into there supposed lands (entirely possible) or is there a bigger and more sinister reason for it.
Govenments do not place an embrago on archeological findings for no reason, they place them because the findings would be disruptive to the founding constitutions of the country, the simple unabashed truth and respect of cultures relating to these findings is irrelevant for them as decades of legislation and law has been written around the falsities that are purpetuated throughout the education system and society in general.
It makes me nauseous to think that this could happen in this country and is a mark of shame that will forever be with this countries history.
All political, racial or personal agendas aside... the facts are the facts and if archeoligical work undertaken that proves our perception of this countries history is incorrect is ignored or hindered in any way whatsoever then the Maori people themselves and our government should feel a great shame and embarresment at what has been allowed to happen.
If certain people are so sure of their entitlements and privelages that are based on them supposedly being indigenous or aboriginal to this country then why dont we all just let the research happen, let the findings be made public and then we can move forward as one big happy nation :-)... (that question was of course rhetorical).
To the majority of New Zealanders out there... WAKE UP ! and to the majority of Maori out there... MAN UP ! what are you fighting so hard to conceal ???

there have been many "ARCHAEOLOGICAL COVERUP"s

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for more people to read it that missed it the first time